I would think that Bautista and Encarnacion are close to untouchable. They are now the face of the franchise.
Blue Jays, 2013 edition
- Thread starter Perry Mason
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Why would you trade away a strength in your bullpen ...Cecil, Delabar, Janssen, Loup I would hold onto as you never have enough pitching. Buejrel, Lind if you can get a decent return that helps 2014/2015 then ok. The rest are replacable and/or jays are likely to lose them .. Oliver is a free agent, is Perez really good enough to protect on the 40 man roster.
Bullpen pieces are much easier to replace than any other parts of a team.
If I'm A.A., I'm looking for 2nd or 3rd base prospects, and A or AA level starting pitching in exchange for whatever assets I trade.
2 years ago, if you're a fan of another team, unless you keep up on everything/one in baseball, the only guys on my list that you might have known about are Oliver, Buehrle & maybe Cecil & Lind.
If I'm A.A., I'm looking for 2nd or 3rd base prospects, and A or AA level starting pitching in exchange for whatever assets I trade.
2 years ago, if you're a fan of another team, unless you keep up on everything/one in baseball, the only guys on my list that you might have known about are Oliver, Buehrle & maybe Cecil & Lind.
Then next year we'll hear the complaints about last again cause we traded away the pieces needed to win.
It's really quite amazing...
But Raptors = Rhodes Scholars compared to this bunch of hooligans.
Except deep thinker RA Dickey...
The dude has obviously been lifting.
Gone from being a pasty, puffy, creaky, dough-boy in spring training...
To the lean, ripped and cut slab of beefcake on display tonight...
Extra 15 lbs of muscle = RA can nose out Rajai in the 40 meter dash.
But Raptors = Rhodes Scholars compared to this bunch of hooligans.
Except deep thinker RA Dickey...
The dude has obviously been lifting.
Gone from being a pasty, puffy, creaky, dough-boy in spring training...
To the lean, ripped and cut slab of beefcake on display tonight...
Extra 15 lbs of muscle = RA can nose out Rajai in the 40 meter dash.
Being a Leafs fan, I rarely come into this thread.
Since I have, I am going to rant.
Last time I was in this thread, I complained that the Jays traded away young arms for old arms, and this team won't be going anywhere without quality starting pitching.
Guess what? Look at the starting staff in the Jays division, and only the Yankees are better. The Yankees are reeling too. The damn Yankees aren't going to do anything this year.
Here are a couple of examples from this year.
The LA Dodgers. They got off to a slow start. Then Greinke got hurt in that brawl with SD when he hit Quinten with a pitch. After that, the Dodgers went straight to last place. Greinke returned, pitched well, the team responded and not they are in first place. The Dodgers look like a true contender now. Kershaw, Greinke, Nolasco, Ryu, not a bad looking rotation.
The Tampa Bay Devil Rays. They got off to a slow start. David Price was ineffective and then went onto the DL. After he returned, the Rays started playing better. I think they're some like 24-4 the past month or so. They are hot on the tails of division leading Boston, only ½ game out after tonight's results. Actually I just checked the standings, they're in first. Price looking like his old self and that Archer kid is what propelled the Rays lately.
You know who has an under-rated pitching staff? Why ... it is those Miami Marlins. They are young, but they are good that starting staff. If we take out Miami horrendous start, their record after April probably is comparable to the Jays. Henderson Alverez was fantastic tonight.
The Jay's bullpen is something like ranked 7th in the league. Even the defense is in the top 10 I believe. It is obvious that the Jays can swing the bat.
That leaves us with the most important part, starting pitching which is solely lacking in the Jays.
Look what happened to the Yankees, they got off to a fast start, first place with the old timers, Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte leading the way. Pettitte gets hurts, Sabathis started to struggle. Kuroda is alone holding the forts, that is not enough and the Yankees start to sink.
They should just clean house in management with the Blue Jays. Last 10 years the only two good and reliable starters have been Halladay and Marcum. You remember anyone else? No. And trade away young arms for old arms who are not winning for you.
Fired!
:Eek:
Since I have, I am going to rant.
Last time I was in this thread, I complained that the Jays traded away young arms for old arms, and this team won't be going anywhere without quality starting pitching.
Guess what? Look at the starting staff in the Jays division, and only the Yankees are better. The Yankees are reeling too. The damn Yankees aren't going to do anything this year.
Here are a couple of examples from this year.
The LA Dodgers. They got off to a slow start. Then Greinke got hurt in that brawl with SD when he hit Quinten with a pitch. After that, the Dodgers went straight to last place. Greinke returned, pitched well, the team responded and not they are in first place. The Dodgers look like a true contender now. Kershaw, Greinke, Nolasco, Ryu, not a bad looking rotation.
The Tampa Bay Devil Rays. They got off to a slow start. David Price was ineffective and then went onto the DL. After he returned, the Rays started playing better. I think they're some like 24-4 the past month or so. They are hot on the tails of division leading Boston, only ½ game out after tonight's results. Actually I just checked the standings, they're in first. Price looking like his old self and that Archer kid is what propelled the Rays lately.
You know who has an under-rated pitching staff? Why ... it is those Miami Marlins. They are young, but they are good that starting staff. If we take out Miami horrendous start, their record after April probably is comparable to the Jays. Henderson Alverez was fantastic tonight.
The Jay's bullpen is something like ranked 7th in the league. Even the defense is in the top 10 I believe. It is obvious that the Jays can swing the bat.
That leaves us with the most important part, starting pitching which is solely lacking in the Jays.
Look what happened to the Yankees, they got off to a fast start, first place with the old timers, Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte leading the way. Pettitte gets hurts, Sabathis started to struggle. Kuroda is alone holding the forts, that is not enough and the Yankees start to sink.
They should just clean house in management with the Blue Jays. Last 10 years the only two good and reliable starters have been Halladay and Marcum. You remember anyone else? No. And trade away young arms for old arms who are not winning for you.
Fired!
:Eek:
I agree. Trade Oliver to a contender and get something back for him. He ain't coming back to us next year anyway.
Did anyone mention this before ? Colby Rasmus. He looks like a smart batter at the plate, but he strikes out a lot. So I conclude he's not a bright batter. He always swings for the fences and guess what? Whifffffff
He's a lanky fella who runs like a gazelle (think Devo White). So why doesn't he just be a contact hitter & get the hits ? His batting average will go up as well as his on base percentage. The homers will come. He should try to model himself after Olerud. Leave the homeruns to Joey Bats & EE. Don't try to compete with Arencibia for strikeout leader
Oh, and don't get me started on Arencibia
Did anyone mention this before ? Colby Rasmus. He looks like a smart batter at the plate, but he strikes out a lot. So I conclude he's not a bright batter. He always swings for the fences and guess what? Whifffffff
He's a lanky fella who runs like a gazelle (think Devo White). So why doesn't he just be a contact hitter & get the hits ? His batting average will go up as well as his on base percentage. The homers will come. He should try to model himself after Olerud. Leave the homeruns to Joey Bats & EE. Don't try to compete with Arencibia for strikeout leader
Oh, and don't get me started on Arencibia
The main problem with Rasmus was earlier in the season he was taking too much BP. So much he was actually hurting himself. He has let up on it now. He didn't take any yeasterday and went 4-5. BA has creeped up to a respectable .270. If he can keep his new regimin I think he. Can become a solid player with the bat. The key here is he is adjusting. Let's see how the season ends with him.
I keep thinking about Reyes. Cripes he would have been worth at least another 50+ runs to the team at this point in the season all on his own. What would our record be then?
AA will go out and make another try with starters. Most of the talent on the field is signed.
Add a healthy Happ to the equation and I see a good team.
I keep thinking about Reyes. Cripes he would have been worth at least another 50+ runs to the team at this point in the season all on his own. What would our record be then?
AA will go out and make another try with starters. Most of the talent on the field is signed.
Add a healthy Happ to the equation and I see a good team.
The enigma of Dickey continues. Decent # of strike-outs and overall not ineffective last night. But every time he missed, it got hit out of the park. The commentators are now saying that he needs a bigger ballpark to pitch in. (Hahahaha!)
It seems that 90% of the old Cy Young Dickey is there, but combined with 10% of a washed-up AAA bum.
And let's not forget that Houston is hardly the Detroit Tigers at the plate.
It seems that 90% of the old Cy Young Dickey is there, but combined with 10% of a washed-up AAA bum.
And let's not forget that Houston is hardly the Detroit Tigers at the plate.
Stay horny, my friend.
Unfortunately, when you roll the dice and CLEAN OUT THE FARM SYSTEM...
You are in WIN NOW mode... until it's obvious you can't WIN.
Now it's obvious, the Jays are a sub-.500 team after 102 games...
So you only have 2 options:
(1) Tinker and have a threadmill team for the next 5 years...
While ploughing millions $$$ into retarded Ad Campaigns to fool the rubes.
(2) Fire AA, bring in an Adult like the Raptors did, blow it up, rebuild the Farm System.
The NBA season is just around the corner so I won't have to watch #1...
But if you go #2...
You start by trading Joey Bats and Meathead before trade deadline for 5-6 prospects.
My understanding is he has been having back problems this year. Age has could up a bit. The Dome is definitely a homer park and at his pitch speed leaving one over the plate is BP. Maybe he need to get Lind to get him into yoga to help.
Either way we have him and need to work it out with him.
There is just too damn much tallent here for the record. The top five hitters we haven't seen a line-up like this since WAMCO. It somethimes drives me nuts.
As for Arencibia I'm of two minds. One is the strikeouts do drive me crazy again.
But Tony Laruusa I belive once said he didn't care if his catcher hit .000 as long as he could handle the pitching staff and call the games. Considering the success of the bullpen and flashes from the starters.......do you blame him or the starters?
Not everyone on the team can be a .300 hitter....so any opinions(general call here) on how is catching and pitch selection handling are?
Actually, J.P.'s production is quite good for a catcher.
Problem is that he strikes out so much [357 in 1157 AB or .308 -- were that his BA were .308!!!] and is a rally killer, along with Rasmus [.291] who is, nevertheless, improving. But if there were a statistic for strikeouts at the most inopportune times, J.P. wold be at the top of the list.
Perry
Problem is that he strikes out so much [357 in 1157 AB or .308 -- were that his BA were .308!!!] and is a rally killer, along with Rasmus [.291] who is, nevertheless, improving. But if there were a statistic for strikeouts at the most inopportune times, J.P. wold be at the top of the list.
Perry
I still don't understand why we traded Mike Napoli. I think Napoli would have been a good veteran influence on a young Arencibia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Napoli
On January 21, Napoli was traded to the Toronto Blue Jays along with outfielder Juan Rivera in exchange for outfielder Vernon Wells.[SUP][5][/SUP] Four days later, he was traded by the Blue Jays to the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitcher Frank Francisco.[SUP][6][/SUP]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Napoli
On January 21, Napoli was traded to the Toronto Blue Jays along with outfielder Juan Rivera in exchange for outfielder Vernon Wells.[SUP][5][/SUP] Four days later, he was traded by the Blue Jays to the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitcher Frank Francisco.[SUP][6][/SUP]
Trading Napoli was a big mistake... in retrospect!
Francisco was expected to really help the BJ's and, also in retrospect, was a big mistake.
Perry
Francisco was expected to really help the BJ's and, also in retrospect, was a big mistake.
Perry
Because baseball abilities can change dramatically from year to year in any given player, all baseball trades are a crapshoot. You just hope to win more than you lose. There are few players who are consistently good year in and year out, like Mariano Rivera. More commonly, a player plays at legit star level for 2 or 3 years, then drops off and then possibly picks it up again for a couple of years.
For instance, Bautista. No one could have predicted that he would become a superstar hitter. He was the best hitter in the league for a couple of years and now he has fallen back to the level of a decent, but not dramatically superior slugger.
I hate to beat a dead horse, but Johnson has got to go. First inning and we are already down 4-0. The only good thing is we have 9 innings to go still and it's the Astros. I can't think for the life of me what AA is thinking when he says he wants to bring this guy back next year. I hope they can find some NL team who is desperate for pitching so they can get rid of him. I can't believe how bad this guy has been this year.
The scary part is his qualifying offer will be approximately $14,000,000.00 per year. If you cant find somebody dumb enough to take him now do you qualify him or release him?
