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Brian Stelter CLAIMS Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo NOT Opinion Hosts

bver_hunter

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I guess you havent watch MSNBC........or most of the CNN coverage either.

Its a two way street. Please stop stating the partisanship is only for the GOP by Fox News or that they somehow do it more. The Media have chosen sides. Starting way back.

That is the real fact.
Put on your listening ears for once. Of course ALL THE MEDIA have a BIAS towards one party or the other. There are very rare exceptions to the list. What I pointed out was how biased Fox News hosts Hannity and Pirro are in actually campaigning on Trump's political platform.

Point out any CNN and MSNBC hosts who did the same and name the parties that they did to??

You just defend all the right wing media and Trump in all your debates now that Sanders is water under the bridge, with respect to the nominations.
Have to yet see you support any of his recent political beliefs!!
 

Butler1000

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Put on your listening ears for once. Of course ALL THE MEDIA have a BIAS towards one party or the other. There are very rare exceptions to the list. What I pointed out was how biased Fox News hosts Hannity and Pirro are in actually campaigning on Trump's political platform.

Point out any CNN and MSNBC hosts who did the same and name the parties that they did to??

You just defend all the right wing media and Trump in all your debates now that Sanders is water under the bridge, with respect to the nominations.
Have to yet see you support any of his recent political beliefs!!
Sanders hasnt changed his political beliefs. He is just choosing harm reduction. The best you can say about Biden is he is Methadone to a Heroin addict. Maybe. I think you are just trading one harmful drug for another.

Your obsession with political figures as opposed to policy is your problem. Biden is the architect of many of the problems that made people want to vote for Trump. And refuses to admit it. Why trust the guy who created all the legislation that needs to be removed to make things better?

I dont see how showing up on a stage is any different than a soft ball interview or nightly tirades. Its all using a platform to support a party or candidate. There is no degree. Either you are impartial or a biased commentator. Ciomo and Lemon are biased commentators. Its that simple
 

Butler1000

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Trash Trump?? Have still to come across one video where Hill Rising trashes Trump. That is why I asked you to post one where they do so!!
All I see out of them is to thrash the people who trash Trump and then they go on to trash Biden!!
Accept that fact for once!!
Several of them. Saager does it. And Krystal does it in her comments all the time. As well as both party leaderships.

You want your fix go to Maddow.
 

bver_hunter

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Sanders hasnt changed his political beliefs. He is just choosing harm reduction. The best you can say about Biden is he is Methadone to a Heroin addict. Maybe. I think you are just trading one harmful drug for another.

Your obsession with political figures as opposed to policy is your problem. Biden is the architect of many of the problems that made people want to vote for Trump. And refuses to admit it. Why trust the guy who created all the legislation that needs to be removed to make things better?

I dont see how showing up on a stage is any different than a soft ball interview or nightly tirades. Its all using a platform to support a party or candidate. There is no degree. Either you are impartial or a biased commentator. Ciomo and Lemon are biased commentators. Its that simple
Why do you blame Biden for everything that is occurring in American politics?? If Biden is so called "addicted" to Methadone and Heroin, then Trump is addicted to "Bleach Vaccinations". OMG, you are displaying your hatred for Biden with really no logical explanations as to why it is Biden, who under Obama steered an economy that was in a nosedive, and yet this Trump dude takes the credit for all the growth that he subsequently inherited. If Biden is the "architect" of so many problems, then they are being compounded under this administration. Look at the records of civil unrest, and the very pathetic response to this Covid-19 from the most powerful and affluent nation on this planet. It is extremely pathetic, and how can someone like you not comprehend this very basic fact is beyond belief!!

You support Trump, by trying to justify that Biden is the bad guy. Do you care for any of Canada's interests in this role that this disastrous President called Trump is playing? Either you are loyal to Canada or Trump, and it not only seems but is crystal clear that it is the latter!!

You are really a Trump supporter in the manner in which Hannity and Pirro broke all the journalists basic ethics in doing what they did. Yet you keep on making excuses rather than denouncing such behaviour. No way that you would see Cuomo or Lemon doing the same to Biden's platform. Period and give up with a debate that you are wrong!!
 

bver_hunter

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Several of them. Saager does it. And Krystal does it in her comments all the time. As well as both party leaderships.

You want your fix go to Maddow.

You are laughable if you think that Krystal and Saagar have real balanced arguments. Post one link where they do so!!

I would rather watch Maddow then these two clowns!!
 

Butler1000

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You are laughable if you think that Krystal and Saagar have real balanced arguments. Post one link where they do so!!

I would rather watch Maddow then these two clowns!!
And on this i rest my case......
 

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Why do you blame Biden for everything that is occurring in American politics?? If Biden is so called "addicted" to Methadone and Heroin, then Trump is addicted to "Bleach Vaccinations". OMG, you are displaying your hatred for Biden with really no logical explanations as to why it is Biden, who under Obama steered an economy that was in a nosedive, and yet this Trump dude takes the credit for all the growth that he subsequently inherited. If Biden is the "architect" of so many problems, then they are being compounded under this administration. Look at the records of civil unrest, and the very pathetic response to this Covid-19 from the most powerful and affluent nation on this planet. It is extremely pathetic, and how can someone like you not comprehend this very basic fact is beyond belief!!

You support Trump, by trying to justify that Biden is the bad guy. Do you care for any of Canada's interests in this role that this disastrous President called Trump is playing? Either you are loyal to Canada or Trump, and it not only seems but is crystal clear that it is the latter!!

You are really a Trump supporter in the manner in which Hannity and Pirro broke all the journalists basic ethics in doing what they did. Yet you keep on making excuses rather than denouncing such behaviour. No way that you would see Cuomo or Lemon doing the same to Biden's platform. Period and give up with a debate that you are wrong!!
butler is an accelerationist.
He wants the US to be destroyed in the hopes that some left wing, Sanders lead, utopia comes to pass.
So he backs Trump to destroy the country the fastest.
And ignores that the boogaloo boys are the only ones who want the US destroyed with him.
 
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Valcazar

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Ok. What do the polls say about Congress's approval rating and how they are governing? And how do they compare historically to other decades?

Another one I saw. 60% of Americans think the two party system is no longer working.

So when I say the system is bad, both parties are bad, and hard systemic changes need to be made, it comes from a good understanding of American Politics.
No. it comes from a bad, superficial understanding of American politics. You agreeing with everyone isn't a profound insight. What comes out of that is what requires understanding and you've demonstrated again and again you just aren't equipped for it.
When the Canadian election comes around I guess we will see if your understanding is as shallow for the country you live in.

And what's about to happen in the next 7 weeks is very likely to be the final proof.
How?
What do you mean?
Be specific.
What will happen and what will it prove?
 

Valcazar

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As for the Hill: Rising -- we could just put up the next episode here and then look at it and discuss what K&S are doing.
 

Butler1000

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No. it comes from a bad, superficial understanding of American politics. You agreeing with everyone isn't a profound insight. What comes out of that is what requires understanding and you've demonstrated again and again you just aren't equipped for it.
When the Canadian election comes around I guess we will see if your understanding is as shallow for the country you live in.



How?
What do you mean?
Be specific.
What will happen and what will it prove?
You think congress is doing a good job?

Yup. Thats what I thought. Keep trying. You might actually figure it out. You are completely bamboozled. Or profiting.
 

bver_hunter

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You think congress is doing a good job?

Yup. Thats what I thought. Keep trying. You might actually figure it out. You are completely bamboozled. Or profiting.
You think that The Senate and this President are doing a good job?? One day all the facts will be revealed for you to fully open your eyes!!

Glad you have taken down the signature reference to you being a Bernie Sanders supporter!!
 

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You think that The Senate and this President are doing a good job?? One day all the facts will be revealed for you to fully open your eyes!!

Glad you have taken down the signature reference to you being a Bernie Sanders supporter!!
Congress includes the Senate. And no, no of them are doing a good job. This is why you are laughable.

I can criticize all of them, both parties, because I'm not a partisan stooge. You cant. You are incapable of being objective.
 

bver_hunter

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Congress includes the Senate. And no, no of them are doing a good job. This is why you are laughable.

I can criticize all of them, both parties, because I'm not a partisan stooge. You cant. You are incapable of being objective.
Where did I say that the Congress did not include both Chambers?? I was being more precise about the part of the Congress called The Senate, rather than vague like you as you no doubt in all your posts seem to target just The Democrats. Well since when have you criticized the Republicans to the same extent as the Democrats?? 99% of your posts attack The Democrats and Biden. You are a partisan stooge in that manner, just admit it and it is hilarious when you pretend not to be so!! These Republicans are the most corrupt part of Congress especially the Senate. The manner in which they co-ordinate with Trump in underhand dealings is something that needs tp be uncovered. Even the election results maybe disputed in a very partisan Supreme Court especially if the Supreme Court nominee is approved by the Senate!!
 

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Where did I say that the Congress did not include both Chambers?? I was being more precise about the part of the Congress called The Senate, rather than vague like you as you no doubt in all your posts seem to target just The Democrats. Well since when have you criticized the Republicans to the same extent as the Democrats?? 99% of your posts attack The Democrats and Biden. You are a partisan stooge in that manner, just admit it and it is hilarious when you pretend not to be so!! These Republicans are the most corrupt part of Congress especially the Senate. The manner in which they co-ordinate with Trump in underhand dealings is something that needs tp be uncovered. Even the election results maybe disputed in a very partisan Supreme Court especially if the Supreme Court nominee is approved by the Senate!!
To butler, McConnell's graveyard is a bipartisan failure.
To butler, SC decisions are a bipartisan failure.
To butler, Trump's coronavirus failure is a bipartisan failure.

 
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silentkisser

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I'm not going to bother to read the entire thread, but Cuomo and Lemon are not opinion hosts. They do editorialize a bit, but they don't just spot nonsense like Hannity, Carlson and Ingram. They actually have real news without opinion in their shows. Cuomo and Lemon do not advise Joe Biden, appear at his rallies, speak with him frequently, or give him softball interviews where they talk about how great he is.

They are also not as opinionated as, say, Rachel Maddow or Chris Hayes on MSNBC.
 

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I'm not going to bother to read the entire thread, but Cuomo and Lemon are not opinion hosts. They do editorialize a bit, but they don't just spot nonsense like Hannity, Carlson and Ingram. They actually have real news without opinion in their shows. Cuomo and Lemon do not advise Joe Biden, appear at his rallies, speak with him frequently, or give him softball interviews where they talk about how great he is.

They are also not as opinionated as, say, Rachel Maddow or Chris Hayes on MSNBC.
A television set is a like a Rorschach test for TERB members. All looking at the same thing, and seeing something totally different.
 
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