I love the guys who equate the prevention of them from adversely affecting the health of others as a government intervention of their freedom to poison others. I don't give a crap if there is a heroin addict beside me but if i was forced to share his sorry habit that is a different story.
Ban smoking on patios
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Nanny state. Police state. Whatever you want yo call it. Besides are you gonna pick up the 7 billion in taxes lost from banning smoking?
The problem is that second hand smoke does hurt others! If what you choose to do doesn't affect anyone else then fine, but smoking does affect other people.
I am not advocating to make cigarettes illegal but I don't like it when I have to breath other people's smoke.
Ottawa banned smoking on patios this past summer.
The local bar has two patios - one smoking and one non-smoking. The smoking patio used to be packed and the non-smoking mostly empty. Now they're both empty and the patrons who used to be on the smoking patio are nowhere to be seen - they're all drinking at home...
The local bar has two patios - one smoking and one non-smoking. The smoking patio used to be packed and the non-smoking mostly empty. Now they're both empty and the patrons who used to be on the smoking patio are nowhere to be seen - they're all drinking at home...
I think one should keep in mind there is an enormous difference between chronic exposure to smoke as opposed to the occasional exposure such as entering and leaving buildings or having one meal where there is smoke around. Smell is obviously a different issue, but the whole health/cancer thing in relation to occasional exposure is way overstated.
It is the chronic irritation to the tissues which causes cell change, not a few inhalations. It's not like one dose of poison that can kill you.
It is the chronic irritation to the tissues which causes cell change, not a few inhalations. It's not like one dose of poison that can kill you.
The whole experience of sitting around people who are smoking is distasteful. Tobacco companies should develop products that allow the consumption of tobacco WITHOUT interfering with others in the area. The industry has had literally decades to do this, didn't bother, and now the chickens are coming home to roost--the majority of us are fed up with it, and doing something about it. I don't know whether the patio ban will go through, but I know that increasing restrictions will be placed on people who consume tobacco until they find socially acceptable ways to do it.
7 billion is peanuts compared to what it costs to give additional health care to smokers plus the costs due to lost productivity.
Experiment maybe
When you looked, you could see that you wouldn't have to light up to get your fix.
Should have taken a picture.
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Was in Heathrow a number of years back and saw a smallish glass inclosed room in the middle of a larger area for the smokers, looked like they were put their as a specimans.
When you looked, you could see that you wouldn't have to light up to get your fix.
Should have taken a picture.
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And how many lawyers would then get rich ?
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Problem is,...who do you get to work there ??
And how many lawyers would then get rich ?
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Personally, and I usually don't say this, but this has the 'nanny-state' feel to it. Ban smoking in closed public areas , fine. But to extend this ban to open-air patios is going too far, in my opinion. The next step is to ban smoking altogether, and while smoking is undoubtedly a hazard, if you're going to ban smoking for that, the next step is alcohol. Kills just as many people, and its not a substance that you have to have. Sure, you can argue secondhand smoke. Fine. Personally, and I acknowledge medical science may easily prove me wrong, I doubt the truly ill health benefits of walking through a cloud of smoke in an open-air environments a few times a day. I mean realistically, if you use the arguement that sometimes it's unavoidable, or in your way, you're only talking about being exposed for a few minutes at a time. Anything longer, and you have the choice to move somewhere else. But even if we're talking about the ills of secondhand smoke, what about the effects of alcohol on non-drinkers. Drunk driving etc. Personally I think smokers are an easy target because it's annoying, but in terms of actual health costs to non-smokers, we've eliminated the major cause of secondhand smoke which is repeated exposure in poorly ventilated areas. Now we're talking about eliminating smoking in public, open-air spaces. I question that. You can't legislate away everything that annoys you.
Again, my personal, and admittedly uneducated, opinion. I don't disapprove of it exactly, I just think its going too far. I definitely do disapprove of banning smoking in general.
Again, my personal, and admittedly uneducated, opinion. I don't disapprove of it exactly, I just think its going too far. I definitely do disapprove of banning smoking in general.
Bullshit. I posted the numbers last week in a similar thread. 7 billion in taxes collected. 4.4 billion spent on tobacco related illnesses. 3.6 billion left over for your health care.
Ban smoking. Take away the license and car of anyone that breaks a driving law. Force people to wear a seat belt, car won't start till it's in. Make it so no one can do anything you don't like. Get rid of the sex industry cuz someone got a disease once.
Papa, sometimes you have to make your way to the main entrance of an establishment with people smoking around said entrance, so that you can't avoid them. Some places have their smoking areas away from entrances.
So I walk faster than most people, I do not know the people in front of me are smoking, then poof as I pass them, I get a blast of stinky smoke. I did not know and I could not avoid. I usually stay away from your BS old man, but your comments in this thread go beyond the inane as they usually do. No more from me on this thread.
While i don't enjoy smoke while i'm on a patio i think you're absolutely right. I was totally on board with smoking rooms, a little less positive with an outright ban indoors and totally against the no smoking policies in parks and sidewalks.
