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Jasmine Raine

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Well, I am glad to see some more jumped in here.

Yes Blackpather, I am disgusted with you and anyone else who behaves like you. I am allowed to have those feelings and opinions and there is nothing you can do about it. You have no idea how many men try for non-available services and think saying "oops" is ok and I am telling you it is not.

Also, if you look at my first post, I never called you anything. I said you are disgusting in my opinion but I never called you any names? I asked if you were a cave man. Caveman mentality is for the woman to just shut after the man speaks. That is how you are acting. You wanted to keep commenting on me, but you wanted me to shut up. How do you figure you are allowed to speak and I am not?

I came here to inform people, yourself included. What you did is considered a TYPE of sexual assault. Period. You don't have to agree, but the law sees it differently. You knew that ass play as off limits, based on your own review, and you went for it anyway. There was a clear line drawn and you went past that line with your inappropriate touching of her ass.

You don't have to like what I said but you should listen to it. As I said, in this day and age when sexual harassment is on the rise, and you as clients are already criminals for consensual stuff, why would you risk something non-consensual? Sorry, but there can no longer be the excuse of "in the heat of the moment" or "I stopped when she said no again."

I get not wanting to continue to hear this from myself and others. I totally get it. Who would want to hear how they technically sexually assaulted someone and didn't even know it, but you clearly need too. And if not you, others certainly do. It is not a grudge at all. Until this review was PMed to me, I had no idea who you were, nor did I care. After this thread is done, I still won't care. In reality, my posting has nothing to do with you other then you caused the problem. My posting is for everyone in general. You are not that special. At least not to me.

So please, drop the defence, listen to what myself and now others are trying to say, and then move on with an appreciation that your error is being pointed out by people on an anonymous board and not an actual courtroom. Bliss may have brushed it off, she may not have, but with the next lady - you may not be so lucky.
 

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Oh come on. The entire tone of this thread is Jessica's fault and Jessica's alone. She didn't come here and offer her opinion respectfully and try to inform, she came here attacking Blackpanther as a human being, calling him disgusting and horrible, then when the heat got turned up she tried to call him sexist for standing up for himself - ridiculous and immature. That shows me her intent isn't to educate and inform but to attack and denigrate. This is when the actual SP herself hasn't even spoken up - seems pretty sexist to me that all of you are acting like she needs a cabal of online warriors fighting in her stead when already I would argue she already has courage and confidence to go into this line of work.

I don't think anyone defends what Blackpanther did, least of all him. I can say straight up it was lame what and he did and if his name is indicative of who he is in real life, as a not so visible minority myself I really wish he didn't do that because already a lot of SPs are wary about certain minority groups so it fucks us all. But he's not a 'disgusting' person for it.

Also, Jessica, Caterina, and so on - please direct me to such a lengthy and vitriol-filled post you've both made about the massive issues in the escort business affecting clients? It strikes me as very hypocritical that you rip into Blackpanther and focus solely on SPs, where you yourself admit the law is on the side of the SP and seem to ignore the vast majority of the issues that clients face. Go to Ottawa BP and I can safely say that the majority are either fake pictures or are advertising false services, and pretty much any guy that shows up has a fair to high risk of being robbed, shaken down, or in some horror stories blackmailed for months on end. I can only imagine how bad things are for big cities...

Where's your outrage for that?
 

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Totally agree with Jessica here.

As the years go on, more and more people are trying things that are off limits as discussed before session. Even though they already know it's going to be a 'No', they try anyway.

It's easy, you tell a girl what you're looking for - if she agrees, then great. If she doesn't, then that doesn't mean to try it anyway in the middle of session.

It's becoming increasingly more common where people are not respecting the girls they are seeing.

Here's another simple way to put it: can I shove my fingers up your Greek lands? No? Well how about I do it in session anyway, even though you said no.

Wouldn't feel good if someone touched you in a way you didn't want to, would it.
 

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Oh come on. The entire tone of this thread is Jessica's fault and Jessica's alone. She didn't come here and offer her opinion respectfully and try to inform, she came here attacking Blackpanther as a human being, calling him disgusting and horrible, then when the heat got turned up she tried to call him sexist for standing up for himself - ridiculous and immature. That shows me her intent isn't to educate and inform but to attack and denigrate. This is when the actual SP herself hasn't even spoken up - seems pretty sexist to me that all of you are acting like she needs a cabal of online warriors fighting in her stead when already I would argue she already has courage and confidence to go into this line of work.

I don't think anyone defends what Blackpanther did, least of all him. I can say straight up it was lame what and he did and if his name is indicative of who he is in real life, as a not so visible minority myself I really wish he didn't do that because already a lot of SPs are wary about certain minority groups so it fucks us all. But he's not a 'disgusting' person for it.

Also, Jessica, Caterina, and so on - please direct me to such a lengthy and vitriol-filled post you've both made about the massive issues in the escort business affecting clients? It strikes me as very hypocritical that you rip into Blackpanther and focus solely on SPs, where you yourself admit the law is on the side of the SP and seem to ignore the vast majority of the issues that clients face. Go to Ottawa BP and I can safely say that the majority are either fake pictures or are advertising false services, and pretty much any guy that shows up has a fair to high risk of being robbed, shaken down, or in some horror stories blackmailed for months on end. I can only imagine how bad things are for big cities...

Where's your outrage for that?
Search my posting history if you want to see where. You don't think it doesn't piss me off that girls flake, use fake pics, or give subpar service? Of course it does. I am bigger woman and I make sure to show real, recent and reveiling pics. I don't photoshop things to death, or pose in ways that don't show who I am. I post my real age, I am as real as you can get. I practice what I preach, and I will happily support you on any thread regarding those issues. Just PM me. Like the person did when they brought this thread to my attention.

FFS, I just said in a thread that SPs should not be working on their period and anyone who does without telling the client first is guilty of sexual assault themselves. Since it is not informed consent.

You can't call me a hypocrite. I mean, you can if you want, but seriously, it makes you look foolish.

Again, yes, I think BlackPather is disgusting. I don't deny it, and if I didn't want to educate, I wouldn't have started the discussion I did in the lounge about this very topic, or post on the other Ottawa board about this very same topic.
 

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and I just remembered....

You want to see a thread. Granted this guy got scammed by a guy, but it is still industry related.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...response-in-Vancover-comes-crawling-back-home

I didn't know who this guy was, I had nothing to do with the issue since it happened in BC, but I offered him a discount on seeing me because of the BS he went through. I apologized on the behalf of the industry. It is right there in that thread.

So Spartan7 - How am I a hypocrite? How am I just being a sexist bitch attacking this poor reviewer? How am I the bad guy when he was the one who tried to finger her ass when he knew it was off limits?????
 

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and I just remembered....

You want to see a thread. Granted this guy got scammed by a guy, but it is still industry related.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...response-in-Vancover-comes-crawling-back-home

I didn't know who this guy was, I had nothing to do with the issue since it happened in BC, but I offered him a discount on seeing me because of the BS he went through. I apologized on the behalf of the industry. It is right there in that thread.

So Spartan7 - How am I a hypocrite? How am I just being a sexist bitch attacking this poor reviewer? How am I the bad guy when he was the one who tried to finger her ass when he knew it was off limits?????
@ Jessica Rain... This is such crap! You offered a guy a discount because of something that happened to him? Yippeee... good for you... that is purely a money move on your part, trying to be the hero but really just trying to make money and gain a client while taking advantage of a bad experience!!!

Someone who says NO GREEK might still enjoy a little play in that area...

But thank you Jessica for trying to be the moral compass for everyone here. I am glad we voted you as leader of this free world!
 

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@ Jessica Rain... This is such crap! You offered a guy a discount because of something that happened to him? Yippeee... good for you... that is purely a money move on your part, trying to be the hero but really just trying to make money and gain a client while taking advantage of a bad experience!!!

Someone who says NO GREEK might still enjoy a little play in that area...

But thank you Jessica for trying to be the moral compass for everyone here. I am glad we voted you as leader of this free world!
No, thank you for voting. It is always important and I will hold this position with respect. It is greatly appreciated.
 

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@ Jessica Rain... This is such crap! You offered a guy a discount because of something that happened to him? Yippeee... good for you... that is purely a money move on your part, trying to be the hero but really just trying to make money and gain a client while taking advantage of a bad experience!!!

Someone who says NO GREEK might still enjoy a little play in that area...

But thank you Jessica for trying to be the moral compass for everyone here. I am glad we voted you as leader of this free world!



If someone says clearly, "No Greek" why even try? That's pushing the boundaries of something that was discussed. She's clearly telling you up front No, yet you still try? That's literally the definition of sexual assault..
 

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...I can say straight up it was lame what and he did and if his name is indicative of who he is in real life, as a not so visible minority myself I really wish he didn't do that because already a lot of SPs are wary about certain minority groups so it fucks us all. But he's not a 'disgusting' person for it.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?622102-Alexia-on-BP&p=6006805&highlight=#post6006805
Post #6 is Blackpanther's post on the thread above:
Haha despite my randomly chosen name, I'm not black.

Though she gave you a bbbj and a CIM but she texted me that she does not offer it...
 

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I never ever come to this section but the topic was raised in the Lounge so I decided to watch the show first hand instead of just reading the Coles' Notes!

i started going for a lady's butt once without first asking if it was ok with my finger. she politely stopped me (thankfully i didn't get very far). I felt bad about it and apoligized and from that point on i always ask before i do the following: digits, greek digits, dfk. it doesn't kill the mood if anything i find i have more fun (and hopefully she does as well). I don't do DATY so i don't ask for that but would aks if i did. Different ladies have different boundaries and i agree doing something on an SP thats already said no is sexual assault

all i can say from the OP is learn from this, move on and be thankful all you got from this is crap through a message board
The unfortunate thing is if the lady wasn't an SP i.e. paid for sex, I think most ladies who said no to something (like anal digits) and had a guy try would stop and leave or kick his ass out, depending on the location. To me, this is surprisingly a black/white issue and I think Jessica is correct. So you sir are correct in saying the OP is lucky the only thing that has happened is some negative commentary on this forum. Different girl or different situation could have yielded a different result.

I think it's being reiterated because it needs to be. It sounds like in your review that your digits in her ass was brushed off and you both moved on. I suspect this is her being more tolerant of that maneuver than she should have been, and not that it wasn't a big deal. Maybe it was a big deal to her and she played along to get the session over with, or maybe she thinks it's expected since she's new? I wasn't there so I can only guess. If it was some uncommon restriction like she doesn't want her nipples sucked or not to touch her clit I might buy the "oops/heat of the moment" argument, but putting your digits in her ass I can't see as being at all common. Ass play seems to be important to you yet you saw an SP that said it wasn't in the menu, and then you did that anyway. I can't believe it wasn't premeditated or intentional. If you think she's into the session and you think she might bend on her restrictions and be up for it then asking first would have been a good idea.

I'm not very experienced but the point made that clients who do what you did ruins it for the rest of us makes sense. I like to see real people not sex robots so the personal connection is important to me. Even if I'm just another appointment to them I can't imagine SPs wouldn't prefer to see a guy where trust isn't an issue and they can be more relaxed and be themselves. This seems to me that you set guys like me back and I will be treated as untrustworthy until proven otherwise.

For the guys that don't know Jessica (being an out of region thread), I've seen her a few times now and will continue to. Saying she is one of the good ones is an understatement. She has a low tolerance for bullshit and so do I - probably why we get along so well. Yes she is vocal about subjects like this and rightfully so. You definitely crossed a line. SPs have any number of trust issues to deal with especially when you are in their home. I can't imagine the position you put Bliss in doing what you did, likely playing along seemed like the safest avenue for her. I'm sure you are larger than she is and pissing off a client could potentially elevate to a much more dangerous situation. I'm not saying that is a likely scenario with you in particular but she probably doesn't know that either.
Well said. I especially agree that the way some guys act and treat women make things tougher for the rest of us. I occasionally will massage an MPA and some of the reactions until I start display how many assholes say they are going to massage only to use it as a premise for fingering her. I imagine the reactions are based on many guys trying this.

Well, I am glad to see some more jumped in here.

Yes Blackpather, I am disgusted with you and anyone else who behaves like you. I am allowed to have those feelings and opinions and there is nothing you can do about it. You have no idea how many men try for non-available services and think saying "oops" is ok and I am telling you it is not.

Also, if you look at my first post, I never called you anything. I said you are disgusting in my opinion but I never called you any names? I asked if you were a cave man. Caveman mentality is for the woman to just shut after the man speaks. That is how you are acting. You wanted to keep commenting on me, but you wanted me to shut up. How do you figure you are allowed to speak and I am not?

I came here to inform people, yourself included. What you did is considered a TYPE of sexual assault. Period. You don't have to agree, but the law sees it differently. You knew that ass play as off limits, based on your own review, and you went for it anyway. There was a clear line drawn and you went past that line with your inappropriate touching of her ass.

You don't have to like what I said but you should listen to it. As I said, in this day and age when sexual harassment is on the rise, and you as clients are already criminals for consensual stuff, why would you risk something non-consensual? Sorry, but there can no longer be the excuse of "in the heat of the moment" or "I stopped when she said no again."

I get not wanting to continue to hear this from myself and others. I totally get it. Who would want to hear how they technically sexually assaulted someone and didn't even know it, but you clearly need too. And if not you, others certainly do. It is not a grudge at all. Until this review was PMed to me, I had no idea who you were, nor did I care. After this thread is done, I still won't care. In reality, my posting has nothing to do with you other then you caused the problem. My posting is for everyone in general. You are not that special. At least not to me.

So please, drop the defence, listen to what myself and now others are trying to say, and then move on with an appreciation that your error is being pointed out by people on an anonymous board and not an actual courtroom. Bliss may have brushed it off, she may not have, but with the next lady - you may not be so lucky.
I don't know the conversations that took place with the OP and Bliss but just as much as some may feel it may be her fault for not saying something, it's equally the guy's fault for not asking and basically assuming (we all know the saying about assume which conveniently fits into this whole discussion - lol). Why does it seem like quite a few people refuse to ask some followup questions and assume everything not discussed is game? If SP says no Greek and I want to use digits in her ass, the immediate followup question is "How about anal digits?".

The funny thing I noticed on this thread, besides some of the usual responses supporting the OP, are the guys saying "heat of the moment" - WTF? I don't know about others but I've never been drunk, high, or overcome by fits of passion to try something that was disallowed. I'm sorry but that's the dumbest thing I've heard. What else can we fit into this? In the heat of passion, I decided to bite her hard? In the heat of passion she decided to bite down? I have had some steamy sessions where I was tempted to do things that I like for sure but NEVER ever crossed the line or even approached it knowing it was off-limits and that's the way it should ALWAYS be.

@ Jessica Rain... This is such crap! You offered a guy a discount because of something that happened to him? Yippeee... good for you... that is purely a money move on your part, trying to be the hero but really just trying to make money and gain a client while taking advantage of a bad experience!!!

Someone who says NO GREEK might still enjoy a little play in that area...

But thank you Jessica for trying to be the moral compass for everyone here. I am glad we voted you as leader of this free world!
Jessica cut a guy a break. I don't know the reason but she's free to do whatever she wants (as long as it's not for racial/discriminatory reasons). And while you might be correct about enjoying play, is it too much trouble to ask first.

I'm the type that HATES it when a lady says everything is ok. I still turn around and will ask everything anyway just in case. One day I will turn around and say "Everything? So I can piss on you and punch you in the gut? No? So then EVERYTHING is not ok" as a joke. And if a girl does say everything, since the list is short, just say "Just in case, anything you are not ok with?"

If someone says clearly, "No Greek" why even try? That's pushing the boundaries of something that was discussed. She's clearly telling you up front No, yet you still try? That's literally the definition of sexual assault..
Exactly. I wouldn't call attempting to finger pushing boundaries - you've crossed the line but failed in execution. Pushing would be either pestering until she relents or faking attempts or going near.
 

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Popcorn, beer and terb. Saves me a lot of money...no need to go out to be entertained. ;)
 

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Having something shoved up your butt when there's no lubrication hurts. That's certainly not something you do without permission. He's lucky she didn't shove a phone book up his ass in response. I know some girls who would.
 

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I’m no white knight. Im actually pretty fucking far from it. It I can’t imagine a world where i put anything in A ladies butt without asking first, I don’t give a damn how hot the session is. On the very rare occasions I’ve done DATO I’ve asked before. I’ve never done Greek. The only lady who ever wanted it in session was the famous Betty. And I still declined. Okay I’m off topic. I’m not really equipped to comment on the sp side, but from a client perspective I find the action reprehensible and the justification inexcusable.

We’re all different but it’s just not on me to test boundaries. I find it disgusting.
 

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Having something shoved up your butt when there's no lubrication hurts. That's certainly not something you do without permission. He's lucky she didn't shove a phone book up his ass in response. I know some girls who would.
Exactly! He's probably lucky because she's new. If it was a more experienced SP, I imagine it would have been handled differently.
 

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I’m no white knight. Im actually pretty fucking far from it. It I can’t imagine a world where i put anything in A ladies butt without asking first, I don’t give a damn how hot the session is. On the very rare occasions I’ve done DATO I’ve asked before. I’ve never done Greek. The only lady who ever wanted it in session was the famous Betty. And I still declined. Okay I’m off topic. I’m not really equipped to comment on the sp side, but from a client perspective I find the action reprehensible and the justification inexcusable.

We’re all different but it’s just not on me to test boundaries. I find it disgusting.

It's always great to hear clients think this way. It's much more respectful.
 

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It's not that difficult to be like "hey are you cool with digits in the ass". Why test it without asking? "HMM WELL SHE SAID NO GREEK AS IN NO DICK BUT MAYBE SHE'S COOL WITH MY FINGER IN HER ASS. LET ME TRY IT OUT WITHOUT ASKING"

What if a chick says she's cool with hair pulling and spanking and a guy decides to try choking/slapping/spitting without asking? Would that be ok? Obviously not. It's not difficult to ask.

Also this isn't the first time he's done this. Here's his review of another SP that goes by the name Ariana Gold

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?622110-Ariana-Gold-review



Clearly he didn't learn from that experience
OMG serial offender. That's not ambiguous.
 

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It's not that difficult to be like "hey are you cool with digits in the ass". Why test it without asking? "HMM WELL SHE SAID NO GREEK AS IN NO DICK BUT MAYBE SHE'S COOL WITH MY FINGER IN HER ASS. LET ME TRY IT OUT WITHOUT ASKING"

What if a chick says she's cool with hair pulling and spanking and a guy decides to try choking/slapping/spitting without asking? Would that be ok? Obviously not. It's not difficult to ask.

Also this isn't the first time he's done this. Here's his review of another SP that goes by the name Ariana Gold

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?622110-Ariana-Gold-review



Clearly he didn't learn from that experience
And that’s my point. Dude clearly has a problem and personally I think he should be called out, not defended. He’s done it before and will do it again. I hope ladies don’t take his screen name as an indication of race and therefore justification to exclude minorities. He’s already admitted he’s not black. Only reason I bring it up is because if it makes it to the longe the racists over there will start making assumptions.
 

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Most girls who I've met who have said no greek, have been okay with a little anal play. There's a world of difference between greek and anal play.

Some may like some rubbing on the outside, some may even be okay with a single finger inside, it's not that they don't want any touching around that area, just that taking a penis inside there is too much for them. But then there are of course those who don't want any interaction at all there. BP was told no greek, but not about anal play, so he tried to see if she was okay with a little anal play, he didn't try to force his way in. He went nearby, she noticed where he was going and said no, and he backed off, exactly what he should have done.
Clearly there is a world of difference between assplay and Greek. But since the two are related, a no to one means there is the possibility of a no to the other. So why assume? Just ask. And sorry, testing the boundaries is a pretty sad and somewhat sick way of getting an answer. I've on a few occasions had the desire to spank a lady's ass but I don't go for spank #1 and test the waters. I ask, she says yes, and I spank away. I also test it out by going light and testing her limits with increased force. I even spanked one girl pretty hard because she ASKED me to demonstrate what I was ok with on myself and she didn't like it. But no issue because she asked and okayed it.

I’m no white knight. Im actually pretty fucking far from it. It I can’t imagine a world where i put anything in A ladies butt without asking first, I don’t give a damn how hot the session is. On the very rare occasions I’ve done DATO I’ve asked before. I’ve never done Greek. The only lady who ever wanted it in session was the famous Betty. And I still declined. Okay I’m off topic. I’m not really equipped to comment on the sp side, but from a client perspective I find the action reprehensible and the justification inexcusable.

We’re all different but it’s just not on me to test boundaries. I find it disgusting.
Totally agree. The defense of the actions (in general) has blown my mind somewhat.

And that’s my point. Dude clearly has a problem and personally I think he should be called out, not defended. He’s done it before and will do it again. I hope ladies don’t take his screen name as an indication of race and therefore justification to exclude minorities. He’s already admitted he’s not black. Only reason I bring it up is because if it makes it to the longe the racists over there will start making assumptions.
A serial fingerer!
 

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So I am the big bad bitch who outed the serial ass fingerer. I will take that title and proudly wear it.

This whole bout of bullshit regarding "heat of the moment" or "it was a simple mistake" is clearly not. When you have spent years in online communication, you learn a thing or two about the way people post. What they mean when they post, what type of person they are, and I can generally read tone. Sometimes I am wrong, this is not one of them.

This poster does not give two shits about what he is doing and will continue to do it. He won't write about it which is sad because now he will go into hiding with how he continues to assault women, but it is clear that he is at the very least what I already said he is. Disgusting.

I am thankful to the person who brought this review to my attention. I appreciate that you felt I was a person who could bring this light. I thank all the gentlemen who truly understand and respect the boundaries of women in and out of this industry.

To the OP - STOP STICKING YOUR FINGER IN SOMEONE'S ASS WITHOUT PRIOR CONSENT.

That means you ask "Can I stick my fingers in your ass?" You wait for an answer and then you follow said answer. It is really that simple. You stop doing what you are doing and you may be able to one day say, I am not a person who sexually assaults women. Right now, you can't say that. I know I couldn't look in the mirror if I was you. How you proceed from here is up to you.

And just a little extra tidbit, this is one of the reasons that more and more indies are asking for references, including online handles. So we can search out posting history, and find out about these things.

I have done my job here - I am out!
 
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