Not to be a tight ass but just wanted to correct that Tim Duncan has 4 NBA championships.Don said:
Brock Lesnar is a fucking disgrace
- Thread starter dj1470
- Start date
Nope, not true at all. Brock got a slap on the wrist and did his mea culpas afterwards - including drinking a Bud Light at the news conference. Overall, he did more to generate interest in the UFC than he did to hurt it. PPV buy rates are more important to advertisers than anything and Brock is gold when it comes to that. However, if he does that sort of thing again, that's another story...Thousand said:
I don't feel one bit sorry for Brock Lesnar - he's got fame, millions of dollars and most importantly his family, friends and loved ones. He plays a role (villain) as a way of maximizing his earnings, so I'll never begrudge him that. He's a bit of a dick and a nutjob, but he fights for a living, so what do we really expect from him? Brock's crazy like a fox. Like Dana White, Lesnar has learned from Vince McMahon and knows that this is a business.Thousand said:
Brock Lesnar chose his path and is comfortable with it. Really, what else would he be doing right now if it weren't for MMA? Wrestling coach/Olympic wrestler? WWE? Back on the farm?
The Coors Light incident will soon be forgiven and forgotten by Bud Light and Lesnar will go back to drawing 1 million + PPV buys. Everyone will be happy except for the "purist" (note sarcasm) MMA fans who don't really give a shit about the long-term physical and financial health of the fighters anyway.
This article is pretty much dead on:
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/9798494/Lesnar-loves-being-UFC's-biggest-villain
"I'm used to selling pay-per-view and tickets," a subdued Lesnar said. "I come from a business that's purely entertainment."
As much as he doesn't want to admit it, so does [Dana] White.
...
White ripped Lesnar's actions for the obvious reasons. First and foremost, UFC needed to appease its business partner. White also wanted to counter critics who now have more ammunition to argue that UFC shouldn't be accepted as a mainstream sport.
But deep down inside, how couldn't White love it? Lesnar's tricks appeal to the pro wrestling fans he brought with him from WWE. Lesnar haters will pay for future shows to see who can make him eat his words.
Lesnar is someone that many people love to hate. And that's good for business.
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/9798494/Lesnar-loves-being-UFC's-biggest-villain
"I'm used to selling pay-per-view and tickets," a subdued Lesnar said. "I come from a business that's purely entertainment."
As much as he doesn't want to admit it, so does [Dana] White.
...
White ripped Lesnar's actions for the obvious reasons. First and foremost, UFC needed to appease its business partner. White also wanted to counter critics who now have more ammunition to argue that UFC shouldn't be accepted as a mainstream sport.
But deep down inside, how couldn't White love it? Lesnar's tricks appeal to the pro wrestling fans he brought with him from WWE. Lesnar haters will pay for future shows to see who can make him eat his words.
Lesnar is someone that many people love to hate. And that's good for business.
How about all of that trash-talking by Frank Mir leading up to the fight? At least Brock Lesnar kept his mouth quiet until the fight was over. Brock Lesnar taught Frank Mir a lesson, plain and simple.dj1470 said:
Don't you think he could have earned more by playing a face instead of a heel? I am sure he would have earn much more corporate sponsorships if he doesn't act like a villian. The thing that Brock didn't get until Dana told him was that UFC is a sponsorship-driven business, which is very different from WWE. This is why Dana made Brock apologize for his after-fight antic--especially about not drinking Bud Light. It's all about corporate sponsorships.Captain Fantastic said:
As for the fame and money he got. It's a really bad combination, especially now that he is famous for being a real life heel. I don't think anyone smart enough would want to be in his shoe right now.
As Wilt Chamberlain said, "Nobody roots for Goliath."Thousand said:
That's why he'll never be a "face." But make no mistake, he will get sponsorships from those who want to be associated with "edgy" - just like Allen Iverson, Steve Austin, X-Games athletes, etc.
Brock's not a likeable guy. He is the stereotypical jock - barely articulate and certainly unsophisticated, a bully and a bit of an ass. Vince McMahon taught him - accidentally or on purpose - how to use what he does have (size, dominance, dickhead/asshole tendencies) to make money. And that's what he does - for himself and his bosses.
I never disagreed that what he said re: Bud Light was going to piss people off and could lead to trouble down the road - that was his one allowable mistake when it comes to messing with sponsors. But the rest of the stuff - dissing Mir, flipping off the fans, talking about "getting on" his [hot] wife - is all money for him and the UFC - that's why Dana will give him a couple of chances. Brock's a loose cannon, but he's also smart enough to know never to disrespect sponsors again.
Fedor is mentally tougher than Lesnar who's too reliant on intimidation. Kurt Angle, who holds a freestyle wrestling win over Lesnar, has said that he can be a loose cannon.The Oracle said:
Ok he did go overboard a bit, but it's good for ratings! At least he's changing his style and not doing those stupid dinky rapid 2" punches. Brock just layed on top of Mir and POUNDED him. He's only gonna get better. What I want to see is a fight between him and Kimbo Slice! Obviously we know that Fedor would destroy them both.
Kurt Angle and Brock only wrestled in an exhibition when they both worked for WWE and Lesnar was still quite young and green, while Angle was an Olympic Gold medallist (way tougher than being an NCAA champion.) However by all accounts Kurt, who is/was 50lbs lighter than Lesnar, did have the upper hand in their rolling session.Insidious Von said:
Why? Kimbo has no ground skills and a questionable chin. He's going to have a hard time in TUF 10.nosidam said:
That being said I personally think Kimbo showed a lot of balls to agree to be on the show. He has so much to lose. He could have made easy money in Japan, but instead took up the challenge to become a better, legitimate and "respectable" MMA fighter. Kudos to Kevin Ferguson for trying.
I agree, but that depends on your definition of mental toughness. Both put themselves through gruelling training regimens and work very hard at their craft. It's just that Fedor's been through much more as a fighter and a person and has a calm "been there, done that" demeanour that goes hand-in-hand with his background, spirituality and most importantly, experience.Insidious Von said:
I'm a huge, long-time Fedor fan since the Rings Japan days, but I'm not 100% sure Fedor would destroy Brock, particularly in a cage in the UFC. He would probably win by pulling out a sick armbar or catching Lesnar on the button with that killer right, but Brock's wrestling, quickness, strength and balance are otherworldly and will cause problems with EVERYONE he faces.nosidam said:
Kimbo Slice? I'd give him less than 60 seconds with Fedor, even after two years of training with Greg Jackson, Xtreme Couture, ATT and AKA. He simply doesn't have a base in any fighting style to build upon - other than "Street-Fu."
Well not for mejeezy said:
I have always loved the martial arts and the discipline it creates and entails and when someone disrespects that I get angry
I don't take soccer seriously and I think there are people out there who would disagree with me and think soccer is a life or death struggle
I partly agree with Tiffany, Dana White has more need to be more professional than Brock does. I met Dana in Montreal (my hotel room was next door to his), he was very respectful and well spoken, no fucks at all. So the cursing is essentially all an act, he is capable of talking like a normal person, the fucks are a schtick. I would rather he didn't, but perhaps it is smart marketing.
I am also concerned about them underpaying the fighters. It looks bad when they can not get Fedor, and when Roger Huerta is on the cover of SI, then quits UFC to be a model. I do not like the way baseball players are overpaid, but there is a happy medium for UFC to find.
I am also concerned about them underpaying the fighters. It looks bad when they can not get Fedor, and when Roger Huerta is on the cover of SI, then quits UFC to be a model. I do not like the way baseball players are overpaid, but there is a happy medium for UFC to find.
I agree and I think I'm gonna take a break from watching UFC for a while. I just find it getting boring and with Brock giving fans the finger and disrespecting the sport it makes me sick. Come on, hammer fists to win a fight? Looks more like he was sitting beatin off.lol
Brock=boring
GSP is looking more like Tito by just GnPing opponents (I hated watching Tito fight)....boring
Spider seems to be bored and have the fights go all the way to "try" put on a show...boring
I'm taking a break from UFC.
Brock=boring
GSP is looking more like Tito by just GnPing opponents (I hated watching Tito fight)....boring
Spider seems to be bored and have the fights go all the way to "try" put on a show...boring
I'm taking a break from UFC.
I think Brock's adrenalin got the best of him on Saturday night and he fell back into pro wrestling mode. Apparently he came out after the PPV ended and apologized to the crowd at the Mandalay Bay for his actions.
I've spoken to a few fighters and to a man they enjoy the sport because it gives them an opportunity to compete against another man in one of the most pure ways possible. They certainly don't do it for the money. It's ok to say what you like before hand but after the fight is over it's expected that you congratulate your opponent and thank him for the opportunity to compete.
Brock violated this code but I'm told you realized he screwed up and tried to make amends. However, he has not always conducted himself in an honourable way. As a pro wrestler I don't believe he was popular among his colleagues, especially after he beat up an older, much smaller Arn Anderson while drinking on a road trip in Europe a number of years ago.
I've spoken to a few fighters and to a man they enjoy the sport because it gives them an opportunity to compete against another man in one of the most pure ways possible. They certainly don't do it for the money. It's ok to say what you like before hand but after the fight is over it's expected that you congratulate your opponent and thank him for the opportunity to compete.
Brock violated this code but I'm told you realized he screwed up and tried to make amends. However, he has not always conducted himself in an honourable way. As a pro wrestler I don't believe he was popular among his colleagues, especially after he beat up an older, much smaller Arn Anderson while drinking on a road trip in Europe a number of years ago.
I watched the fight and if people are dumping on him why NOT stand up for yourself?dj1470 said:
Mir showed him respect? When? When he said Lesnar hits like his sister?
he's not a hockey player by any chance, is he?guyroch said:
personally, I didn't care for the antics, but more interested in the fight. He did awesome.
