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redshank

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But the data that you're citing, to suit your own narrative, is not relevant data until you control that data for wealth/poverty.

If you could ascertain through your data that the wealthy guys who comprise the L.A. Lakers commit more crime than, say, the Minnesota North Stars

Minnesota North Stars???

You might want to take your nose out of the Effects of Poverty literature you seem so interested in for a bit

I guess we could also compare the crime committed by the wealthy guys who compromise Kool and the Gang vs the ones in Hall & Oates
 

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Crime stats are available by race for the US. Last I saw, blacks committed, depending on the category, between 28 and 52 percent of crime. They are only about 13 percent of the population.
FBI statistics from 2017 show that blacks committed 27.2% of all crimes, 37.5% of all violent crimes and 52% of all murders. Your #'s are bang on, well done.
 

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Who gives a fuck. Why we feeding the troll? Every time he post one of these dumb ass threads we should all just dump all over him without actually engaging in the subject matter.
 
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But it is true that "Black" -> more likely to be poor. And it is also true that " poor" -> " more likely to commit crime". Which, by transitivity rule, implies "black" -> "more likely to commit crime". It seems you misunderstand the "->" for "=" in your logic and, somehow, pool together blacks with other POC. So, what do you suggest police should do? Ignore the facts? Ignore the rules of formal logic and mathematics? Are you one of those who say "do not let the facts to prevent use from seeing the truth?" Because no matter what anyone thinks, the mathematical rules are not something the government or society can change.
These are people not mathematical constants that you give up and pigeon hole into a default category. Of course society can change it. Many gangs of all colours through history have been birthed in the ghettos. I agree with your statements but differ on the conclusion as it presents an ipso facto unchangeable result. If you are poor and black - you are attracted to street gangs as police and society have already labelled you. I don't say you put flowers in the guns pointed at your head but you should be focusing an cleaning up the sewer that is the source. If you paint everyone by statistics then you could be a good person and still have cops called on you, get shot jogging in the streets or in the eyes of untrained cops - be a murderer until proven innocent.

As a middle of the road moderate, I am the target of extremists on both sides of the fence. I understand the frustration behind the BLM but I don't believe in radically defunding the police department. I would rather see better financing of social workers as an integral crime prevention strategy over financing more armament to prepare police to fight a war.

I don't know the answers but doing nothing and expecting a different result is not a logical solution.
 

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These are people not mathematical constants that you give up and pigeon hole into a default category. Of course society can change it. Many gangs of all colours through history have been birthed in the ghettos. I agree with your statements but differ on the conclusion as it presents an ipso facto unchangeable result. If you are poor and black - you are attracted to street gangs as police and society have already labelled you. I don't say you put flowers in the guns pointed at your head but you should be focusing an cleaning up the sewer that is the source. If you paint everyone by statistics then you could be a good person and still have cops called on you, get shot jogging in the streets or in the eyes of untrained cops - be a murderer until proven innocent.

As a middle of the road moderate, I am the target of extremists on both sides of the fence. I understand the frustration behind the BLM but I don't believe in radically defunding the police department. I would rather see better financing of social workers as an integral crime prevention strategy over financing more armament to prepare police to fight a war.

I don't know the answers but doing nothing and expecting a different result is not a logical solution.
Yes, help for people to get out of poverty is needed regardless of the race. This is a multi-generation task: incentives for kids to get proper training for blue-colour profession so that they will be able to have their own kids to be at the same level as kids in middle class families. But for this to work, the crime must stop, and to do it, people who live in bad neighbourhoods must help police to fight the crime. until them, ignoring statistical rules is neither logical nor efficient. Yes, black people in USA got a short straw relative to white people in the same circumstances, but they surely are better off then most of black people in Africa or the majority of the word population. They are better off than most white people in Russia. The word is not just, but the help that we can provide in no way means that we should ignore simple rules of mathematics in our decision making.
 

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1) But for this to work, the crime must stop, and to do it, people who live in bad neighbourhoods must help police to fight the crime. until them, ignoring statistical rules is neither logical nor efficient.

2) Yes, black people in USA got a short straw relative to white people in the same circumstances, but they surely are better off then most of black people in Africa or the majority of the word population. They are better off than most white people in Russia. The word is not just, but the help that we can provide in no way means that we should ignore simple rules of mathematics in our decision making.
1) So you help the cops haul away your children, the neighbours, etc - there is no cure - the next generation just fills the void and the cycle continues. Where is the incentive ? You placate the whites so they can carry on unthreatened and happy with the status quo. You are left trapped in a sewer. We need social workers (I might be misusing the term) - people that will go in the neighborhoods offering a realistic path to the same opportunities that WASPs have traditionally enjoyed. There has to be a path out - ie: hope. I could be a certifiable looney - but I can't help but think of the lost human resources left untapped in that wilderness.

2) The 'you should be happy for what you got, so stop complaining' is more of a justification to the status quo than recognition that there has to be a change.

So am I leaning left now ? While I want to close the source - I do want those who break the law held accountable.. The law must apply to all equally or we will have chaos.
 

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1) So you help the cops haul away your children, the neighbours, etc - there is no cure - the next generation just fills the void and the cycle continues. Where is the incentive ? You placate the whites so they can carry on unthreatened and happy with the status quo. You are left trapped in a sewer. We need social workers (I might be misusing the term) - people that will go in the neighborhoods offering a realistic path to the same opportunities that WASPs have traditionally enjoyed. There has to be a path out - ie: hope. I could be a certifiable looney - but I can't help but think of the lost human resources left untapped in that wilderness.

2) The 'you should be happy for what you got, so stop complaining' is more of a justification to the status quo than recognition that there has to be a change.

So am I leaning left now ? While I want to close the source - I do want those who break the law held accountable.. The law must apply to all equally or we will have chaos.
Wow,, this is an example of a gross misinterpretation of what I said.

1) Yes, you help the cops to take away criminals. I understand it may not be possible if these criminals are your children, but definitely if they are your neighbours. If you do not want to do it - you are the criminal yourself and should not get help or the right to complaint. Incentives: material help that is hard to materialise (perishable food, free meals), scholarships for children, loans for students (including 2-year college students) based on parent's income, etc. Something that is not possible to turn into alcohol, tobacco, or drugs that provide sufficient nutrition + financial help to get education.

2) Life is not just. Complaining makes it worse. Doing something without complaining and demanding is the way to go. And there are many existing programs that allows willing people for a decent life without crime and getting their children (through education) into the low-mid class level. Lots of people immigrated to U.S. from many countries over the last 50 years with virtually nothing and pretty bad English, yet, most of them make something of themselves and their children have decent life and their grandchildren are in mid-class. Blacks who lived in the U.S. all their lives had better starting position then these immigrants.
 

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A child's developmental years, say 0-5, are critical to their future success. Their success is largely determined by the time they enter elementary school. Interventions in the homes of many families during these early years is critical to their success because unfortunately many of the parents just aren't adequately skilled. While it should be the responsibility of the parents, many parents are incapable so if you want to improve a groups lot in life, it has to be via governmental social programs with the ability to intervene early.
 

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A child's developmental years, say 0-5, are critical to their future success. Their success is largely determined by the time they enter elementary school. Interventions in the homes of many families during these early years is critical to their success because unfortunately many of the parents just aren't adequately skilled. While it should be the responsibility of the parents, many parents are incapable so if you want to improve a groups lot in life, it has to be via governmental social programs with the ability to intervene early.
Unfortunately, for many children the solution will be a group home. So, basically, the main reason black people have problems is behaviour of their parents
 

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Unfortunately, for many children the solution will be a group home. So, basically, the main reason black people have problems is behaviour of their parents
It's unfortunate that a group home is likely a better situation for so many kids.
 

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Hasn't this whole BLT thing blown over yet
Finally out of the news and back to more interesting stuff
 

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Hasn't this whole BLT thing blown over yet
Finally out of the news and back to more interesting stuff
" Wisconsin police shoot a black man in the back as his children watch from a vehicle "
Call it a wild ass hunch - but BLT isn't a fad - it's social condition. With technology to record abuse in the palm of your hand - it can't be ignored.
 

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" Wisconsin police shoot a black man in the back as his children watch from a vehicle "
Call it a wild ass hunch - but BLT isn't a fad - it's social condition. With technology to record abuse in the palm of your hand - it can't be ignored.
Am I wrong but that guy backed toward his car and reaches inside it when the police told him not to move? Or should the police wait till he grabs his gun and starts shooting? He did not have a gun? Well, how the police could know it and what they should assume when a men reaches for something in his car when he was told not to? If police tells you not to do something - do not do it.
 
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" Wisconsin police shoot a black man in the back as his children watch from a vehicle "
Call it a wild ass hunch - but BLT isn't a fad - it's social condition. With technology to record abuse in the palm of your hand - it can't be ignored.
I really have issue with who the black community keeps choosing to cheer for
Blake had multiple arrests, and pending future charges (he is an abuser of women and a rapist lol)

Online court records indicate Kenosha County prosecutors charged Blake on July 6 with third-degree sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct in connection with domestic abuse. An arrest warrant was issued for Blake the following day.

Third Degree Sexual Assault: A person can be imprisoned not more than five years or fined not more than $10,000 for committing third degree sexual assault. This includes:

Sexual intercourse with a person without consent of that person, or
Sexual contact with intentional penile ejaculation with a person without consent of that person.



Domestic dispute issue
Blake resists arrest (we don't know what happens at start of video but for sure he was PUNCHED and TASED)
Any person with half a brain should de-escalate at that point
But nope
He walks towards a car WITH A KNIFE
Is ordered to stop and does not
Gets shot

Really I fail to see any issue here
Cops were called to a domestic dispute with a charged rapist / abuser of women
Her life is worth more than his in this situation sorry


Afterwards black community in retaliation loots, arsons, and murders at least 3 others in retaliation
Its like the inmates are running the asylum
 
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Am I wrong but that guy backed toward his car and reaches inside it when the police told him not to move? Or should the police wait till he grabs his gun and starts shooting? He did not have a gun? Well, how the police could know it and what they should assume when a men reaches for something in his car when he was told not to? If police tells you not to do something - do not do it.
It's fucking ridiculous bro. Especially in the U.S where it's not uncommon for someone to shoot an officer.
 

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It's the OP's life goal to promote it on escort review boards.
He's been at it for years, banned for trolling/spamming under at least two other previous handles Twizz and yung_dude. Starts right back up again.

Over in the political forum, he has at least 30-35 threads on the first 1-2-3 pages. Pure spam, most have no replies.

It's bizarre.
 
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