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Moviefan-2

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(Y)ou fixated on the difference between 2014's temperature and the bet, which needed a record year over year increase for me to win.
It was a year-over-year increase of 0.15ºC of the 2014 anomaly from the time of the bet.
NASA said:
Globally-averaged temperatures in 2015 shattered the previous mark set in 2014 by 0.23 degrees Fahrenheit (0.13 Celsius).

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...-shattering-global-warm-temperatures-in-2015/


http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

The Six attempts at 'Moving the Goal Posts'

That's not NASA.
...now you're faking charts.
Yet another lie from you, claiming that's chart we bet on.
Are you expecting me to try to figure out your faulty weasel math?
Screw you, I'm not going down that rabbit hole.
It takes a certain kind of person to post something that shows himself to be a lying fool.
Now you're down to copying and pasting random ... quotes as if they had some kind of point to them.


:thumb:

I'm done.
 

Frankfooter

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All it takes is getting called out for lying about a study and you are back into your Dunning-Kruger type partial quotes, arranged as if they meant something all put together.
But all it takes is to look at the image of the NASA site you posted to show that you lost the bet, you did after all bet that the temp wouldn't hit 0.83ºC.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
You are lying about the bet just like you are lying about the Fyfe study.
Too bad your own ignorance keeps you from understanding how incompetent you are.
 

fuji

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I don't claim to be an expert however the metaphor was a reference from experts. The main point being made is CO2 is not the main contributor to raising temps (according to some experts). Methane is a much more "destructive" gas

I am not a tree hugger that runs around screaming about doomsday senarios if the Earth warms up. However I am not naive enough to suggest humans have not altered the environment. Experts agree that the world is warming and it is warming faster than Prehistoric times because of human consumption however experts can't all agree by how much it will warm and what the end results will be. However based on history there have always been doomsday seekers and they have always been wrong. Sure humans have created "problems" however humans tend to also be very creative and find solutions to problems.

I am not against Global Warming. The trend is a warming climate however to play "devil's advocate" if you go back a few decades the predictions were the exact opposite. With sulphur and other harmful particle released into the atmosphere as coal etc was used to fuel the Industrial Revolution doomsday seekers were talking about global cooling and the coming of an ice age. The release of sulphur acted similar to volcanic eruptions and "clouded" out the sun causing global cooling. There is some indication as we clean up our air (i.e. remove sulphur and other particles) it is allowing more sun through causing more warming. Cleaner air may be part of Global Warming

Again I don't claim to be an expert all I suggest is 1- methane and other gases can be more harmful than CO2. And 2- don't listen to extremist on either side. To claim Global Warming does not exist or compare climate to weather is naive. However to suggest the world will flood and we will all die can be just as naive. Humans as a whole can come up with some very innovated solutions to problems.
This post will be ignored because it is too balanced.
 

Moviefan-2

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(Y)ou fixated on the difference between 2014's temperature and the bet, which needed a record year over year increase for me to win.
It was a year-over-year increase of 0.15ºC of the 2014 anomaly from the time of the bet.
NASA said:
Globally-averaged temperatures in 2015 shattered the previous mark set in 2014 by 0.23 degrees Fahrenheit (0.13 Celsius).

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...-shattering-global-warm-temperatures-in-2015/


http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

The Six attempts at 'Moving the Goal Posts'

That's not NASA.
...now you're faking charts.
Yet another lie from you, claiming that's chart we bet on.
Are you expecting me to try to figure out your faulty weasel math?
Screw you, I'm not going down that rabbit hole.
It takes a certain kind of person to post something that shows himself to be a lying fool.
Now you're down to copying and pasting random ... quotes as if they had some kind of point to them.


:thumb:

I'm done.
 

Frankfooter

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How sad, moviefan went full on Dunning-Kruger (so ignorant he can't understand how incompetent he is) and is so ashamed all he can do is copy and paste random quotes.
I caught him lying twice in the same thread and then he's back to the same nonsense.
Very sad.
 

basketcase

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That's just anti-science spin. ...
Interesting. Actual data showing the past 16 years have been the hottest since measurements were taken is anti-scientific? Shit you're excuses get more and more laughable.

I'll let you and groggy get back to your infantile arguments.
 

fuji

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Jackson has it right. Human caused global warming is indisputable but what is not clear is how bad it will get and whether it will be something we just adapt to. The world has been much hotter and much colder in the past. We are making it hotter for sure, and it will cause a lot of problems, but maybe we just deal with it.
 

Moviefan-2

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Interesting. Actual data showing the past 16 years have been the hottest since measurements were taken is anti-scientific?
Absolutely. It's just political rhetoric to try to evade the fact that the Earth's temperature has been stagnant in the 21st century.

And I didn't see a response to my question: Are you saying the temperature increase from the last few months wasn't due to El Nino?
 

fuji

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Absolutely. It's just political rhetoric to try to evade the fact that the Earth's temperature has been stagnant in the 21st century.

And I didn't see a response to my question: Are you saying the temperature increase from the last few months wasn't due to El Nino?
Nobody believes you. We can see the data.
 

Moviefan-2

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(Y)ou fixated on the difference between 2014's temperature and the bet, which needed a record year over year increase for me to win.
It was a year-over-year increase of 0.15ºC of the 2014 anomaly from the time of the bet.
NASA said:
Globally-averaged temperatures in 2015 shattered the previous mark set in 2014 by 0.23 degrees Fahrenheit (0.13 Celsius).

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...-shattering-global-warm-temperatures-in-2015/


http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

The Six attempts at 'Moving the Goal Posts'

That's not NASA.
...now you're faking charts.
Yet another lie from you, claiming that's chart we bet on.
Are you expecting me to try to figure out your faulty weasel math?
Screw you, I'm not going down that rabbit hole.
It takes a certain kind of person to post something that shows himself to be a lying fool.
Now you're down to copying and pasting random ... quotes as if they had some kind of point to them.


:thumb:

Very sad.
 

fuji

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Moviefan-2

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Your argument belongs back in the 90s where it was still possible to claim we didn't have the data. Now we have the data.
Man, have you got that backwards.

In the 1990s, there was a strong correlation between increasing man-made greenhouse gas emissions and increasing temperatures. At that time, the argument that there's a connection between the two seemed more plausible.

Since then, the data have become far less convincing -- particularly since the predictions about future trends were completely wrong.

Thanks for the graph showing global temperature continuing to climb.
Not in any statistically significant way, they haven't.

More importantly, the temperature anomalies in the 21st century have been nowhere near what was predicted. As the researchers said, there is a significant mismatch between what was predicted and what has actually been observed.

“There is this mismatch between what the climate models are producing and what the observations are showing,” says lead author John Fyfe, a climate modeller at the Canadian Centre for Climate Modelling and Analysis in Victoria, British Columbia. “We can’t ignore it.”
http://www.nature.com/news/global-warming-hiatus-debate-flares-up-again-1.19414#/b2

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncli...trZLMnaUyec=&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com

In the 21st century, the predictions have been consistently and spectacularly wrong. That confirms the climate researchers have no idea what impact -- if any -- man-made emissions have on the climate.
 

fuji

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Ease up on the crack pipe. I never said any such thing.
Yes you did. You claimed the nonlinear nature of the temperature change disproved the models because they failed to exactly match the prediction. You didn't put it this way, you had some more ignorant way of expressing the idea, but the crux of it was the models didn't exactly fit the data because they made linear predictions.
 

Moviefan-2

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You didn't put it this way, you had some more ignorant way of expressing the idea....
I see. In other words, this is like Frankfooter's assertion that you said Israel is an apartheid state. You didn't quite put it that way .... :biggrin1:

The reality is I said nothing at all that bears any resemblance to your claim.

Furthermore, I didn't say the observed data "failed to exactly match the prediction." That's another imaginary quote.

I said the predictions have been consistently and spectacularly wrong -- in the 21st century, they haven't been close at all.

 

FAST

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Jackson has it right. Human caused global warming is indisputable but what is not clear is how bad it will get and whether it will be something we just adapt to. The world has been much hotter and much colder in the past. We are making it hotter for sure, and it will cause a lot of problems, but maybe we just deal with it.
Actually,...he did NOT say that,...in fact he brings up a very good point that the sky is falling clubs conveniently ignore,...because it would not be to their benefit.

Read his post again, without blinders on.

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bishop

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Jackson has it right. Human caused global warming is indisputable but what is not clear is how bad it will get and whether it will be something we just adapt to. The world has been much hotter and much colder in the past. We are making it hotter for sure, and it will cause a lot of problems, but maybe we just deal with it.
I am trying to reconcile how you can say "Human caused global warming is indisputable" and in the next sentence say "The world has been much hotter and much colder in the past".

You are saying that temperature has in the past risen and fallen without the involvement of AGW and yet you believe that AGW is the sole cause of our current temperature rise. How does that make sense?

We do not know why in the past temperature changed the way it did, it is a blackhole of uncertainty, yet you are able to pull out a certainty that AGW is real from that blackhole?
 

Frankfooter

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I am trying to reconcile how you can say "Human caused global warming is indisputable" and in the next sentence say "The world has been much hotter and much colder in the past".

You are saying that temperature has in the past risen and fallen without the involvement of AGW and yet you believe that AGW is the sole cause of our current temperature rise. How does that make sense?

We do not know why in the past temperature changed the way it did, it is a blackhole of uncertainty, yet you are able to pull out a certainty that AGW is real from that blackhole?
Bloomberg has a very clear graphic that answers your question.
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

Take a look at all the possible 'natural' factors and what we know is happening.
Its very clear.
 

Frankfooter

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Man, have you got that backwards.

In the 1990s, there was a strong correlation between increasing man-made greenhouse gas emissions and increasing temperatures. At that time, the argument that there's a connection between the two seemed more plausible.
This is what you call static?
You really are an idiot.



And this is what you call spectacularly wrong?
Idiot.

 
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