Black people 'disproportionately' arrested, assaulted by Toronto police: OHRC

[black booty lover]

Pure spam, most have no replies.

It's bizarre.

That's probably the best thing to do. I decided I'll make fun of him on any threads he starts without actually engaging in the subject matter.

 

[TeeJay]

But the data that you're citing, to suit your own narrative, is not relevant data until you control that data for wealth/poverty.

If you could ascertain through your data that the wealthy guys who comprise the L.A. Lakers commit more crime than, say, the Minnesota North Stars (of similar wealth, for this example)... then you'd be sharing some data that meant something.

As is, you're just parroting other people who don't understand what they're talking about.

No idea why dragging North Stars into this (esp since I think they DISPROVE the point you are trying to make...)

The North Stars were (comparatively) one of the NHL franchises who massively overpaid their players compared to league averages
Multiple times the team nearly went bankrupt as a result

The team had so much dough they abused the crap out of fans
Even when they played in the playoffs, such as 1991, you had to PAY PER VIEW their games or buy a ticket
The fans in Toronto would riot if that was the normal
(actually many successful teams in the 80s had huge team salaries, another dominant team was Calgary imagine they outspent teams like Rangers and Kings to win their cups)



The Lakers on flip side are not even the highest paid team in the NBA, plus have operated under a salary cap for at least 40 years

 

[TeeJay]

LOL - talk about trolling


... the above is further a function of the cops heavily policing mostly the poor... and only idiots allow themselves to believe that some black/white distribution among the data is connected to racism.

Learn to read stats my man
There are MORE poor INDIANS than BLACKS
There are MORE poor CHINESE than BLACKS

Heck percentage wise there are MORE poor ARABS than BLACKS, even more poor KOREANS than BLACKS

So
IF Blacks are not the poorest community your argument that the poverty that Blacks endure is the root cause of crime is obviously false


To the contrary I will argue the social aspect of the Black Community is by far the biggest reason for crime
Its a stereotype but
Black fathers abandoning Black mothers and Black children
vs
Asian fathers who leave children with grandparents

Black parents who let kids run wild
vs
Asian parents who force kids to go to school and study


Dont get me wrong there certainly are criminal elements in Chinese + Indian familes
But walk through a ghetto in an Asian neighbourhood then walk through a Black one
The majority of Black problems are self inflicted


Oh and StatsCan link for the level of low income people since I know you wont even listen without "proof"

Visible Minority (15), Individual Low-income Status (6), Low-income Indicators (4), Generation Status (4), Age (6) and Sex (3) for the Population in Private Households of Canada, Provinces and Territories, Census Metropolitan Areas and Census Agglomerations, 2016 Census - 25% Sample Data

This table presents visible minority, individual low-income status, low-income indicators, generation status, age and sex for the population in private households of Canada, provinces and territories, census metropolitan areas and census agglomerations.

www12.statcan.gc.ca

 

[TeeJay]

But it is true that "Black" -> more likely to be poor.

Not in Canada

Asian is 3 times as likely to be poor than Black
So why are Indian & Chinese nowhere near the crime levels of Black people?

Poor is a factor but the community and what is acceptable is a far larger issue
(Heck look at the latest Wisconsin "outrage". They are basically cheering for a man who abused and raped women. I mean cmon really. I wont shed a tear he was shot)

 

[yomero5]

He's been at it for years, banned for trolling/spamming under at least two other previous handles Twizz and yung_dude. Starts right back up again.

Over in the political forum, he has at least 30-35 threads on the first 1-2-3 pages. Pure spam, most have no replies.

It's bizarre.

But his current username makes him sound old, wise and noble, LOL!

 

[yomero5]

To Asians, family is everything. Huge sacrifices are made for them. Making an honest, but humble living is honorable, and being involved in criminal activities is shameful. It seems the opposite is true for many black men.

 

[TeeJay]

To Asians, family is everything. Huge sacrifices are made for them. Making an honest, but humble living is honorable, and being involved in criminal activities is shameful. It seems the opposite is true for many black men.

Asians (south + east) are also far more likely to be working at menial low paying jobs

 

[redshank]

But his current username makes him sound old, wise and noble, LOL!

What are the odds that the real Charlemagne was racist? Racism/White Supremacy are your major issue on this board then take the name of an 8th Century European ruler. I’m sure he had real progressive views. 8th century Euros were known for that

 

[IM469]

Am I wrong but that guy backed toward his car and reaches inside it when the police told him not to move? Or should the police wait till he grabs his gun and starts shooting? He did not have a gun? Well, how the police could know it and what they should assume when a men reaches for something in his car when he was told not to? If police tells you not to do something - do not do it.

So your training to white cops is " if you can't see a black man's other hand - start shooting ? What I saw was a fucking assassination - 7 bullets into the back of a man trying to get into a car .. oh wait ... he was black - my bad. No racial stereotyping in any of your arguments. I guess Masai Ujiri a black man reaching his tags could should have been shot in case he was reaching for a gun, We all know blacks are all criminals, right ? And the black jogger - how many blacks have run from the law ? - he's black shoot him ! .

 

[Gallen21]

So your training to white cops is " if you can't see a black man's other hand - start shooting ? What I saw was a fucking assassination - 7 bullets into the back of a man trying to get into a car .. oh wait ... he was black - my bad. No racial stereotyping in any of your arguments. I guess Masai Ujiri a black man reaching his tags could should have been shot in case he was reaching for a gun, We all know blacks are all criminals, right ? And the black jogger - how many blacks have run from the law ? - he's black shoot him ! .

You were not the one in dangerous situation of dealing with violent criminals. Of course you would say that.

 

[yomero5]

What are the odds that the real Charlemagne was racist? Racism/White Supremacy are your major issue on this board then take the name of an 8th Century European ruler. I’m sure he had real progressive views. 8th century Euros were known for that

Let's think of an appropriate name for his next reincarnation: Joan of Arc, Ghandi, MLK?

 

[basketcase]

Yes, help for people to get out of poverty is needed regardless of the race. This is a multi-generation task: incentives for kids to get proper training for blue-colour profession so that they will be able to have their own kids to be at the same level as kids in middle class families. But for this to work, the crime must stop, ...

The first part is bang on (though I see no reason why the focus should only be on blue collar jobs, especially since many of those jobs have been sent overseas in the past decades) but how is the pressures of criminal lifestyle supposed to go away immediately while the underlying conditions that cause it still exist?

The way I see it, the gradual reduction in criminal gangster behaviour will come along with the gradual increases in support. if you want to really investigate, you can compare the amount of street crime in Toronto to similar sized American cities. It's not the only reason but thanks to the community services available here, it is far easier for youth to see success from non-criminal options than it is for many poor Americans whether living in urban ghettos or the trailer park.

 

[basketcase]

Unfortunately, for many children the solution will be a group home. So, basically, the main reason black people have problems is behaviour of their parents

Main reason is poverty and lack of hope. Yes their parents could have beat the odds and overcome the obstacles but beating the odds isn't the expected outcome.

If their parents are to blame then their parents were to blame and so on until we get back to parents who were slaves. Is that the argument you want to make?


BTW. Do poor white parents get similar blame?

 

[basketcase]

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Really I fail to see any issue here
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Other than cops firing before they identified if there was a weapon or if he actually intended to grab it?

 

[Darts]

Three more shootings to-night. Police investigating.

Last night police arrested three 16 old boys/youths for another shooting.

Who is doing all these shootings?

 

[yomero5]

Three more shootings to-night. Police investigating.

Last night police arrested three 16 old boys/youths for another shooting.

Who is doing all these shootings?

Chinese, Indians, Russians? Am I getting warmer?

 

[TeeJay]

Other than cops firing before they identified if there was a weapon or if he actually intended to grab it?

You seem to be ignoring the "drop the knife" which is clearly heard during video
But yeah I am sure they randomly shout that without seeing a weapon at poor black rapists on a regular basis

 

[barnacler]

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So apparently YOU don't understand statistics (particularly as you think there are only 4 possibilities as listed) .

The factual reality is that blacks are not 'targeted' (by law enforcement) at all.

For it is -the poor- who "... commit more crimes than the rest of the population, and are fairly targeted on that basis"... and the racial overlap among the subset of humanity who are poor, is not something created by police in any exceptional way.

But what 2020 society and the media which pretends to represent it, fail to do, is acknowledge that while the rest of us are sitting in boardrooms, and talking to people in H.R. ... and having corporate lunches... police are conditioned on an hourly basis to believe that POC = poor = more likely to commit crime.

And that alone is the crux of the problem.

The solution remains to dissociate race from any sort of indication of financial well-being.

We all know we can do this...

For if Grant Fuhr is the person milling around back in your sports equipment store, and you know it, you're not watching all of the closed circuit cameras intently. You're glad he's there, and you wish you could figure out who to tell, in your own personal life (that would score you 'points' somehow)... but not once do you expect Grant Fuhr to steal from you.

Grant Fuhr may even be looking around oddly, up and down each aisle... but he's looking around to see if he's likely to be recognized, not to see if store security is looking.




As for the last part: You don't understand what you're talking about.

It is indisputable that "all races are equally likely to commit crimes".

BUT 'race' is independently irrelevant data, and should be treated as such.

IF, say, 1 in every 6 Jamaican Canadians is poor... and 1 in every 27 Japanese Canadians is poor.

And if we accept that the poor commit far more crimes per capita than other subsets of society... then it is still true that crime data studied for race should find 4.5X the rate of Jamaican Canadians committing crimes as do Japanese Canadians... over a long study with a statistically-significant sample size (and not just a medium-sized list of all who have ever been gunned-down by the Bacon brothers)

Lastly, of course none of that supports any hint that Japanese Canadians are in any way better than Jamaican Canadians. (which is the inferred perception at the root of the whole problem)

Well, you make a lot of totally unsubstantiated statements. I did not. I talked about the possibilities, and what the data in the study does NOT definitely show.


"The factual reality is that blacks are not 'targeted' (by law enforcement) at all."

Blacks COULD be targeted - what evidence do you have that they are - or are not? Please provide (factual!) evidence for your 'factual reality', as you put it (as opposed I guess to either to non-factual reality, or factual non-reality, or non-factual non-reality!) Should be easy, since it is factual, after all. Unless it's own a fact that you FEEL to be true.

" police are conditioned on an hourly basis to believe tha..." etc

Evidence of this conditioning, please?

"It is indisputable that "all races are equally likely to commit crimes".

Only if there is indisputable evidence...... which I would love to see from you.

 

[Darts]

Question: How do blacks treat other minority groups?
Short answer: Not good
Long answer: Not good

1) Koreans

The LA riots were a rude awakening for Korean-Americans | CNN

Twenty-five years after the LA riots, Korean-Americans remember how it profoundly shaped their sense of their place in US society.

www.cnn.com

2) Hmongs

For One Immigrant Community, George Floyd's Death Isn't Just About Black And White

George Floyd's death isn't just a story about a black man and the white cop charged with his murder. Among Asian Americans, the involvement of Hmong officer Tou Thao is stirring a racial debate.

www.npr.org

3) Jeremy Lin

 

[Gallen21]

Question: How do blacks treat other minority groups?
Short answer: Not good
Long answer: Not good

1) Koreans

The LA riots were a rude awakening for Korean-Americans | CNN

Twenty-five years after the LA riots, Korean-Americans remember how it profoundly shaped their sense of their place in US society.

www.cnn.com

2) Hmongs

For One Immigrant Community, George Floyd's Death Isn't Just About Black And White

George Floyd's death isn't just a story about a black man and the white cop charged with his murder. Among Asian Americans, the involvement of Hmong officer Tou Thao is stirring a racial debate.

www.npr.org

3) Jeremy Lin

Exactly! Carmelo Anthony was jealous of Jeremy Lin's success so he played his selfish one-on-one game and wanted all the glory despite causing harm to the team chemistry.