Baltimore Burning

[Aardvark154]

Those things will all be paid for by insurance and compensation, the cost will be to the city, insurers and they will have to face up to the cop problem. If you don't think it will do anything, observe all the riots in history. Its a blunt instrument but it quite often works.

Actually most of the stores which were destroyed by arson last night in Baltimore where "Mom and Pops" most of which were either under-insured or not insured at all. The same thing happened in Ferguson, Missouri where eight months later almost no reconstruction has taken place. The tragedy is twofold, most of the stores were owned by residents of the community, and the community no longer has those stores.

 

[Aardvark154]

Burning down a CVS, and looting a liquor store does nothing!

The CVS store was one that the City of Baltimore had spent considerable time and effort convincing the chain to build. It was the only pharmacy serving the area. As part of a publicly traded company with a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders one wonders whether management will be able to justify rebuilding the store and the increased cost of insuring it.

 

[Frankfooter]

This has to be looked at as a national series of race/police/wealth riots.
Its not the first city and I would guess its not going to be the last.
Its a situation that's escalating since the first major incident in Ferguson Missouri last year.

Nothing has been done to fix the problem, both sides are just getting angrier.

 

[Aardvark154]

The curfew will start tomorrow night.

Unfortunately the Mayor blew it, statements like (Saturday) property damage has to be tolerated, and when things started looking bad on Monday Afternoon not calling the Governor and admitting that matters were getting out of control and that Baltimore needed a declaration of a State of Emergency and the State Police and the National Guard have proved to have been serious errors.

 

[onthebottom]

Those things will all be paid for by insurance and compensation, the cost will be to the city, insurers and they will have to face up to the cop problem. If you don't think it will do anything, observe all the riots in history. Its a blunt instrument but it quite often works.

As evidence you can see what a paradise Camden NJ is after all the riots there....

 

[Butler1000]

Another excuse to loot. Note they went after the liquor and drug stores?

Seems to me more was accomplished with peaceful protest in the 60's. These weren't protesters. They were thugs taking advantage of the situation. CVS should rightfully walk away from the neighbourhood.

 

[Insidious Von]

Baltimore has been a powder keg for decades, regardless of political stripe. And let's not be smug about this, it can happen here. Winnipeg is well on that road.

 

[nobody123]

The riots in the 60's were a completely different situation. The majority of these rioters were young kids as well as professional agitators (Black Bloc, Nation of Islam etc). It had less to do with Freddie Gray and police relations and more with the socio-economic despair due to Liberal failed policies and the breakdown of the family unit.

You misspelled neoliberal there. Shoulda been failed neo liberal policies. (so close). And then you had to tack on some family values bullshit. (so far!) Ah well. At least you forgot to mention "thugs" so, errrr... progress?

 

[Yoga Face]

Why is there no riots against organized crime, king pin drug dealers, the maifia, the hells angels etc ?

They are a lot worse than a few rouge cops

 

[frankcastle]

This is not a failed mayor or liberal policies this is just the explosion of a powder keg whose foundations are decades old. These are opportunistic thugs with mixed agendas some political and some selfish.

The guy who wanted to educate us on Baltimore are referenced the wire...... think being a former murder capitol for the U.S. says it all. But even if the town was full of thugs that doesn't justify getting arrested and leaving in a body bag with a spinal injury.

There are good people everywhere right now they are hiding. ...... and with good reason.

 

[frankcastle]

Why is there no riots against organized crime, king pin drug dealers, the maifia, the hells angels etc ?

They are a lot worse than a few rouge cops

Criminals are in it for money and racially profiling an innocent person is not profitable for them.

I can't say for sure but i am guessing either fear or it is not as big of a threat to the general public.

Also i think it is tough to quantify rogue cops but the problem could be much bigger. Didn't a commanding officer of a police force get in trouble for sending out a racist directive?

 

[rhuarc29]

They are a lot worse than a few rouge cops

The problem isn't a few rogue cops. It's an institutional failure in the way they train cops. And too little effective oversight.

As for the looting, it has nothing to do with the issue. Thugs saw an opportunity and took it. It's unfortunate that a relevant issue gets associated with that kind of action, but what else is new? All causes have leeches.

 

[nobody123]

There are good people everywhere right now they are hiding. ...... and with good reason.

Not all of them:

https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status/593009704827256832/photo/1
https://twitter.com/RonMatzWJZ/status/593012075770806272/photo/1

But more than just a handful of Good Samaritans cleaning up the burnt-out CVS in the aftermath of yesterday's riots, there are good people out in the streets protesting as well. Makes it all the worse that there are inevitable fuckwits that burn and loot, but it certainly does NOT make it null and void that there were also ordinary, justifiably angry, (and good) people protesting.

 

[Carling]

Not all of them:

https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status/593009704827256832/photo/1
https://twitter.com/RonMatzWJZ/status/593012075770806272/photo/1

But more than just a handful of Good Samaritans cleaning up the burnt-out CVS in the aftermath of yesterday's riots, there are good people out in the streets protesting as well. Makes it all the worse that there are inevitable fuckwits that burn and loot, but it certainly does NOT make it null and void that there were also ordinary, justifiably angry, (and good) people protesting.

i also saw lots of video of older people in the community trying to physically stop the rioters..
apparently this riot was a social media stunt..with kids in HS starting a #thepurge twitter campagin (based on the movie about a society which allows lawlessness for 24 hrs)

 

[SkyRider]

Unfortunately the Mayor blew it, statements like (Saturday) property damage has to be tolerated, and when things started looking bad on Monday Afternoon not calling the Governor and admitting that matters were getting out of control and that Baltimore needed a declaration of a State of Emergency and the State Police and the National Guard have proved to have been serious errors.

The failed strategy was to give the protesters "space to vent" and not have a show of police force. A gentler, more sensitive police presence.

 

[Aardvark154]

Not all of them:

https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status/593009704827256832/photo/1
https://twitter.com/RonMatzWJZ/status/593012075770806272/photo/1

But more than just a handful of Good Samaritans cleaning up the burnt-out CVS in the aftermath of yesterday's riots, there are good people out in the streets protesting as well. Makes it all the worse that there are inevitable fuckwits that burn and loot, but it certainly does NOT make it null and void that there were also ordinary, justifiably angry, (and good) people protesting.

Of course there were good people out protesting, the problem is that their voices are drowned out when thugs loot and burn.

What do you think is shown not just on U.S. and Canadian television but in all sorts of places around the world - peaceful protests or photographs like that that you posted?

Or rather is what is shown video of people cutting fire hoses, the CVS on fire, store owners being beaten, the teen who stole a car and drove it onto burning piles of trash in the street.

 

[mjg1]

That's what I though about Obama's tenure after one term, didn't happen. She'll curry favor and probably get her stupid ass re-elected. The turnout in municipal elections there is porous - I think around 33%.

You guys just want to blame any black or democrats leaders in office! When hurricane Katrina hit N.Orleans, I'm sure you guys weren't jumping on Bush or Brownie(whatever his name).

 

[Aardvark154]

When hurricane Katrina hit N.Orleans

I thought of the corrupt Levee Control Boards that didn't do their jobs, and the now imprisoned Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin

 

[mjg1]

I thought of the corrupt Levee Control Boards that didn't do their jobs, and the now imprisoned Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin

When things like that happen, often the times a lot of blame can go around. But too often people just want to focus blame on people they don't like. For example, I didn't vote for Bush, but I really didn't blame him for that mess in N.Orleans.

 

[Ironhead]

The guy at 1:15 of this video is right on. These idiots use this just as an excuse.