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Without the pressure of having to compete for a post-season berth, Vlad Jr can now concentrate on what he does best - amassing personal statistics in games and situations which don't matter much in the bigger picture.

I'm with Philip on the home run jacket debate. To me, it's like when you see some guy strut around after hitting a home run in pitch-to-your-own-team beer league mixed softball.
 

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Without the pressure of having to compete for a post-season berth, Vlad Jr can now concentrate on what he does best - amassing personal statistics in games and situations which don't matter much in the bigger picture.

I'm with Philip on the home run jacket debate. To me, it's like when you see some guy strut around after hitting a home run in pitch-to-your-own-team beer league mixed softball.
How many have been better than he? He's been way better than Springer, Bo, Varsho, Turner, Kirk, Kiermayer, Jansen et. al. Probably their best position player even though he's playingbelow potential. If we had a roster of Vlads, we'd be in 1st place.
 

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Tough night for the Jays...On the bright side. Two more hits for Vladdy. He looks great at the plate these days. Love the haircut on him. He'd look even better in pinstripes...
 
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DHCMT-M4 otherwise known as turinabol is readily available through the black market. Relatively easy to get.

Tainted supplements are a real thing as well. I guess it falls to the level of the banned substance found in the sample taken. Jon Jones got busted for turinabol as well but it turned out the sample was positive for an amount measured in picograms. Which wasn't near high enough to give an athletic advantage.

Best way to evade all this is just not to take any supplements or only those that are approved by the organization you are competing for.

Shack beat me to it.

This guys taking PED's knowing god damn well they are getting them, and already have their excuse planned if they get caught. All they have to do is show the team trainers what they want to take or only take what the club gives them personally. No need to go beyond that unless your planning on taking something illegal and shouldn't be taking.
 

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How many have been better than he? He's been way better than Springer, Bo, Varsho, Turner, Kirk, Kiermayer, Jansen et. al. Probably their best position player even though he's playingbelow potential. If we had a roster of Vlads, we'd be in 1st place.

I think your totally missing the point here.
 

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Now they've expressed interest to his agent...
Houston wants Vlad as much as the Yanks

Trade him as he is gone after next year and Jays will be a pretender again next year but
year after that with all the new talent emerging if we trade everyone this year
we will rise like the Orioles have
 
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My point is that even though we are correct to expect more of him, he's still been our best player. Am I wrong?
I don't know if your point is wrong, but I think the point that was being made is the guy's numbers aren't that great, and even his actual numbers are deceiving because he puts them up in low leverage situations. Out of his measly 10 HR's, most are hit with nobody on base or when a game is totally out of reach. There is a big part of the fanbase that has no respect for him because for a guy who puts up very pedestrian numbers, especially since they're mostly in low leverage situations, he looks like a complete jackass when he rounds the bases and showboats all the time. Many people don't like that nonsense even when actual superstars do it, never mind players that are slightly above average which is the category Vlad falls into. This guy would possibly be the 7th or 8th batter on the Orioles.
 
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I don't know if your point is wrong, but I think the point that was being made is the guy's numbers aren't that great, and even his actual numbers are deceiving because he puts them up in low leverage situations.
I acknowledged that he has underperformed according to our expectations. Are there stats for him in terms high and low leverage?

Out of his measly 10 HR's, most are hit with nobody on base or when a game is totally out of reach.
The roster routinely has had 3-5 guys batting .200 or less, including Springer and Turner and Barger the first time around and Bo was fairly close. I'll leave the catchers out because they are defense 1st, but they certainly haven't helped. The bases being empty were not his fault and as such he probably has a low sample size with men on base. I'd like to see some stats. (Shockingly I saw a stat in last night's game that the Jays have the 2nd highest batting average with RISP and 2 outs in all of baseball.)

In the meantime they got rid of Biggio and Vogelbach. Bo, George, Barger and Turner have all improved recently along with Horwitz' arrival and his ability to get on base. Related, or not, this has coincided with the uptick in Vladdy's HR rate recently.

There is a big part of the fanbase that has no respect for him because for a guy who puts up very pedestrian numbers, especially since they're mostly in low leverage situations, he looks like a complete jackass when he rounds the bases and showboats all the time.
I don't totally disagree with you but these are personal preferences of the fans and have nothing to do with his actual performance. It's just appearances. He seems to be a superstitious guy with lots of little rituals that he doesn't want to change and many athletes in all sports have superstitions. I don't think that it's an ego thing. He's immature and likes to have fun but I don't think it's showboating even though I think it's not necessary.

To me, what's more important about his rituals is not what the fans think but what his teammates think and from what I can see, he is absolutely beloved by his teammates. This is totally different than the situation with a guy like Marner. We've seen incidents where his teammates are fed up with his shtick, even right on the bench where they call him out. The fans have been calling him out as well, but I put more stock into the teammates' opinions. He also seems to be respected by the players on other teams as well.

This guy would possibly be the 7th or 8th batter on the Orioles.
I disagree. A guy batting .290 with his power (although somewhat dormant) will not bat 7th or 8th on any team.

Vladdy has no doubt disappointed but on this team, he's been among the least of our problems. I'll reiterate, if we had a lineup of of 9 Vladdy's (.291/12 homers/44RBIs/.825OPS) we'd be in 1st place.

He projects out to:

78runs184Hits32Doubles24HR88RBI76Walks
 
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Did anyone hear Ross Atkins being interviewed by Jeff Blair a couple of days ago? It would’ve made you sick Shack. Jeff Blair was asking the hard questions.

Jeff Blair- “do you feel that the front office might have panicked after the loss to Seattle in the playoffs two years ago and you therefore traded away your offence for this new defence priority that clearly is not working…. You traded Teo for a relief pitcher etc. etc.”

Atkins- “we share the frustration with everyone and this team is under performing and it’s very frustrating blah blah blah“

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Philip
 

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Did anyone hear Ross Atkins being interviewed by Jeff Blair a couple of days ago? It would’ve made you sick Shack. Jeff Blair was asking the hard questions.

Jeff Blair- “do you feel that the front office might have panicked after the loss to Seattle in the playoffs two years ago and you therefore traded away your offence for this new defence priority that clearly is not working…. You traded Teo for a relief pitcher etc. etc.”

Atkins- “we share the frustration with everyone and this team is under performing and it’s very frustrating blah blah blah“

🤮

Philip
….. sorry to quote myself. But just to add, I don’t give a rats ass re metrics… be a threat in the lineup and hit the damn ball over the fence, make pitchers adjust to you…. that wins games…none of this other extreme metric crap. All of these so-called geek ass experts trying to tell you about Swansons swing and miss ratio lmao ummmm ok…. I look at stats like it was in the 80s. I look at stats like all that mattered in the 80s. This metric crap has such a ridiculous effect. Mostly useless on what really matters.

Philip
 

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Did anyone hear Ross Atkins being interviewed by Jeff Blair a couple of days ago? It would’ve made you sick Shack. Jeff Blair was asking the hard questions.

Jeff Blair- “do you feel that the front office might have panicked after the loss to Seattle in the playoffs two years ago and you therefore traded away your offence for this new defence priority that clearly is not working…. You traded Teo for a relief pitcher etc. etc.”

Atkins- “we share the frustration with everyone and this team is under performing and it’s very frustrating blah blah blah“

🤮

Philip
I didn't hear it and you're right, it may have been for the better.

They share the frustration but more importantly they should share the blame and take responsibility. But taking responsibility would mean resigning because they failed to perform. Without quitting they would be hollow AKA bullshit words.
 

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Is it a coincidence that ever since Vladdy cut his hair, he's been on fire at the plate?
It's the reverse Sampson effect! >>>>>he sould shave his head completely!
 

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Where are the Vlady haters, he's driven in 6 RBIs in two games against the Wankees. Since Sr gave him some guidance, he's been unstoppable.

 
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