I was just wanting some input on the BBBJ,,,, I see people worrying about std's but then I get asked abour bbbj's all the time. Is everybody not aware of the problems that could occur,,Even when you state you do ALL safe the question is asked..Then you have to wonder how many of these gentlemen have used the bbbj method and does a sp really want to see them. Its a snowball really. one of those is she saw two friends and he saw two friends things. If you do the math it really adds up. Alot of gentlemen have a other half at home as well so add her to the equation. It makes no sence.If you feel I am being unrealistic that is fair. but When I read these posts accusing ladys of spreading these std's around I wonder of the clients thinking. Its true if your selective and see a clean sp you know she gets checked and why wouldn't she. She is probably scared of strangers as well and wants to make sure she is safe always thats how you get regulars,,,No one is perfect... but just be selective... thanks for giving me a chance to get this off my chest... eve
BBBJ and other unsafe practices
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It is a very frustrating situation for many ladies in this business. Men will post that women who perform covered services should be avoided. Women who are reviewed as GFE, are now having to be classified as "Safe GFE" with many men feeling that if you don't perform BBBJ, you are not a GFE. Do I understand why there is such a need for BBBJ? Ya sure. Men like it uncovered. I can understand that. Do I understand why other ladies who chose to be safe are put down, condemned or shown a bit less respect wise? No. I can not for the life of me understand that.
With arguments made, "I have never had a girlfriend do it covered" "we are the paying customer, we should get what we want" and many other comments made, it is frustration to see that level of ignorance and disrespect. If mainstream society would take the time to educate themselves about the possible dangers in BB service, I am sure you would see less of it. No one wants to know about the dangers though. It is not a nice subject, fears of past BB encounters start coming back, and everyone says, well is won't happen to me. SP's are highly educated on the importance of covered services, and most apply these in their professional lives but also in their personal lives. We have to. Not only are we more aware of the possible dangers with STD's, we are more aware of how easy it is for a man or woman to cheat. Now I am not trying to come down on those men and women for seeking services outside of their relationships, but let's call a spade a spade here. How many men on this site have wives????? If their wives knew of the outside activities, do you think she would be so willing to perform a BBBJ????? I think not. I think she would think twice about it.
HH
With arguments made, "I have never had a girlfriend do it covered" "we are the paying customer, we should get what we want" and many other comments made, it is frustration to see that level of ignorance and disrespect. If mainstream society would take the time to educate themselves about the possible dangers in BB service, I am sure you would see less of it. No one wants to know about the dangers though. It is not a nice subject, fears of past BB encounters start coming back, and everyone says, well is won't happen to me. SP's are highly educated on the importance of covered services, and most apply these in their professional lives but also in their personal lives. We have to. Not only are we more aware of the possible dangers with STD's, we are more aware of how easy it is for a man or woman to cheat. Now I am not trying to come down on those men and women for seeking services outside of their relationships, but let's call a spade a spade here. How many men on this site have wives????? If their wives knew of the outside activities, do you think she would be so willing to perform a BBBJ????? I think not. I think she would think twice about it.
HH
well said
I agree with you 100%. I use condoms in my private life as well. I went to your web page and read some very enlightening posts in there as well.For some people like myself there are numerous reasons for being very safe,And I will never be co-erced. For clients to think a sp is unsafe because she chooses to keep herself and other clients safe is so unbeilable I just cannot fathom their reasoning. I have also explained to dangers to clients and seen the look on their face and their mind wandering to what they have done in the past. When I am chatting with them and they ask about this service I always ask them if they have gotten this service with someone in the past. When they respond yes I let them know that I will not be seeing them.. eve
I agree with you 100%. I use condoms in my private life as well. I went to your web page and read some very enlightening posts in there as well.For some people like myself there are numerous reasons for being very safe,And I will never be co-erced. For clients to think a sp is unsafe because she chooses to keep herself and other clients safe is so unbeilable I just cannot fathom their reasoning. I have also explained to dangers to clients and seen the look on their face and their mind wandering to what they have done in the past. When I am chatting with them and they ask about this service I always ask them if they have gotten this service with someone in the past. When they respond yes I let them know that I will not be seeing them.. eve
Ok this is getting a little tiresome :
1. I agree with Shiek if you don't want to provide these services great . If someone pushes you for it tell him to get lost .
2. I don't see anything wrong with being more explicit in defining what services you provide . It's good for you and it's good for the "consumer".If that means calling yourself a safe GFE great.
3. I don't see a lot of condeming here of sp's that don't provide this service ( BBBJ) . Are certain customers interested in this ....yes , of course. Do they make their choice based on this ....yes . So ? Don't count them as part of your target market. All the condeming I've seen here in the last few weeks here is been of these men and not the safe providers so stop using this aregument....it's tiresome and you are all becoming tiresome.
1. I agree with Shiek if you don't want to provide these services great . If someone pushes you for it tell him to get lost .
2. I don't see anything wrong with being more explicit in defining what services you provide . It's good for you and it's good for the "consumer".If that means calling yourself a safe GFE great.
3. I don't see a lot of condeming here of sp's that don't provide this service ( BBBJ) . Are certain customers interested in this ....yes , of course. Do they make their choice based on this ....yes . So ? Don't count them as part of your target market. All the condeming I've seen here in the last few weeks here is been of these men and not the safe providers so stop using this aregument....it's tiresome and you are all becoming tiresome.
train said:
1. agreed
2. I also agree to a piont, if a women has been reviewd as GFE, she should be able to say she is a GFE. I don't feel she has to safe Safe GFE, but I understand it would be nice, but I don't think it has to be a must.
3. You may not see the condeming, but that doesn't mean is doesn't happen. If I had time to go through all the post here to provide you like, I would, but I don't have the time right now. Also, I am not condeming those that provide BBBJ and those men who require it. I am simplely stating that the risk is there. You want to talk about tiresome, try dealing with the men who are always begging for BBBJ, and no matter how many times you say no, they still keep asking.
HH
Bbbj
I really don't understand all the fuss that is made here about BBBJ.
In Japan and Korea bbbj is the norm and I have never heard or read of anyone getting std, doing bbbj in Korea or Japan.
If it ever happened it would be all over the news!
It is such a commen pratice from hostess bars, mp,sp and the famous Korean baber shops, that to ever ask if bbbj is offered unheard of.
I was surprised when I first came to Canada that you had to ask for bbbj or some sp only offered cbj.
Also recently all these treads on bbbj, it is surprising!
Though a raincoat has to worn for fs, other wise you would be stupid!
My 2 cents!
Mingo
I really don't understand all the fuss that is made here about BBBJ.
In Japan and Korea bbbj is the norm and I have never heard or read of anyone getting std, doing bbbj in Korea or Japan.
If it ever happened it would be all over the news!
It is such a commen pratice from hostess bars, mp,sp and the famous Korean baber shops, that to ever ask if bbbj is offered unheard of.
I was surprised when I first came to Canada that you had to ask for bbbj or some sp only offered cbj.
Also recently all these treads on bbbj, it is surprising!
Though a raincoat has to worn for fs, other wise you would be stupid!
My 2 cents!
Mingo
Sweetie, I think that you should buy yourself a new keyboard, because the enter key on the one that you have appears to be broken.
Regardless, did we really need another "Gasp they don't want to wear a condom when I suck their cocks" thread?
Guys are going to ask because, it feels better and the risks of him getting anything remain relatively low. So long as he doesn't get violent, pushy, or threatening, just chalk it up to being part of the job and move the fuck on!
I mean, honestly, if you can't handle guys merely asking you to suck an unsheathed cock (you're certainly under no obligation to acquiesce), you're probably in the wrong profession.
Regardless, did we really need another "Gasp they don't want to wear a condom when I suck their cocks" thread?
Guys are going to ask because, it feels better and the risks of him getting anything remain relatively low. So long as he doesn't get violent, pushy, or threatening, just chalk it up to being part of the job and move the fuck on!
I mean, honestly, if you can't handle guys merely asking you to suck an unsheathed cock (you're certainly under no obligation to acquiesce), you're probably in the wrong profession.
Why is it every time we make a complain, we are told we are probably in the wrong business.
Ask if you want, fine. Just ask once, and accept the answer given to you. Don't keep hounding and maybe we keep hounding with the complaint.
Sound fair????
As for, "no one has gotten an STD from a BBBJ." Well that is Japan and Korea, this is TERB and last week 3 women in TO and 1 in Ottawa were outed via PM for the suspicion of possibly giving a 2 men an STD through giving them BBBJ.
HH
Ask if you want, fine. Just ask once, and accept the answer given to you. Don't keep hounding and maybe we keep hounding with the complaint.
Sound fair????
As for, "no one has gotten an STD from a BBBJ." Well that is Japan and Korea, this is TERB and last week 3 women in TO and 1 in Ottawa were outed via PM for the suspicion of possibly giving a 2 men an STD through giving them BBBJ.
HH
If BBBJ service was expected, and the guy has already paid the fee, then it would be expected that he would be persistent in asking again and again, and maybe even getting a bit pissed off.
If the service was advertised as “safe gfe”, or “everything covered”, then the guy can ask, maybe, but it would be his own problem if he did not get it.
This is were TERB helps, in that guys can find out in advance what ladies offer what service, and then book the appropriate lady.
For the ladies, if they dont want to offer the service, they should just spell that out in their ads.
If the service was advertised as “safe gfe”, or “everything covered”, then the guy can ask, maybe, but it would be his own problem if he did not get it.
This is were TERB helps, in that guys can find out in advance what ladies offer what service, and then book the appropriate lady.
For the ladies, if they dont want to offer the service, they should just spell that out in their ads.
LOL, no I don't, but it worked to my advantage for this thread, so why not use it, right?train said:I'm fairly sure that you don't believe that they actually did
Hey...... have a good weekend.
Have a great one sweetie.
HH
Look, Some guys only will see ladies who do BBBJ,so let them know ahead of time if you provide this service. If you let them know you dont BBBJ they wont meet with you and you wont have to put up with him begging for it.He wont be disappointed because he wont have hired you !! So everyone is happy. SO LET US KNOW ,one way or the other.
SO LET US KNOW ,one way or the other.I wish it was that simple, the point is it is not. They call and call and call, email, threaten bad reviews, follow you around on the boards and put you down whenever they can, or just simply start talking boycott of safe GFE providers{if we are even allowed to use the term safe GFE without others losing it on us}. If it was a simple as "do you BBBJ?" No, I am covered girl" "Okay thanks, have a great day" These threads wouldn't be here.borderx1 said:Look, Some guys only will see ladies who do BBBJ,so let them know ahead of time if you provide this service. If you let them know you dont BBBJ they wont meet with you and you wont have to put up with him begging for it.He wont be disappointed because he wont have hired you !! So everyone is happy.
Sherry, I don't know where you are coming from but I can say I find the idea of saying we want to less for more a little insulting especially in regards to BB service. I don't think it has anything to do with her wanting to get as much money as she can without having to much in return. One way or another, she is still sucking a dick, right??
HH
it is simple as you wish
I get stories from clients calling about girls being rude on the phone with them, maybe that’s why the harassment you were explaining pursues.
I have had TERB clients who called looking for bbbj, which we don’t offer, and ended up booking anyways for other reasons.
Point is, there are very liegit resons for clients wanting it and also for girls not willing to offer it. Everyone just has to be clear with each other BEFORE the party begins.
HH, from my experience, which has only been a couple months, it is that simple as you wish, when people call, we chat politely about what they are looking for and what is available and to what extent, if they were looking for something else then they thank me for my time and make the next call.HappyHookers said:
I get stories from clients calling about girls being rude on the phone with them, maybe that’s why the harassment you were explaining pursues.
I have had TERB clients who called looking for bbbj, which we don’t offer, and ended up booking anyways for other reasons.
Point is, there are very liegit resons for clients wanting it and also for girls not willing to offer it. Everyone just has to be clear with each other BEFORE the party begins.
HappyHookers said:
This would to be the real issue, if you are upfront and clear with the customer that a certain service will NOT be provided it will cost you money. It is better for business to be vague, take the money in advance, and then deal with the customers disappointment later.
Surprised you would even post this. Should a SP be working with active STD/cold sores??? This would put many restrictions on the service she can offer, and/or be putting the customer at risk of catching an STD. Yet, with all the restrictions, she is still charging the same fee, is that fair to the customer?Sheik said:
Also surprised you would post this. Why do you feel that one customer should receive less service then the next depending on where the customer is in the queue. If the forth customer is going to receive less service, should not the customer be told this upfront, and the price reflect this?Sheik said:
Sinful Selina
Now here's a girl I wouldn't mind testing her theory on. She is one soft and sexy lady.
Now here's a girl I wouldn't mind testing her theory on.
She is one soft and sexy lady.Okay so my point it, if she is reviewed as a GFE, and only offers safe service and a guy calls and ask are you a GFE, why can't be say yes.MartiniGirls said:
I am sorry, the argument it is better to be vague is not what a lot of us are doing, we are simply stating how we are reviewed.
Doesn't matter anyways, no body is going to agree. No has in over 3 year that I have been here.And the term safe GFE has only recently come about.
I would suggest to women, advertise yourselves how you want. If you have been reviewed as GFE, the advertise yourselves as a GFE. I know I am not about to let a bunch of TERB guy who represent maybe less then 5% of business dictate how I advertise myself.
HH
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