Boy Drowned On School Outing
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Yeah, I heard the interview. It sounded like it was the kid who was drowning was trying to hang on to his friend, and thereby pulling him under as well.
The only fish that I know of who can drag somebody under water is a large catfish. I've actually seen people do this in southern US, its called "noodling" down there. They try to catch fish with their hands, but if a very large catfish gets a hold of you it can suck you down and you will drown.
I'm not saying thats what happened here, but I suppose its possible
Noodling: http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/water-sports/noodling3.htm
I'm not saying thats what happened here, but I suppose its possible
Noodling: http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/water-sports/noodling3.htm
A 15 year old kid still isn't that big so I wouldn't rule that out.
Why is the lake call Big Trout Lake? Are the trouts there really that big?
I highly doubt a fish pulled the kid under. It was more likely a case of being a poor swimmer and not wearing a life jacket.
I agree. I canoed on the lake eons ago, and can say with certainty, unless it was a SCUBA bear, wildlife and undertow would have a nominal impact on this situation as I've heard it described. Water levels are up, but that's still beaver fever territory. I recall having to portage in.
Super sad, but the accident report will be interesting. 6:1 ratio of campers to staff is very high, and if the students were supervised, they were being supervised by a trained lifeguard. Even with 35 students in the water, it's disappointing nobody on land or in the water (seemingly) noticed it happening. A classmate said the swim was after a long day of canoeing so exhaustion? I wonder what footwear he had on. Lightweight hikers or wet Timberland workboots?
It's a total tragedy, regardless. I sure hope it doesn't change TDSB policy on this kind of outing. Maybe mandatory life jackets around the water or more intensive scruitiny during "swim tests."
I really feel for all the staff involved, in addition to the poor kid's family.
So sad.
Oh yes they sure are Skyrider! Why do you think they call it BIG Trout Lake?
As you and Phil both know, the most common cause of drowning in Ontario is being dragged under the water by a fish. Many, many children have been swallowed by viscious freshwater trout, only to be spit out and found a few days later. in fact, there is a black market for small children that asians use for bait when fishing in Ontario.
Both of you should get in touch with the authourities investigating this drowning and share your insight...
Too bad there wasn't a brave Sikh warrior to throw him his beard and pull him to safety!
Maybe neither catfish or big trout can be ruled out.
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The classmate of a Toronto teen who drowned during a school trip in Algonquin Park said he felt something pull on his legs while he was swimming.
Search and rescue divers pulled the body of 15-year-old Jeremiah Perry out of Big Trout Lake just before 3:30 p.m. Wednesday after scouring the waters all day, said Ontario Provincial Police.
Boran Balci told Global News that a group of students including him and Perry had gone for a dip on Tuesday when he felt "hands" pull him down.
"I didn't think it was Jeremiah. It was oily skin. It was like fish," he said.
But then he noticed that his classmate was missing. No one, including the lifeguard on duty, could find Perry, who wasn't wearing a lifejacket, Balci told Global.
There would have been three lifeguards watching the boy and the 22 other students swimming in Big Trout Lake at the time, according to Toronto District School Board spokeswoman Shari Schwartz-Maltz. All students on the trip were also required to pass a swimming test.
"How is that possible for him to drown right in front of three lifeguards?" Perry's stepmother, Jennifer Anderson, said in an interview with CTV News Toronto.
The teen's father told CTV that neither Jeremiah nor his older brother, who was also on the trip, knew how to swim.
Balci said he remembers being taken to Sparrow Lake near Gravenhurst, Ont. for a swim test a few weeks ago, but couldn't remember what it included, reported CBC News.
The "quite strict" test involved water safety, laps and some underwater endurance, Schwartz-Maltz told the Toronto Star.
She added that six adults — four outdoor education specialists and two teachers — accompanied the 33 students on the trip, said CBC. The ratio on such outings is usually 15-to-1.
"We need to talk to the kids, we need to talk to the teachers, we need to talk to the leaders," she said on CBC's Metro Morning. "And we need to find out what we did right, whether there are any lessons to be learned and then all that will determine future trips."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/07/06/jeremiah-perrys-classmate_a_23019786/
The classmate of a Toronto teen who drowned during a school trip in Algonquin Park said he felt something pull on his legs while he was swimming.
Search and rescue divers pulled the body of 15-year-old Jeremiah Perry out of Big Trout Lake just before 3:30 p.m. Wednesday after scouring the waters all day, said Ontario Provincial Police.
Boran Balci told Global News that a group of students including him and Perry had gone for a dip on Tuesday when he felt "hands" pull him down.
"I didn't think it was Jeremiah. It was oily skin. It was like fish," he said.
But then he noticed that his classmate was missing. No one, including the lifeguard on duty, could find Perry, who wasn't wearing a lifejacket, Balci told Global.
There would have been three lifeguards watching the boy and the 22 other students swimming in Big Trout Lake at the time, according to Toronto District School Board spokeswoman Shari Schwartz-Maltz. All students on the trip were also required to pass a swimming test.
"How is that possible for him to drown right in front of three lifeguards?" Perry's stepmother, Jennifer Anderson, said in an interview with CTV News Toronto.
The teen's father told CTV that neither Jeremiah nor his older brother, who was also on the trip, knew how to swim.
Balci said he remembers being taken to Sparrow Lake near Gravenhurst, Ont. for a swim test a few weeks ago, but couldn't remember what it included, reported CBC News.
The "quite strict" test involved water safety, laps and some underwater endurance, Schwartz-Maltz told the Toronto Star.
She added that six adults — four outdoor education specialists and two teachers — accompanied the 33 students on the trip, said CBC. The ratio on such outings is usually 15-to-1.
"We need to talk to the kids, we need to talk to the teachers, we need to talk to the leaders," she said on CBC's Metro Morning. "And we need to find out what we did right, whether there are any lessons to be learned and then all that will determine future trips."
Can't rule out the Loch Ness Monster, Bigffot or Big Pharma either...
but seriously, I KNOW pretty much all the types of water bodies and fish in Ontario and there is no way at all that any creature pulled this boy under. And especially not any trout or BOTTOM feeding catfish! Largest trout in Ontario is the Lake Trout. Even at 40lbs it's mouth is not big enough and it has teeth, not slimy like the other kid said. And we don't have catfish as big as they have in the southern usa and neithe rof these fish are top feeders, nor do they feed on anything the size of a human!
most probable cause is simple drowning. Happens to many people that know how to swim.
but seriously, I KNOW pretty much all the types of water bodies and fish in Ontario and there is no way at all that any creature pulled this boy under. And especially not any trout or BOTTOM feeding catfish! Largest trout in Ontario is the Lake Trout. Even at 40lbs it's mouth is not big enough and it has teeth, not slimy like the other kid said. And we don't have catfish as big as they have in the southern usa and neithe rof these fish are top feeders, nor do they feed on anything the size of a human!
most probable cause is simple drowning. Happens to many people that know how to swim.
You mean you don't believe my answer that a big trout ate a little boy in Big Trout Lake?
You are way smarterer than me for sure! And as a fierce Sikh Warrior in one of your previous lives, you are much b********** too. But I gotta say that I feel sorry for you having to be reincarnated frombeing a Sikh Warrior to being an internet schlub. Either as Blackcock or your latest incarnation as SkyRider.
Us guys were having a nice conversation until you showed up. Stop being so immature.
He's been drinking tonight.
Give it another hour or two and he'll be passed out on his keyboard :biggrin1:
Give it another hour or two and he'll be passed out on his keyboard :biggrin1:
I grew up in that area and never heard of such a thing.
In rivers you could get caught in the undertow/current. In lakes you could get tangled in weeds, or slip off an edge and get tangled on underwater tree roots. Other than that there are no living aquatic creatures that will pull you under.
If you are not a strong swimmer, wear a life jacket. You may feel like you look like a goof, but better to be laughed at than mourned for.
