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I've always had a block heater installed on all of my cars over the years. My current car sits in an unheated garage but it is hooked up tonight. When asked why? Battery no good? The car is pretty new and it has nothing to do with starting power but everything to do with the fluids in the motor and their ability to circulate upon start up. My belief is that it helps save the motor.

Anyone else a believer in block heaters?
 

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I have always used synthetic oil in my cars. Even leaving the car outside up north in minus 35C. temps. my car has always started up without any problems. The two most important fluids in your car are the oil and radiator fluid. With a close third being the transmission oil. If you maintain these three, you should not have to many problems.
 

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I always plug in if the temp. is going to get lower that -15. I have a timer on the elec. outlet set to turn on an hour before I need to leave, there is no point having the block heater powered all night.
 

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Yeah, I believe in block heaters. Of course for true believers talk to the guys from Winnipeg, Saskatoon, or Edmonton. Synthetic oil or not, be kind to your engine and warm its oil before starting.
 

whitewaterguy

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Used to use routinely while living in Alberta.
Use now with my diesel tractor

It can't hurt to have fluid temps up when starting an engine in the very cold, regardless what type of oil is used
 

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Fuel efficiency should improve with a block heater. Less warm up time and your fluids will be warmer. Fuel efficiency drops in the winter partly due to cold fluids. On shorter trips, your vehicle never really gets to optimum operating temperature.
 

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Put a clock timer as well.

 

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I've always wanted to install a block heater, but it is incompatible with my cars and factory recommends there is not much benefit. There are some stick-on varieties that are kind of like a blanket heater to warm the bottom of the oil pan, or ones that replaces your dipstick I believe.

Synthetic oil should negate any need for block heaters in the GTA. Driving around for five minutes should be sufficient to warm up your engine enough.

Now, instead I wish there were ways to heat my cabin quickly... that would be much more helpful for me.
 

nottyboi

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not really needed for toronto. I messed around with mine for a while and decided the benefits were so marginal here it don't really bother with it.
 

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Can you switch from regular oil to synthetic and then back to regular once the winter months pass by?? I have a buddy that does it but I've also heard that your engine doesn't like to change back and forth for some reason or another. Any issues with him doing this??
 

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There are oils now that are "semi-synthetic" i.e. part regular oil and part synthetic. If follows that the two types of oil are compatible. I always use synthetic but I use a slightly lighter viscosity version in the winter than in the summer. Your manual will show ranges of viscosities recommended for expected temperatures.

Fluids that are the most sensitive to incompatibilities are radiator coolant and power steering fluid.
 

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Since 2011 Toyota has been changing their cars to synthetic oil. Others can confirm but I believe all cars are now using synthetic.

You can not change over a Toyota from regular to synthetic if it is a model prior to 2011 according to my local dealer. I do not know why.
 

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Living in Calgary I use 100% synthetic, but also absolutely need a block heater when it gets down to -15C or so. If I forget to plug in the block heater, the car makes a brutal 'grinding' sound for half a second on startup before the oil can start to flow. I think the issue is with the oil already sitting on the engine parts, just before the 'block-heater-heated' oil can circulate.
Am I sounding like I know nothing about engines? Good cuz I don't! :confused:
 

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In the old days in Manitoba a lot of us would have an engine block heater plus a small interior electric forced air heater, so that in the morning not only would your engine start, but the car interior would be reasonably warm as well. Great for -40 degree nights!
 

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May be needed on diesel but not gas car in Toronto IMHO

Let car warm up for 30 seconds before driving so oil pressure builds

But it will not hurt
 

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I've always wanted to install a block heater, but it is incompatible with my cars and factory recommends there is not much benefit. There are some stick-on varieties that are kind of like a blanket heater to warm the bottom of the oil pan, or ones that replaces your dipstick I believe.

Synthetic oil should negate any need for block heaters in the GTA. Driving around for five minutes should be sufficient to warm up your engine enough.

Now, instead I wish there were ways to heat my cabin quickly... that would be much more helpful for me.
There is a way. Check out www.defa.com Some manufacturers have approved them for installation....BMW, Mazda, Hyundai too I believe and some others. Call your dealer to check it out.
They are high quality systems.

As for the op's question: using a block warms the coolant, not the oil. In extreme cold (-15c) and colder it does reduce warm up time, improves fuel efficiency, gets incabin heat quicker. Overall a good idea in extreme colds.
 

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There is a way. Check out www.defa.com Some manufacturers have approved them for installation....BMW, Mazda, Hyundai too I believe and some others. Call your dealer to check it out.
They are high quality systems.

As for the op's question: using a block warms the coolant, not the oil. In extreme cold (-15c) and colder it does reduce warm up time, improves fuel efficiency, gets incabin heat quicker. Overall a good idea in extreme colds.
Good info, thanks Firestick - i'll check it out. TERB has been a motherlode of info recently - this thread and also the Netflix thread!
 

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The rate at which bits of metal are scuffed off the moving parts, especially the pistons and con-rod bearings, is much greater when the engine has just started from cold, than when the engine is at normal running temperature.

When the engine is stationary, the oil drains out of the oil-ways. Synthetic oil is good because the coating of oil left on the cold metal surfaces is thicker, and stickier, than oil distilled from crude.

When starting, the problem is to get the cold sluggish oil back into the oil ways and flowing vigorously under pressure into the bearings, so as to minimize the number of seconds during which the oil film is inadequate or missing and the bearings are scraping metal-to-metal.

When starting the engine from cold, even on a hot day, there is still a period of a few seconds before the oil in the oil-ways gets up to full flow. In the old days, the advice used to be to drive off asap after starting, on the theory that putting the engine under load warms the oil quicker. That's not so true now, with computer control of engine temperature during warm-up. Leaving a modern car to idle for a few minutes, under no load, is probably the best thing to minimize start-up wear. Never rev the engine hard, immediately after starting -- summer or winter.

The major benefit of using a block-heater is to warm the coolant so the car-heater is ready to warm the occupants, in very cold weather. Reducing the time it takes to get the oil in the big-end bearings up to full flow would be beneficial if it could be done, but a block heater has only a marginal effect on that.
 

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Never plugged my car in.

My car started the other day in minus 32 without a problem. It's almost always below minus 15 up here.

I was told that if I start to plug it in when it's really cold and one day I don't, it won't start. Like the car somehow becomes dependent on it?? Is that complete bullshit?

While most hotels up north have plugs in the parking lot, some don't, and I don't want to take any chances if a plug isn't available.
It sure is.

The rate at which bits of metal are scuffed off the moving parts, especially the pistons and con-rod bearings, is much greater when the engine has just started from cold, than when the engine is at normal running temperature.

When the engine is stationary, the oil drains out of the oil-ways. Synthetic oil is good because the coating of oil left on the cold metal surfaces is thicker, and stickier, than oil distilled from crude.

When starting, the problem is to get the cold sluggish oil back into the oil ways and flowing vigorously under pressure into the bearings, so as to minimize the number of seconds during which the oil film is inadequate or missing and the bearings are scraping metal-to-metal.

When starting the engine from cold, even on a hot day, there is still a period of a few seconds before the oil in the oil-ways gets up to full flow. In the old days, the advice used to be to drive off asap after starting, on the theory that putting the engine under load warms the oil quicker. That's not so true now, with computer control of engine temperature during warm-up. Leaving a modern car to idle for a few minutes, under no load, is probably the best thing to minimize start-up wear. Never rev the engine hard, immediately after starting -- summer or winter.

The major benefit of using a block-heater is to warm the coolant so the car-heater is ready to warm the occupants, in very cold weather. Reducing the time it takes to get the oil in the big-end bearings up to full flow would be beneficial if it could be done, but a block heater has only a marginal effect on that.

Agree totally up to this point. However, while the block heater does heat coolant the side effect is warmer oil (and far faster circulation of oil over frozen block etc.) and the block itself. Wear and tear is reduced dramatically on your motor with a heater.

As as aside some of the European car manufacturers install block heaters out of the factory.
 

abv

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As as aside some of the European car manufacturers install block heaters out of the factory.
So do many North American manufacturers.

If you use one it's a good idea to put the extension cord in a very visable place.
(Looped Over the drives outside mirror?)
Prevents forgetting & driving away with it still plugged in.
 
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