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Berlin videos - 1935 and 1945

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2 very different videos - The first a PR piece for the new Nazi regime showing off the sights of Berlin and the 2nd those same sights, in not quite so good shape and with the military uniforms Soviet, not Nazi.

 

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Rockslinger

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The Americans could have taken Berlin but they stopped because the cost would have been 80,000 casualties. Plus, there was a huge risk that innocent German civilians could have been hurt, especially those 14 year old boys carrying rifles.
 

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2 very different videos - The first a PR piece for the new Nazi regime showing off the sights of Berlin and the 2nd those same sights, in not quite so good shape and with the military uniforms Soviet, not Nazi.
Kind of amazing that a handful of tiny countries with very limited natural resources came so close to winning a battle with the rest of the world.
 

Rockslinger

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Kind of amazing that a handful of tiny countries with very limited natural resources came so close to winning a battle with the rest of the world.
Almost as amazing as a tiny island nation conquering half the known world. Or, a bunch of Mongols marching on Vienna. Or, Alex the Great (they call him the great because of his 14" cock) conquered the great nation of Persia and Egypt and then rolled all the way to Afghanistan where the Taliban beat and killed Alex.
 

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Sobering video. However, the allies needed an unconditional surrender to make sure the legend that came out of 1918 didn't arise again - that they hadn't really lost, but had been stabbed in the back by those who surrendered. Hitler opted to die rather than surrender.

When you look at the women though, keep in mind many of them got raped by the Soviets. That was barbaric.
 

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Sobering video. However, the allies needed an unconditional surrender to make sure the legend that came out of 1918 didn't arise again - that they hadn't really lost, but had been stabbed in the back by those who surrendered. Hitler opted to die rather than surrender.

When you look at the women though, keep in mind many of them got raped by the Soviets. That was barbaric.
Justice and retribution pay back for raping and murdering Jewish women and children. Karma came to visit.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Kind of amazing that a handful of tiny countries with very limited natural resources came so close to winning a battle with the rest of the world
A handful of tiny countries?! More like one tiny country called Germany.

Germans are not to be fucked with, they are a very powerful, intelligent race. Its a good thing in the end they lost though
 

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1935 Berlin was the height of decadence as depicted in the movie Cabaret.
No it wasn't. 1925 yes, 1935 no.

Once the Nazis came to power they began cracking down on the "decadent" aspects of Berlin. Especially the burlesque clubs and gay district (not surprising since Nazism is for the most part a Conservative/reactionary movement). Homosexuals were one of the first groups to be targeted (even before the Jews).
 

Rockslinger

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Justice and retribution pay back for raping and murdering Jewish women and children. Karma came to visit.
Our loony liberal lefties would say that just because the Germans killed 28 million Russians is no reason for the Russians not to treat the Germans with kid gloves.
 

Rockslinger

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I don't know about that. It was a race to the finish, and the Soviets won.
There is a book titled "The Last Battle" which said the Americans halted their advance because of the potential high casualty of taking Berlin and the risk that a few "innocent" German civilians might get hurt in the battle.
 

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Great to see my home town in the first video. Sad in the second. Let us hope this never happens again.

It was nice in the first to see many of my present surrounding in the first video. Berlin is an amazing city.

I will also say that it is amazing how the city is rebuilt but keeping much of the city old world charm.

The Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church is a reminder of what war can do. I think everyone thinks when they drive by.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Great to see my home town in the first video. Sad in the second. Let us hope this never happens again
I was just curious since you live in Berlin, are German school kids taught everything about WW2 and the holocaust in Germany, or just parts of it?
 

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There is a book titled "The Last Battle" which said the Americans halted their advance because of the potential high casualty of taking Berlin and the risk that a few "innocent" German civilians might get hurt in the battle.
I will never believe that Americans would give a fuck about civilian casualties when fighting for worlds dominance.
 

mrsCALoki

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A handful of tiny countries?! More like one tiny country called Germany.

Germans are not to be fucked with, they are a very powerful, intelligent race. Its a good thing in the end they lost though

Not the way I learned about it in school. But I guess you know best. Might want to check those pesky facts though.
 

mrsCALoki

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There is a book titled "The Last Battle" which said the Americans halted their advance because of the potential high casualty of taking Berlin and the risk that a few "innocent" German civilians might get hurt in the battle.

Unlike the casualties in Japan when they selected cities of no military significance to a Bomb to to rubble?
 

Rockslinger

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The most moral people in WW II were the 6 million Jews who died in the gas chambers. They rarely if ever killed anybody, never tortured anybody, never staved anybody, never hurt any innocent civilians, never bombed any cities, etc.
 
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