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Butler1000

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Sure, but even if Biden loses all 10 of your gang's votes he'll be fine.
Lesser evil will win.
Maybe. But either way it's bad for the nation. Just in different ways. It isn't a lesser evil. Just a different one.

And it's far more than 10. Ask Hillary.
 

Judge_Knoll

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Reports are coming out now that there is a lack of enthusiasm for fundraising and volunteers for Biden.
The biggest detriment to the Biden campaign is not his policies or his possible dementia. It is the lack of an enthusiastic base. Say what you want about Trump but he has a dedicated base. People will only be voting for him because he is not Trump.
 

Knuckle Ball

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You keep thinking it's a game who has how many.

It's in reality for many not a game. They see Biden as the cause of their problems. Problems that started long before Trump arrived.

They won't vote for him, or Trump.
What if Biden picks Elizabeth Warren as his running mate? She supports universal healthcare and she’s got a plan. A Biden-Warren presidency tees EW up for a presidential run in 2024.
 

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What if Biden picks Elizabeth Warren as his running mate? She supports universal healthcare and she’s got a plan. A Biden-Warren presidency tees EW up for a presidential run in 2024.
Apparently Harris is first choice right now but I agree, Warren would be smart.
Though some have argued that Warren should stay in the senate to take over from Moscow Mitch.
 

Dutch Oven

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Apparently Harris is first choice right now but I agree, Warren would be smart.
Though some have argued that Warren should stay in the senate to take over from Moscow Mitch.
Neither of them would attract Bernie supporters or independents.
 

Dutch Oven

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You think you speak for Bernie supporters?
Warren is viewed as having undermined Bernie by: 1) not dropping out earlier and supporting him (probably helping him win most Super Tuesday states), 2) staying silent after she did drop out, and 3) accusing Sanders of sexism (and being a liar) while still in the campaign. Do you dispute any of that? Do you think that's a formula for attracting Bernie followers?

Harris is an abrasive Californian (with little Senate experience and not much to show for it) who has supported single payer healthcare but distinguished her plan from Bernie's. Do you think she appeals to independents or Bernie supporters? Hillary didn't.
 

Knuckle Ball

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Apparently Harris is first choice right now but I agree, Warren would be smart.
Though some have argued that Warren should stay in the senate to take over from Moscow Mitch.
I keep seeing people talk about Harris as their preferred VP pick but I don’t see why. For campaign purposes, I tend to think of the VP’s being chosen to appeal to some demographic where the presidential candidate is weak...so what does Harris bring to the Biden campaign?

Harris is from California- Biden will win California easily without her. California is a Dem State.

Harris is black...Biden is already popular amongst black voters so he doesn’t need her for that.

Warren has the ability to mobilize the Far Left in a way that would be hard for Biden...that could come in handy.

Biden particularly needs to win Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Those are supposed to be states that he can win on his own but Amy Klobuchar might help with that?

I believe he has already committed to nominating a woman so we’ll see. Maybe it will wind up being Stacey Abrams?
 

Butler1000

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What if Biden picks Elizabeth Warren as his running mate? She supports universal healthcare and she’s got a plan. A Biden-Warren presidency tees EW up for a presidential run in 2024.
Doubtful he will. She can't deliver the progressive vote. She would have had it on her own if she could.

Her demographic was women who want a woman candidate and suburban whites who want to appear woke. She diluted her M4A to the point it wasn't.

And came in third in her own state.

Also don't you know about the history between her and Biden. It was her grilling him in the Senate that put her into politics.

She is now a spent force with no bona fides with any constituencies. So the point is moot.
 

Butler1000

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You think you speak for Bernie supporters?
You should see the comments on her. The snake emoji is her new label. I'd say no she can't deliver anything.
 

Knuckle Ball

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Warren is viewed as having undermined Bernie by: 1) not dropping out earlier and supporting him (probably helping him win most Super Tuesday states), 2) staying silent after she did drop out, and 3) accusing Sanders of sexism (and being a liar) while still in the campaign. Do you dispute any of that? Do you think that's a formula for attracting Bernie followers?
You may (for once) be right. It’s not that long ago that the Bernie Bro’s were spamming Warren supporters with snake emojis on Twitter. Bernie Bro’s strike me as the kinda guys who tend to hold onto grudges.
 

bver_hunter

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It is on enough voters to have them stay home, it only vote down ballot, vote third party, write Sanders in, Vote for Trump.

If Voting for Biden does nothing to make their lives better, and for many people whether it's Trump or Biden makes no difference to their lives, they why would they.

You need to stop only thinking through your own lens and start thinking through theirs.

They lost their homes, jobs, friends and family, and even some lives due to no medical coverage, fake wars, and being foreclosed on while the bankers were fine. They lost jobs that never came back due to trade deals. They lost loved ones to war, disease and opiods.

And Joe Biden was a key part of the policies that caused this. Remember that.
Face it, Sanders is no longer on the ballot and there are just two options. Biden or Trump. Sanders once again says that Trump is the most dangerous President. But once again you believe Trump over Biden and would prefer Trump back at the Whitehouse!!

The manner in which you put the blame game on Biden is ridiculous. All that you claimed about losing their homes etc, is due to Biden?? Where on earth do you get such brainwashed data from?? Only the alt right would come up with such conspiracy theories. The manner in which the Americans lost their jobs, homes etc. was thanks to a certain Republican called Bush. Obama / Biden Combination reversed it and handed a growing economy to Trump who took credit for it from Day1!! Now it will be back to a Democratic Government to once again steer a rudderless boat, after this Pandemic crisis goes away!!
 

Butler1000

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Face it, Sanders is no longer on the ballot and there are just two options. Biden or Trump. Sanders once again says that Trump is the most dangerous President. But once again you believe Trump over Biden and would prefer Trump back at the Whitehouse!!

The manner in which you put the blame game on Biden is ridiculous. All that you claimed about losing their homes etc, is due to Biden?? Where on earth do you get such brainwashed data from?? Only the alt right would come up with such conspiracy theories. The manner in which the Americans lost their jobs, homes etc. was thanks to a certain Republican called Bush. Obama / Biden Combination reversed it and handed a growing economy to Trump who took credit for it from Day1!! Now it will be back to a Democratic Government to once again steer a rudderless boat, after this Pandemic crisis goes away!!
Actually he is still on the ballot. Stated he will continue to collect delegates for the convention.

And didn't endorse Joe Biden. Go look at his actual statements.

So he may not. Or if Biden's senility actually gets reported it's an open field.
 

Gooseifur

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Actually he is still on the ballot. Stated he will continue to collect delegates for the convention.

And didn't endorse Joe Biden. Go look at his actual statements.

So he may not. Or if Biden's senility actually gets reported it's an open field.
I agree with you it's about ideology and policy. No way the Bernie Bros support Biden or vote for him. They view him in the same vein as Trump, Part of the Corporate machine. They will sit out the election again.
 
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