BLM blocks Yonge and Dundas this morning at 9 am.

[frankcastle]

https://pencanada.ca/blog/canadians-right-to-protest/

According to this website you can block traffic as long as it is not a highway and you are not going to cause harm or death.

 

[wigglee]

I think most BLM are angry, bitter, anti-white racists but I still agree that they have a point ( especially in the U.S.). Cops should be better screened at hiring to detect violent disregard for life. They should be better trained to diffuse situations without using lethal force so quickly. They should be tested for steroid use because roid rage may play a part in this. They should be investigated by an independant body and forced to co-operate right away instead of remaining silent until they can fabricate an alibi between themselves. They should stop hassling people for videoing them with their cell phones and it should made clear to the public that they have this right. If not for video, this problem would still be hidden. The more cameras we have running, the clearer picture we get of what really happened. Police who collude in the tampering and fabrication of evidence, or who knowingly cover up for other officers wrongdoing should be severely disciplined.

 

[Scarey]

I was at work at 9am otherwise I totally would have been there. Being a professional activist is a sweet gig..........

 

[Jubee]

Those protesters who closed off Yonge St. and Dundas downtown, belong in jail. Period.

They can protest in jail. You're allowed to protest in jail too.

The people going to work, in no way shape or form was deliberately infringing on the rights of the protester. Whereas the protester, were deliberately infringing on the rights of workers trying to get to work.

If the protesters closed off Yonge and Dundas at 4:30 PM, then it probably be a different story as people trying to get home.

To top it all off, it was about some incident in hicksville. Like who cares.

The underlined bold part.^

 

[fuji]

I certainly see you're point when you flip the roles.

However, I don't see it fair because roads are indented for means of travel by motor vehicle or cyclist, not protesting. By allowing protestors to stay, and telling motors to find other routes, you are only accommodating one group.

Its the very same as forbidding protestors to use the streets, and suggesting them to use a park instead. In the end, one side will lose their right to that road, so the law needs to be tweaked.

Defiantly not arguing with you, just think a law should be put in place that protests can't assemble on bridges, train rails, or roads.

Whatever gave the idea that roads are only intended for cars? They have been used for protests since long before anybody invented the car. Much of our history, many pivotal moments, involved street protests.

At any rate the police and courts are going to find some way to accommodate the protest so long as the disruption to others isn't egregious.

 

[frankcastle]

I think most BLM are angry, bitter, anti-white racists but I still agree that they have a point ( especially in the U.S.). Cops should be better screened at hiring to detect violent disregard for life. They should be better trained to diffuse situations without using lethal force so quickly. They should be tested for steroid use because roid rage may play a part in this. They should be investigated by an independant body and forced to co-operate right away instead of remaining silent until they can fabricate an alibi between themselves. They should stop hassling people for videoing them with their cell phones and it should made clear to the public that they have this right. If not for video, this problem would still be hidden. The more cameras we have running, the clearer picture we get of what really happened. Police who collude in the tampering and fabrication of evidence, or who knowingly cover up for other officers wrongdoing should be severely disciplined.

I am with you. I dont agree with the bad image that blm is getting. But i think they have valid points. When you hear about people being approached by cops over thirty times and resulting in zero charges that looks really bad.

I saw a news bite about Michael jordan..... he sent an autistic guy who plays at a local court dressed head to toe like jordan in a full bulls uniform some free stuff. That's the headline......but reading into the article mj gave teo million for an anti violence group and five million for a black history museum.

It really goes to show that perception and reality can be miles apart.

I always thought of mj as cocky and aloof.

I think more focus should be on guys lile him who are quietly trying to make a change.

I am eating my words because in an earlier discussion i accused jordan and lebron for doing nothing.

 

[Toke]

BLM isn't doing anything new. Its all been done before by others and on a far bigger and more disruptive scale.

"No More" protesters marched and stalled traffic in Dundas Square, along with the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor, Many points of the CN Rails, and blockages throughout Canada.
Idle No More protest snarls rail, road traffic across Canada

Everyone has a right to peaceful protest. But they should be done in a manner that does not disrupt or interfere with other Canadians, and their daily lives.
If you want to protest Police, organize and stand at a police station. If the issue is with the Government, go to Ottawa.

But disagree with imposing a protest onto others. When you interfere with other peoples daily lives, the protest should be ended immediately by police. To allow it to continue, is like giving into a childs tantrum.

When there are protests like this they have the opposite effect on me. It pisses me off that people have the sense of entitlement to disrupt other peoples lives with total disregard. Much like the G20 protesters who trashed downtown then cried when they were rounded up the next day.
Protest all they want,it won't change my opinion.

Damn, did your people say the same thing to MLK at Birmingham?

Agreed.

The funny thing about protesters who cause disruption is that it always has a negative effect on their image. Although, they may or may not care. But ultimately they should.

It's not different than postal works, transit works, auto workers striking and causing disruption to products and services. Or those old videos of auto workers trashing cars of management or scabs trying to keep the company running when the rest of the workforce isn't working. Or taxis clogging streets upset at Uber.

What you get is few people taking their side. People make fun of them, people verbally abuse them, some people splash coffee at them, you name it. You want to act like an ass? Then you should expect others to treat you like an ass.

On the other hand, people who peacefully protest and negotiate behind the scenes trying to achieve their goal (without pissing people off) rarely get the same treatment. Docs seem pissed off lately at funding. Where's all the docss shutting down offices, or telling patients to go home sick? I don't see it.

Docs, paramedics, pilots, etc.... they've all striked and protest for bigger money years back at some point. But they don't just all sit at home and screw people over. Nor do they hold signs and make asses of themselves disrupting people's lives.

There's a way to make a point, and a way not to. And the more whiney and disruptive it is, it shows they are weak and resort to selfish antics to get their way.

The right to protest doesn't mean you are allowed to block traffic at rush hour.

Typical responses from those who fit into the hegemony. Somewhat, but not really surprised.

 

[Toke]

BLM isn't doing anything new. Its all been done before by others and on a far bigger and more disruptive scale.

"No More" protesters marched and stalled traffic in Dundas Square, along with the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor, Many points of the CN Rails, and blockages throughout Canada.
Idle No More protest snarls rail, road traffic across Canada

Everyone has a right to peaceful protest. But they should be done in a manner that does not disrupt or interfere with other Canadians, and their daily lives.
If you want to protest Police, organize and stand at a police station. If the issue is with the Government, go to Ottawa.

But disagree with imposing a protest onto others. When you interfere with other peoples daily lives, the protest should be ended immediately by police. To allow it to continue, is like giving into a childs tantrum.

When there are protests like this they have the opposite effect on me. It pisses me off that people have the sense of entitlement to disrupt other peoples lives with total disregard. Much like the G20 protesters who trashed downtown then cried when they were rounded up the next day.
Protest all they want,it won't change my opinion.

Damn, did your people say the same thing to MLK at Birmingham?

Agreed.

The funny thing about protesters who cause disruption is that it always has a negative effect on their image. Although, they may or may not care. But ultimately they should.

It's not different than postal works, transit works, auto workers striking and causing disruption to products and services. Or those old videos of auto workers trashing cars of management or scabs trying to keep the company running when the rest of the workforce isn't working. Or taxis clogging streets upset at Uber.

What you get is few people taking their side. People make fun of them, people verbally abuse them, some people splash coffee at them, you name it. You want to act like an ass? Then you should expect others to treat you like an ass.

On the other hand, people who peacefully protest and negotiate behind the scenes trying to achieve their goal (without pissing people off) rarely get the same treatment. Docs seem pissed off lately at funding. Where's all the docss shutting down offices, or telling patients to go home sick? I don't see it.

Docs, paramedics, pilots, etc.... they've all striked and protest for bigger money years back at some point. But they don't just all sit at home and screw people over. Nor do they hold signs and make asses of themselves disrupting people's lives.

There's a way to make a point, and a way not to. And the more whiney and disruptive it is, it shows they are weak and resort to selfish antics to get their way.

The right to protest doesn't mean you are allowed to block traffic at rush hour.

If BLM exercise their right to the road as you suggest and block it, then I no longer have the 'right' to travel on it, thus robbing me of my right.

How is that fair?

If we all use a city road for its intended use (pedestrians cross, and motorist travel) no rights are infringed. But according to the logic protesters are within their rights, it comes at the price of taking other peoples rights away. That seems like something of a conflict of interest.

The rights that their fighting for are those deemed 'basic' by some. You're opposition to them protesting on certain streets is where/why they do. Some of us can't walk those streets without being disturbed.

 

[Celticman]

Typical responses from those who fit into the hegemony.

How cute, he knows one of the SJW buzzwords

 

[Smallcock]

I think most BLM are angry, bitter, anti-white racists but I still agree that they have a point ( especially in the U.S.). Cops should be better screened at hiring to detect violent disregard for life. They should be better trained to diffuse situations without using lethal force so quickly. They should be tested for steroid use because roid rage may play a part in this. They should be investigated by an independant body and forced to co-operate right away instead of remaining silent until they can fabricate an alibi between themselves. They should stop hassling people for videoing them with their cell phones and it should made clear to the public that they have this right. If not for video, this problem would still be hidden. The more cameras we have running, the clearer picture we get of what really happened. Police who collude in the tampering and fabrication of evidence, or who knowingly cover up for other officers wrongdoing should be severely disciplined.

Cops are screened and trained to do the things you suggest. That will never eliminate bad apples who are few.

Everybody can get on board with suggestions like an independent body in order to help fight against abuses inherent (and typical to many institutions) to police forces. When you work with and become friends with the people around you, you may vouch for them or protect them when you shouldn't (or may do so because you may face retaliation for coworkers otherwise). This is a workplace reality and something an independent body could try to resolve.

Cops should face harsh punishment when they break the rules.

 

[Smallcock]

https://pencanada.ca/blog/canadians-right-to-protest/

According to this website you can block traffic as long as it is not a highway and you are not going to cause harm or death.

According to your link, all the protesters could be arrested too. You can cherry pick however you like.

 

[Malibook]

When the he blue jays won the world series i was stuck in a car as people flooded the streets.

Were my rights trampled on?

Fuji is right.

Just because the cause means nothing to you doesn't mean it is invalid.

One time yonge street had large poster sized pics of abortions.

Or on blood st there were pics of land mine victims.

I was blocked by pro pot demonstrators on yonge once.

Doesnt really bother me. At least people have a warning a d can choose a different way to work that day.

Yonge Dundas is easy to avoid.

The Jays party is a community event like the Taste of Danforth and the Santa Claus parade.

All assholes who block the roads without the proper authorization should be cleared, not just BLM.
Like the Tamils on the Gardiner.

The cops don`t arrest people for smoking pot at Queen`s park.
Doesn`t mean that those people are exercising their legal right.
It means that there are times when the cops show tolerance and cut some slack in order to not unnecessarily escalate a situation.

 

[frankcastle]

According to your link, all the protesters could be arrested too. You can cherry pick however you like.

But not for blocking traffic. That was my point.

As for the other five or six ways of getting arrested most can be avoided by being peaceful and not causing violence or damage.

Disturbing the peace could be a charge though. One the one hand if you remain peaceful and dont swear the only issue might be sheer volume. But choosing a loud place like yonge dundas square that often has concerts, events, buskers, crazy religious guy screaming at the corner might actually be smart.

 

[Frankfooter]

But not for blocking traffic. That was my point.

As for the other five or six ways of getting arrested most can be avoided by being peaceful and not causing violence or damage.

Disturbing the peace could be a charge though. One the one hand if you remain peaceful and dont swear the only issue might be sheer volume. But choosing a loud place like yonge dundas square that often has concerts, events, buskers, crazy religious guy screaming at the corner might actually be smart.

Except its now become almost standard practice for police to send in agents provocateurs to protests, send in one who throws something and then the police can argue they are justified in use of force.
It happened at the G8 and happens still.

The right to protest has to exist in a democracy, you don't have to like it we have to accept it.

 

[Twister]

Whatever gave the idea that roads are only intended for cars? They have been used for protests since long before anybody invented the car. Much of our history, many pivotal moments, involved street protests.

At any rate the police and courts are going to find some way to accommodate the protest so long as the disruption to others isn't egregious.

No Fuji, they're not entitled to do whatever they want. I spoke with Cops this morning to find out more about this story and people are entitled to protest, but they're not entitled to block traffic, the protest must not disrupt the peace. The police have the discretion to move in this case and they did by warning them.

 

[fuji]

No Fuji, they're not entitled to do whatever they want. I spoke with Cops this morning to find out more about this story and people are entitled to protest, but they're not entitled to block traffic, the protest must not disrupt the peace. The police have the discretion to move in this case and they did by warning them.

They are certainly allowed to protest on the street. Whether or not you like it there's precedent going back as long as there's been democracy.

 

[Twister]

They are certainly allowed to protest on the street. Whether or not you like it there's precedent going back as long as there's been democracy.

They can protest on the street as long as they're not blocking traffic. This is what police from 52 division said. The protest cannot disrupt the peace.

 

[frankcastle]

They can protest on the street as long as they're not blocking traffic. This is what police from 52 division said. The protest cannot disrupt the peace.

Based on the link I provided that's not correct. If it were a highway then yes. Illegal to block. As long as the blockage is safe it can happen especially since people can be detoured.

Using what a cop says is not always the best info.

A cop thought it was okay to coral people during the G20...... he was wrong.

 

[fuji]

There's not an absolute right to block the street. There's a right to protest on the street that has to be balanced with the rights of others.

So long as the protest is of reasonable duration and the police can route traffic along alternate roads there's no way any judge would ever convict the protesters of any crime.

 

[italianguy74]

Hundreds of medical appointments delayed or canceled.
Dozens of job interviews get screwed over.
Thousands of people late for work and their wages cut for the day with a greater fuel cost.
Thousands of city dollars up in smoke along with all the traffics fumes for some added air pollution.
Delayed response for fire, police and ambulance emergency services where every minute counts to save any life that matters.

All this disruption and more because one little classroom sized group is too boo fking hoo about a one month old press release in another city. All while being ignorant to 99.9% of the rest of their precious world's problems, and to top it all off the protesting hypocrites don't have school, or a job to go to. To hold others from going to work they should be protesting WHILE they are employed or in school. If they want to send a message they way protesting used to be done give up one of their rights before taking it from others.

If there is a law that allows such a small tiny group of protesters to disrupt and disturb the peace then we need to change it. When a significant percentage of the city is involved like in a REAL protest thats a different story.