The rich will always be able to afford the soon to be sky high prices. What do they care? That is why they are called rich. They can also afford to travel abroad to satisfy their base urges.
LG
Bill C-36 tabled (New Prostitution Law)
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They also have the best lawyers to get them off (no pun intended) if they do get caught.
Wishful thinking. The SCC does not review laws. It reviews cases. Someone has to be charged under this law, face criminal conviction, and fight it all the way to the SCC.
Who is going to step up to the plate? Who will pay the many tens of thousands in legal costs?
It may take ten or twenty years for a case to reach the supreme court. In that time thousands will be prosecuted and convicted, not have the bankroll to appeal, and their criminal records will stand even if the law is later overturned.
So let me get this straight:
Sex worker advertises for sex (which is legal).
Client responds and meets sex-worker.
Sex takes place and client refuses to pay because he's afraid the cops are outside waiting to arrest him for buying sex.
Sex-worker makes complaint of theft to the police (waiting outside).
Client convicted of theft and court orders restitution.
Client makes restitution and gets arrested for buying sex.
Court aids and abets the buying of sex, an illegal transaction. Court promotes an illegal act.
Does that make any sense?
Sex worker advertises for sex (which is legal).
Client responds and meets sex-worker.
Sex takes place and client refuses to pay because he's afraid the cops are outside waiting to arrest him for buying sex.
Sex-worker makes complaint of theft to the police (waiting outside).
Client convicted of theft and court orders restitution.
Client makes restitution and gets arrested for buying sex.
Court aids and abets the buying of sex, an illegal transaction. Court promotes an illegal act.
Does that make any sense?
Ok honestly guys...this is politics, nothing more. That had to do something so they did. The point is still trafficking and exploitation. Street walkers are fucked but how many of you see them? A couple people will get arrested, very publicly oat likely, so they can get the pr and then the status quo returns. Established agencies and indies, and their clients, have nothing to worry about. Also, I could see motels being "targeted", briefly, but not hotels. I wouldn't go near dundas and 427...but I wouldn't have anyway. I'd probably also stay away from fresh faces on bp with even a nominal hint of tgtbt to them. Beyond that, there's a whole lotta unnecessary panic going on.
The only thing that needs to be established is proof beyond a reasonable doubt which is not the same as absolute proof which is practically impossible to obtain. When the bill passes it won't be long before there are convictions.
Let's see if Alan Grant steps into the breach and does this? The agencies will be more than happy to pay for a Charter Challenge. And it will only take a year or so for the first level courts to overturn this law and set the precedent.
Correct.
A great many posters here are confused about the role of the Supreme Court of Canada. This is NOT the United States. The SCC does NOT review every law passed by the Federal parliament to rule on its legality.
Although, that said, the Federal Gov't could request that the Supreme Court review the law and rule on it, however, why on earth would the Reform party under Harper do that. First off, we've all seen how much respect Harper has for the Supreme Court, second off, he wants this legislation passed.
Failing the gov't referring this bill or law to the Supreme Court, the law could be challenged in a lower court, but this will take time and someone to challenge the law in court (and I believe (though I could be wrong) that that someone would need to be a victim of the law, i.e. arrested under the law.)
Seems like MacKay got a heads-up from Justice officials about a $175,000 survey on public attitudes toward prostitution
that the government funded but the results didn't fit his political agenda and so he buried it.:
"...The cynicism that marked its introduction has mirrored the farce of the public consultation process. As La Presse revealed Wednesday, a $175,000 survey on public attitudes toward prostitution was commissioned by the government but Mr. MacKay was warned in a memo by Justice officials in January that the results may contradict government policy. The report was promptly shelved and the results won’t be published until the new bill has been sent to committee.
Instead, the government published an online consultation that fit with its preferred result – a majority suggesting the purchase of sexual services should be an offence."
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...ays-prostitution-law-a-failure-on-all-counts/
that the government funded but the results didn't fit his political agenda and so he buried it.:
"...The cynicism that marked its introduction has mirrored the farce of the public consultation process. As La Presse revealed Wednesday, a $175,000 survey on public attitudes toward prostitution was commissioned by the government but Mr. MacKay was warned in a memo by Justice officials in January that the results may contradict government policy. The report was promptly shelved and the results won’t be published until the new bill has been sent to committee.
Instead, the government published an online consultation that fit with its preferred result – a majority suggesting the purchase of sexual services should be an offence."
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...ays-prostitution-law-a-failure-on-all-counts/
You clearly don't get it. These so-called "reputable" agencies and "established indies" and their clients are no better than the streetwalkers and their clients in the eyes of the people in favour of these changes. Give your head a shake.
Agreed.
It will be like shooting fish in a barrel for LE.
The current Sex Industry in Toronto DEPENDS / NEEDS the internet to survive. If they (the sex workers) go dark with respect to their websites, they will be crippled. They will have no choice but to continue to advertise on line in order to survive and as such, will be easy pickings for LE.
Even our beloved TERB - it depends on advertising dollars. That advertising will now become illegal. Doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
D-Fens;494******** said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041501564.html
A federal jury convicted Deborah Jeane Palfrey yesterday of running a Washington-area call-girl ring in the guise of "a high-end erotic fantasy service," rejecting her argument that she was unaware for 13 years that female escorts she employed were performing sex acts with clients for money.
You first chicken little (you know, he of 'the sky is falling' fame) Feel free to admit you were wrong and overreacted, though clearly you're hardly alone, in a few months. I'll be around.
Do you have any idea of the logistical nightmare your worst case scenario would be to implement? Oh right, you're too busy prothletizing to put any logical thought behind what you write
Amen.
To those saying "unnecessary panic" and so on: yeah you're right, its ONLY 5 years in prison and a criminal record!
You first chicken little (you know, he of 'the sky is falling' fame) Feel free to admit you were wrong and overreacted, though clearly you're hardly alone, in a few months. I'll be around.
Do you have any idea of the logistical nightmare your worst case scenario would be to implement? Oh right, you're too busy prothletizing to put any logical thought behind what you write. Guess what, the people who "favour" these Ganges mean nothing, they aren't the ones enforcing, so settle down Orwell.
