BLM blocks Yonge and Dundas this morning at 9 am.

[Glock19]

Right back at ya:

"If you exercise your right to use the road as you suggest then they no longer have the 'right' to protest on it, thus robbing them of their right.

How is that fair?"

When two people with rights to the same public space want to use it for conflicting purposes the police and courts will seek a solution that accommodates both.

For example, you could take a different route, and on the side of the protest, they can limit the duration of their protest, and allow emergency vehicles through.

It seems fair to me. If it doesn't seem fair to you, I suggest you have some entitled idea that you own the road and that your use should be prioritized over other people's.

Well everyone have rights to use roads. I agree to Kathleen's point. How about this?
Choose a designated area where you don't interfere the flow of car and public transportation flow. People need to get to work and school.
How is that for fair?

You don't need Police and courts to choose an area that do not interfere with flow of traffic. You just need common sense.
And people don't need to make a detour and spend extra hours to travel to work and school for a benefit of one group only.

 

[Malibook]

Anybody blocking traffic should be immediately removed.
They don`t have the right to block roads any more than they have the right to block train tracks.

Now if they take their protest to a public place that is meant for foot traffic, that is fine.
If they protest in a park and disrupt a soccor game, fine.

 

[Goodoer]

I'm not a BLM fanboi, by any means, but I believe Fuji has a point. Militantly lame as BLM has become, one must respect the other's right to protest. As opposed to barging through the protest area, taking another pedestrian route would be common sense choice for Citizen you and me...

We see this choice being made all the time as we avoid pickets from the Unions, etc... We suck it up and privately complain.

There would be limits to this common sense approach though... Mike Harris' government's best move ever was to bring in the OPP mounted horse unit, to clear out the protesters from Queens Park. I'm dating myself.

 

[Malibook]

I'm not a BLM fanboi, by any means, but I believe Fuji has a point. Militantly lame as BLM has become, one must respect the other's right to protest. As opposed to barging through the protest area, taking another pedestrian route would be common sense choice for Citizen you and me...

We see this choice being made all the time as we avoid pickets from the Unions, etc... We suck it up and privately complain.

I think Fuji is out to lunch again.

The cops have been extremely tolerant of BLM bullshit but that does not mean that BLM has the legal right to block any street any time they feel like it just because it is a public place.

And blocking the entrance to a business is not the same as blocking a major road.

 

[Brill]

fuji makes good points.

I'm not surprised that freedom loving people on terb don't support the freedom to protest.

 

[Malibook]

They are free to protest but they are not free to infringe on the basic rights of others to travel freely.

The cops may cut them some slack but there are limits and all they are doing is pissing people off.

 

[Polaris]

I'm not surprised that freedom loving people on terb don't support the freedom to protest.

Those protesters who closed off Yonge St. and Dundas downtown, belong in jail. Period.

They can protest in jail. You're allowed to protest in jail too.

The people going to work, in no way shape or form was deliberately infringing on the rights of the protester. Whereas the protester, were deliberately infringing on the rights of workers trying to get to work.

If the protesters closed off Yonge and Dundas at 4:30 PM, then it probably be a different story as people trying to get home.

To top it all off, it was about some incident in hicksville. Like who cares.

:deadhorse:

 

[Brill]

Every traffic jam makes my bus late and infringes on my right to get to work, does that mean all drivers involved should be arrested?

 

[Polaris]

I'm not a BLM fanboi, by any means, but I believe Fuji has a point. Militantly lame as BLM has become, one must respect the other's right to protest. As opposed to barging through the protest area, taking another pedestrian route would be common sense choice for Citizen you and me...

We see this choice being made all the time as we avoid pickets from the Unions, etc... We suck it up and privately complain.

There would be limits to this common sense approach though... Mike Harris' government's best move ever was to bring in the OPP mounted horse unit, to clear out the protesters from Queens Park. I'm dating myself.

Black Life Matter right to protest. That is a narrative.

Black Life Matter with their actions are being jackasses. That is an alternative narrative.

Since the latter is politically incorrect, it won't be repeat much in public, unless you're Donald Trump.

More stunts like this, and overwhelming majority of Toronto residents will believe the narrative of Black Life Matters are jackasses.

However, Black Life Matters can still win the PR War, and be viewed favourably by Toronto residents. All they have to do is not block traffic, but derail all Toronto City Hall council meetings. That would be fantastic.

 

[Malibook]

Every traffic jam makes my bus late and infringes on my right to get to work, does that mean all drivers involved should be arrested?

If you can`t see any difference between heavy traffic and accidents compared to people intentionally walking into the middle of a road, you should just stop posting now.

 

[Polaris]

Every traffic jam makes my bus late and infringes on my right to get to work, does that mean all drivers involved should be arrested?

When it snows too much, they cancel school, and close roads. You can blame God for that too.

However, don't think we hold our breath that the authorities would arrest Jesus.

Then again, you never know. Jesus has a bigger chance of getting arrested than Black Life Matters in this city, City of Toronto.

:ambivalence:

 

[Brill]

Black Life Matter with their actions are being jackasses.

If you think Blacks should shut up and accept being harassed because of their colour, you should stop posting.

 

[Polaris]

If you think Blacks should shut up and accept being harassed because of their colour, you should stop posting.

Playing the race card, doesn't really work.

That's the plain truth.

Why playing the race card doesn't work? That is very complicated.

Not sure why it doesn't work.

If it doesn't work, why bother playing it.

 

[frankcastle]

When the he blue jays won the world series i was stuck in a car as people flooded the streets.

Were my rights trampled on?

Fuji is right.

Just because the cause means nothing to you doesn't mean it is invalid.

One time yonge street had large poster sized pics of abortions.

Or on blood st there were pics of land mine victims.

I was blocked by pro pot demonstrators on yonge once.

Doesnt really bother me. At least people have a warning a d can choose a different way to work that day.

Yonge Dundas is easy to avoid.

 

[fuji]

Anybody blocking traffic should be immediately removed.
They don`t have the right to block roads any more than they have the right to block train tracks.

Now if they take their protest to a public place that is meant for foot traffic, that is fine.
If they protest in a park and disrupt a soccor game, fine.

They do have the right. You may not like it, but it's pretty well established. People have been protesting in public streets since the dawn of democracy, since long before there were automobiles. Think French revolution. Think Boston tea party. Think Martin Luther King's civil rights marches. Think EDSA revolution.

It's an older, more established right than your "right"to drive a car and at times it has been the ultimate guarantor of democracy itself.

I'm not a BLM supporter, and I believe that these tactics will alienate people and harm their cause. But in terms of the rights that they have to protest, they do have that right.

It's not an absolute right because others ALSO have rights to use the road, so as I said, the authorities will seek a solution that balances all the rights.

Typically that means diverting traffic to alternate routes and limiting the time that the protest blocks the road.

 

[fuji]

You really are an obtuse little man

I'm also right.

 

[Brill]

Playing the race card, doesn't really work.

That's the plain truth.

Why playing the race card doesn't work? That is very complicated.

Not sure why it doesn't work.

If it doesn't work, why bother playing it.

The race carding is done too often, cops should stop.

 

[Polaris]

They do have the right. You may not like it, but it's pretty well established. People have been protesting in public streets since the dawn of democracy, since long before there were automobiles. It's an older, more established right than your "right"to drive a car.

I'm not a supporter, and I believe that these tactics will alienate people and harm their cause. But in terms of the rights that they have to protest, they do have that right.

It's not an absolute right because others ALSO have rights to use the road, so as I said, the authorities will seek a solution that balances all the rights.

Typically that means diverting traffic to alternate routes and limiting the time that the protest blocks the road.

Yeah but fuji, how do we know that the whole point was to block the road and aggravate people?

My opinion is two fold.

1. is that they wanted to aggravate people, because it was 9:00 AM

2. they thought this would bring awareness to their cause, but they over played their hand.

Look at this thread. We're talking rights, and right to protest, what the police should do, and not about what they were protesting against. Who knows? That is over playing their hand.

This is just an attempt to aggravate. If it was about something else, then it got lost in the commotion.

Look at a recent DNC protest.

The only point there was to aggravate.

Sanders Fans Plan DNC 'Fart-In' Protest of Clinton Nomination
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...n-dnc-fart-protest-clinton-nomination-n611596

 

[fuji]

Yeah but fuji, how do we know that the whole point was to block the road and aggravate people?

My opinion is two fold.

1. is that they wanted to aggravate people, because it was 9:00 AM

2. they thought this would bring awareness to their cause, but they over played their hand.

Look at this thread. We're talking rights, and right to protest, what the police should do, and not about what they were protesting against. Who knows? That is over playing their hand.

This is just an attempt to aggravate. If it was about something else, then it got lost in the commotion.

Look at a recent DNC protest.

The only point there was to aggravate.

Sanders Fans Plan DNC 'Fart-In' Protest of Clinton Nomination
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...n-dnc-fart-protest-clinton-nomination-n611596

I agree with you. You are discussing the likely political impact of their protest. I agree.

Trump also had every right to insult a Gold Star family, and that didn't work out well for him either.

Just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean it's a good idea.

 

[Smallcock]

Wrong. Their right to use the road for their protest is equal to your right to use it to commute. It's a public space, you don't own it either.

The courts (and police) will seek a reasonable balance between allowing the protest and permitting other road use. They will route traffic around, ensure that emergency vehicles get through, and if necessary limit the duration of the protest.

But they do have a right to use the road, just as you do.

You're wrong as usual.

And the only reason why they're not arrested is because of optics and backlash. It would look bad if cops arrested them by giving them more ammunition to claim abuse.

Please stop your nonsense about the right to protest and other things that you don't understand.