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Blue Jays 2018 Season (Good Riddance 2017)

shack

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Absolutely nothing (other then make me feel good)
I can go with that. Actually, I came very close to giving that answer for you when I posed the question. LOL
 

black booty lover

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I can go with that. Actually, I came very close to giving that answer for you when I posed the question. LOL

I actually have no issue with them firing Gibby, as long as real argument can made, like strategic moves he making.

If the players actually came out and said "we hate this guy, we can't play for him", I then might buy into the notion the team isn't motivated.

That happened in Boston to Bobby Valentine:

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/bobby...rry-lucchino-john-henry-adrian-gonzalez-.html
 

teassoc

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Right now the manager isn't the problem it's the badly ageing team he's been handed.

At the beginning of the season I thought the starting pitching would carry them through to the second wild card. Hard to see that happening now though with Estrada, Stroman and Biagini flopping.

Future looks brighter though with all those contracts due to come off over the next couple of years with the money, hopefully, that will release and young talent coming through, notably Vlad junior.
 

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The interesting question is what state the BJ's starters will be in 2-3 years down the road when their other young players hit their stride. If Sanchez, Stroman, Happ are all gone, who will replace them?
 

black booty lover

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Right now the manager isn't the problem it's the badly ageing team he's been handed.

At the beginning of the season I thought the starting pitching would carry them through to the second wild card. Hard to see that happening now though with Estrada, Stroman and Biagini flopping.

Future looks brighter though with all those contracts due to come off over the next couple of years with the money, hopefully, that will release and young talent coming through, notably Vlad junior.

We know the manager isn't the problem, but many people want to use him as scapegoat. You can't fire the players, so you blame the manager. I believe in other sports like hockey, basketball and football, the coach plays a bigger role. Finding the right chemistry of the guys on the floor/ice, match ups, time management, etc. There's much less of that in baseball, but you still can't fire the players so manager is the one they point to.

Biagini has had some bad luck, but I think he's proven he's much valuable out of the pen. I think eventually Stroman and Sanchez will be fine. Stroman needs to learn he's not superman, and if he's hurt, shut it down. He does more harm than good to both himself and the team. Sanchez missed pretty much the whole season last year, and changed the way he pitches. I think the blister issue is still in his head and he's worried it will come back causing him to miss more time if he uses the same arsenal he did in the past. We've seen the best of Estrada. His change up just isn't fooling as many people anymore, and he doesn't much else so he has to keep throwing it, and hitters sit on it.
 

Perry Mason

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Let me see if I can explain it this way...

With a few exceptions, over the past many years the one constant with the BJ's has been the long parade of players and teams that don't perform up to their reasonable talents and expectations on paper.

Where else but in management does the likely cause reside?

I see a lot of talent on the team right now. It was very obvious at the beginning of the season. They were playing with verve. Not now. I don't see it in their faces and body language... ah, the wonders of modern baseball video coverage!

Sometimes, a change is needed. Just for the sake of shaking things up. That is when the manager is thrown under the bus!

That's baseball! :peace:

Perry
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Sometimes, a change is needed. Just for the sake of shaking things up. That is when the manager is thrown under the bus!
I couldnt agree more.

Good news is Devo went 2 for 3 with 2 Ribbies, and Jays win the series
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Now you blow it up. To many things gone wrong this season. Get whatever you can for tulo, Martin, JD, and Osuna
And fire the manager!!

He's not getting the most out of some very talented players (Stro, Sanchez, Travis...etc)
 

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Russel Martin was playing left field today. I have not been paying that much attention to the team, but are they that depleted in the minor league system that they do not enough young talent in the outfield?

Or is the plan to have Martin play every single position this season?
 

black booty lover

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And fire the manager!!

He's not getting the most out of some very talented players (Stro, Sanchez, Travis...etc)
No way to prove this, and totally irrelevant at this point. Having said that, from an optics stand point as far as Atkins is concerned, if you ever did want to fire him to bring in your own guy, now's the time to do it.
 

Dawgger

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No way to prove this, and totally irrelevant at this point. Having said that, from an optics stand point as far as Atkins is concerned, if you ever did want to fire him to bring in your own guy, now's the time to do it.
1) who is out there that is available and will bring something new to the dugout?
2) any idea who Shatkins may want? PLEASE do not say Wedge!
 

blueray

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Russel Martin was playing left field today. I have not been paying that much attention to the team, but are they that depleted in the minor league system that they do not enough young talent in the outfield?

Or is the plan to have Martin play every single position this season?
Maile was catching and they didn’t want to take Martin’s bat out of the line-up...he is hitting a whopping .160
 

black booty lover

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1) who is out there that is available and will bring something new to the dugout?
2) any idea who Shatkins may want? PLEASE do not say Wedge!

I have no clue. I'm just saying if he's not the guy these two want, now's the time to cut ties. Either that, or maybe they'll hold off knowing he's got a team that will still be struggling in a few months so they might wait to saves themselves a headache of doing it at this point in the season.

For all we know, they might love the guy and have no plans of getting rid of him.
 
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