BJ has been admitted to hospital.

[Cantaro]

I wish the guy well, I dont agree with his policies but he does not deserve to get sick.
.

Classy reply, some people have very little class.

 

[squeezer]

So there is better data in icu disposition published yesterday. Since we have only been at the peak of this for 1-2 months now and average time requiring ventilation is 20+ days in some studies we don’t quite know the exact outcomes since a lot do the people admitted to Icu are still there. But this paper has the largest western case series. Results are

“Among the 1581 patients with ICU disposition data available as of March 25, 2020, 920 patients (58% [95% CI, 56%-61%]) were still in the ICU, 256 (16% [95% CI, 14%-18%]) were discharged from the ICU, and 405 (26% [95% CI, 23%-28%]) had died in the ICU. Older patients (n = 786; age ≥64 years) had higher mortality than younger patients (n = 795; age ≤63 years) (36% vs 15%; difference, 21% [95% CI, 17%-26%]; “
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...61&utm_campaign=article_alert&linkId=85925880

Wow, the death rate doubles the discharged rate once in ICU. That is scary shit.

 

[Ben19]

Wow, the death rate doubles the discharged rate once in ICU. That is scary shit.

Once you’re in the ICU that usually means that you require active support to live and in the context of COVID that usually means you are in what’s called ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome ) which is essentially flooding of the lungs with fluids and inflammatory / toxic cells.

What the Icu has that other units dont is
1) Access to ventilators / reap support
2) Access to procedures and medications required for maintaining cardiac output
3) 1:1 nursing
4) medical expertise on life support


If he is in there for reasons 1-2 then his chance of survival is low. But I suspect given that he is the PM they have moved him there for the medical expertise and as a precaution in case he needs life support (atleast I hope for the sake of him and his unborn child ).

 

[james t kirk]

If he's on a ventilator he's done.

If he checks out it is ironic the next PM in that country will be a Jew (his father was Jewish) and he's married to a Brazilian. And let's not forget the British crown has a black chick in the family. Oh what happened to all that British exceptionalism?

I'm not gay but at least Raab will be more presentable as a leader than Johnson. Boris looked like a homeless whino.

Raab is Church of England.

And Johnson is not dead yet. The British seem to love the guy. Even JT gets along with him.

 

[jackal2006]

If he's in ICU chances are he's gone. For all we know he is likely already gone and they're hiding the fact to get proper sucession work in order. It would not be the first time this political trick is done.

But why are we worried about him. Let's hope our leaders don't get it. Doug Ford is working hard and I would hate to lose his leadership. I could give a shit if the UK goes under. I don't pay taxes there.

For his family I hope he makes it but as statistics go he's pretty much done. Even if he gets out he won't ever be 100%.

 

[mandrill]

Once you’re in the ICU that usually means that you require active support to live and in the context of COVID that usually means you are in what’s called ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome ) which is essentially flooding of the lungs with fluids and inflammatory / toxic cells.

What the Icu has that other units dont is
1) Access to ventilators / reap support
2) Access to procedures and medications required for maintaining cardiac output
3) 1:1 nursing
4) medical expertise on life support


If he is in there for reasons 1-2 then his chance of survival is low. But I suspect given that he is the PM they have moved him there for the medical expertise and as a precaution in case he needs life support (atleast I hope for the sake of him and his unborn child ).

The only thing that makes me skeptical is wondering if ICU beds in the UK - and everywhere else - are at a premium right now. Meaning that only the truly desperate cases get them, regardless of what job you do.

 

[shack]

If he's in ICU chances are he's gone. For all we know he is likely already gone and they're hiding the fact to get proper sucession work in order. It would not be the first time this political trick is done.

But why are we worried about him. Let's hope our leaders don't get it. Doug Ford is working hard and I would hate to lose his leadership. I could give a shit if the UK goes under. I don't pay taxes there.

For his family I hope he makes it but as statistics go he's pretty much done. Even if he gets out he won't ever be 100%.

Unless I missed reports, the last I heard was that he was in ICU, receiving oxygen therapy but NOT on a ventilator and in stable condition.

 

[Jubee]

I'll believe he's dead when he's dead and we never see him again. Otherwise, you can't trust any news outlets.

 

[mandrill]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-path-speci-idUSKBN21P1VF

A long and detailed special report from Reuters placing the blame widely for Britain's fumbled response to the COVID-19 virus.

 

[wigglee]

People who think like you are sick in the head.

Both Johnson and Trump are responsible for thousands of deaths due to their ignorant handling of the crisis. Is it sick to hope that they face karmic justice?

 

[Jubee]

Shocker, he's feeling a bit better, still no pictures, before, after and during his ordeal.

Gve him a few days, he'll be out and about.

 

[WyattEarp]

Both Johnson and Trump are responsible for thousands of deaths due to their ignorant handling of the crisis. Is it sick to hope that they face karmic justice?

This is probably the most myopic comment on the forum. Projecting your hatred of politicians on to the virus is silly. The virus is far greater than any one country and their leader. The statistics piling up around the world demonstrate that every day.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Is it sick to hope that they face karmic justice?

Yes it is.

Boris is said to be doing better: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nsons-condition-improving-PM-sitting-bed.html

 

[K Douglas]

Both Johnson and Trump are responsible for thousands of deaths due to their ignorant handling of the crisis. Is it sick to hope that they face karmic justice?

No its the Chinese and the UN that are responsible because they failed to alert countries of the seriousness of this illness when they should have. How many deaths did Trump save alone from putting on the Chinese travel ban January 31, before any other country had done? A ban that was highly criticized by your side of the spectrum as being racist and xenophobic.

 

[John Wick]

Once you’re in the ICU that usually means that you require active support to live and in the context of COVID that usually means you are in what’s called ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome ) which is essentially flooding of the lungs with fluids and inflammatory / toxic cells.

What the Icu has that other units dont is
1) Access to ventilators / reap support
2) Access to procedures and medications required for maintaining cardiac output
3) 1:1 nursing
4) medical expertise on life support


If he is in there for reasons 1-2 then his chance of survival is low. But I suspect given that he is the PM they have moved him there for the medical expertise and as a precaution in case he needs life support (atleast I hope for the sake of him and his unborn child ).

Sadly, ventilators not really viewed as a savior....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/08/coronavirus-cases-ventilators-covid-19/2950167001/

 

[WyattEarp]

Sadly, ventilators not really viewed as a savior....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/08/coronavirus-cases-ventilators-covid-19/2950167001/

When I started hearing this info, I was very upset with the panic coverage over ventilators. Various medical authorities, Governors were decrying that they would have to choose who lives and who dies. It sounds like doctors know who has a chance at survival and who does not. However, modern doctors want to be able to give everyone a shot no matter how remote their chances of survival.

In any event, the great ventilator crisis has not materialized in most countries.

 

[Ben19]

Sadly, ventilators not really viewed as a savior....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/08/coronavirus-cases-ventilators-covid-19/2950167001/

Correct. When someone is in a ventilator you are no longer in control the disease is and your just trying to catch up and often fail to do so.

As someone who actually has ICU training (I don’t actually practice it though) after a certain age I do not want to be in a ventilator period. It is still essential. It’s the only hope for many people including young ones .

 

[Insidious Von]

Here is the most accurate report on Boris Johnson's condition.

 

[Smash]

Reports say he's sitting up in bed. :applouse:
Great news

 

[bebe]

Reports say he's sitting up in bed. :applouse:
Great news

Means very little. There is a button to make the bed go up and down. Critical thing is the amount of O2 he gets. 4 litre is the threshold prior to a vent