bill 36 101 - whens the soonest it could be implemented

[lomotil]

Can the Attorney Generals of each province choose to selectively ignore or enforce certain parts of the proposed new law and if so, what can the federal government do about it? Since the government has effectively ignored the Supreme Court of Canada's Ruling in composing the new laws, can the provinces do the same to Ottawa as the ongoing pissing match between Harper and the SOC continues? It seems now that the only laws being enforced now are the human trafficking or underaged laws. Since prostitution is a neccessary and perpetual evil, never to be eradicated, in a relativiely liberal country like Canada, whatever legislation is on the books will always be heading to the Supreme Court of Canada for legal arguments from now on.

 

[red]

Can the Attorney Generals of each province choose to selective ignore or enforce certain parts of the proposed new law and if so, what can the federal government do about it? Since the government has effectively ignored the Supreme Court of Canada's Ruling in composing the new laws, can the provinces do the same to Ottawa as the ongoing pissing match between Harper and the SOC continues? It seems now that the only laws being enforced now are the human trafficking or underaged laws. Since prostitution is a neccessary and perpetual evil, never to be eradicated, in a relativiely liberal country like Canada, whatever legislation is on the books will always be heading to the Supreme Court of Canada for legal arguments from now on.

Yes- I think a big part of the uncertainty is what the final wording will be and how it will be enforced across the country

It will be quite different in toronto and vaughan, different in Montreal and different in vancouver and calgary

 

[cyberboy81]

I hate conservatives so much, I cant wait for the next election. I'm getting everyone i know to vote for Libs, i'm so sick of this gestapo bullshit. Fucking now ill be risking 5 years in jail and 5k fine because i had sex with an escort??? (not to mention criminal record which in turn will ruin your life...) wtf is this shit...this is worse then North Korea.

 

[Piratos]

Not just Hitler but his entire "Con" artist corrupt party.

Not to deceive anyone just to clarify that my problem is not really with the new bill C-36 as I am not personally affected (unless they ban dancers and strip bars too) but rather the dictatorial undemocratic manner they have been conducting themselves ever since they stole a majority especially undermining SCC (the vanguard of democracy in Canada) and the scandals they are responsible for as I value democracy very much I hate to witness they are so openly and blatantly destroying it . Adding insult to injury their irresponsible bill endangering tens of thousands of sex workers and criminalizing hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens........I believe even those who support the new laws (which I am really not one of them though I do support some parts of the bill) should kick these dictators out. They are a disgrace to this country.

Speaking about undemocratic behavior, unelected Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin's views fall into that category. Remember her New Zealand speech back in 2005:

http://www.fact.on.ca/judiciary/NewZeal.pdf

"The rule of law requires judges to uphold unwritten constitutional norms, even in the face of clearly enacted laws or hostile public opinion,"

I agree that this Bill C-36 is horrible legislation and my all accounts the courts are likely to strike it down but their role is not make law, that is for the federal and provincial legislatures.

 

[mahmoud]

so looks like based on the posts above...soonest is Sept-Oct.

Summer of love lol

 

[lomotil]

The Conservatives generally like to build more jails. Within the next 18 months, some unlucky johns will be doing time most definitely and if this doesn't transpire than the law doesn't really have any teeth. If incalls and high end massage parlors were public traded companies, the stocks would have tumbled the day bill 36 101 was proposed and would continue to fall to penny stocks levels. Many working girls appreciate the convenience of having a third party take care of bookings and provide working conditions for a fee, but the those third parties will soon be running for covers. The upcoming hassles associated with the trade will negate the allure of the easy money causing ladies to seek other areas of revenue, go back to school, social assistance or accept menial low paying work. The need for the temporary foreign worker program shows that there are plenty of jobs available. Pompous geriatric celibates like Joy Smith MP are those to whom Harper is beholden. The Conservatives will attempt to fast track the bill into law before November so that it is not a distraction for the 2015 election and they know that the bill will likely be struct down by the Supreme Court but not for the next six years.

 

[lovelatinas]

Ok. So it's past June 20th and Parliament and the Blue Taliban has taken a summer break. At what stage is the bill? Still time to Assassinate Peter MacKay?

 

[FearlessFreep]

I heard it has passed second reading. That means it is probably in committee stage, open to amendment suggestions, none of which the government must accept when parliament resumes in September.

 

[Ace88]

They fucked off for the summer? Is this confirmed? When do they come back?

 

[red]

Ok. So it's past June 20th and Parliament and the Blue Taliban has taken a summer break. At what stage is the bill? Still time to Assassinate Peter MacKay?

I know you are kidding but please be careful with these kind of posts

 

[jsanchez]

They fucked off for the summer? Is this confirmed? When do they come back?

Yes, parliament has adjourned till Sep. 15

 

[legmann]

I know you are kidding but please be careful with these kind of posts

'Free Speech'. Just fantasy-writing (wink wink).

 

[Submariner]

...this is worse then North Korea.

Really? Been to North Korea, have you? A fan of the Kim brand of despotism? I agree the proposed C-36 is a step backwards, but let's keep perspective. You reside in what is widely considered to be one the best places to live in the world. My unsolicited advice to you is to chill, baby. This will pass.

 

[Fallsguy]

Can the Attorney Generals of each province choose to selectively ignore or enforce certain parts of the proposed new law and if so, what can the federal government do about it? Since the government has effectively ignored the Supreme Court of Canada's Ruling in composing the new laws, can the provinces do the same to Ottawa as the ongoing pissing match between Harper and the SOC continues? It seems now that the only laws being enforced now are the human trafficking or underaged laws. Since prostitution is a neccessary and perpetual evil, never to be eradicated, in a relativiely liberal country like Canada, whatever legislation is on the books will always be heading to the Supreme Court of Canada for legal arguments from now on.

Who exactly can reference a bill or law to the Supreme Court? Does it have to be the government of the day? Could an interested third party do so?

 

[luckyjackson]

I agree with the comment made above that this law is sure to reflect the different regional attitudes of the country. Canadians are a largely spineless bunch when it comes to protecting our liberties and telling the government to back off, but if any kind of serious enforcement of this law is tried, I think we'll see a lot of noise. Pay for play has been around for too long and is too firmly entrenched for people to really buy the Government's "we need this to keep pimps out of schoolyards" scare mongering. No one believes that money exchanged for sex between consenting adults is a huge problem. But let a few families be torn apart or lives otherwise destroyed by this silly law and I think you will see people pushed into action.

This is all so stupid. If the government passed a law that was truly aimed at protecting the vulnerable, they would have unanimous support. Nobody wants to see children or women victimized. But as long as the government is using words like "pervert" and "degrading", an intelligent discussion cannot be happen.

 

[red]

I agree with the comment made above that this law is sure to reflect the different regional attitudes of the country. Canadians are a largely spineless bunch when it comes to protecting our liberties and telling the government to back off, but if any kind of serious enforcement of this law is tried, I think we'll see a lot of noise. Pay for play has been around for too long and is too firmly entrenched for people to really buy the Government's "we need this to keep pimps out of schoolyards" scare mongering. No one believes that money exchanged for sex between consenting adults is a huge problem. But let a few families be torn apart or lives otherwise destroyed by this silly law and I think you will see people pushed into action.

This is all so stupid. If the government passed a law that was truly aimed at protecting the vulnerable, they would have unanimous support. Nobody wants to see children or women victimized. But as long as the government is using words like "pervert" and "degrading", an intelligent discussion cannot be happen.

Well said

 

[Submariner]

This is all so stupid. If the government passed a law that was truly aimed at protecting the vulnerable, they would have unanimous support. Nobody wants to see children or women victimized. But as long as the government is using words like "pervert" and "degrading", an intelligent discussion cannot be happen.

Nicely summarized.

 

[shakenbake]

Speaking about undemocratic behavior, unelected Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin's views fall into that category. Remember her New Zealand speech back in 2005:

http://www.fact.on.ca/judiciary/NewZeal.pdf

"The rule of law requires judges to uphold unwritten constitutional norms, even in the face of clearly enacted laws or hostile public opinion,"

I agree that this Bill C-36 is horrible legislation and my all accounts the courts are likely to strike it down but their role is not make law, that is for the federal and provincial legislatures.

You are absolutely right. And, it is the courts that are supposed to hold the elected, idealistic zealots in check, and to either prevent or to correct the damages done by those elected zealots. That is what the SCC did with the case of Canada vs. Bedford et al.

Justice McLachlin, IMHO, wrote well in the article you cited. That is what the SCC did when they stopped Harper from appointing his favourite to the SCC, and so on.

 

[shakenbake]

Not just Hitler but his entire "Con" artist corrupt party.

Not to deceive anyone just to clarify that my problem is not really with the new bill C-36 as I am not personally affected (unless they ban dancers and strip bars too) but rather the dictatorial undemocratic manner they have been conducting themselves ever since they stole a majority especially undermining SCC (the vanguard of democracy in Canada) and the scandals they are responsible for as I value democracy very much I hate to witness they are so openly and blatantly destroying it . Adding insult to injury their irresponsible bill endangering tens of thousands of sex workers and criminalizing hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens........I believe even those who support the new laws (which I am really not one of them though I do support some parts of the bill) should kick these dictators out. They are a disgrace to this country.

Here here!