I guess what it comes down to is addicts shouldn't be criminalized for being addicted but traffickers are going to get hit the hardest. Trudeau should have made this national.too many people die every year from overdoes no safe sites
B.C. to decriminalize possession of small amounts of ‘hard’ drugs such as cocaine, fentanyl and heroin
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Down here they were thinking of combining HHS with DEA to make the free food and drug administration...
We shall see if it has a positive impact. If it quantitatively does, I can see them expanding it across the nation.
It's fucked up and will only lead to more addiction issues with a greater number of people. You can argue that drugs being illegal never stopped anyone from doing drugs and I suppose you may be right, however, it definitely added to the stigma of being a drug user. With this change in the legislation, it results in drugs becoming more socially acceptable and will lead to more drug use in society as a whole. You can see it now when you're walking around downtown just how many fucked up people there are on the streets of Toronto. Sorry, it was never like this back 20 years ago. It's a zoo.
But the fact is, I have 0 say in the matter with respect to what the legislation says. I only know it will make things worse.
So all well and good, do what you want, but just don't expect me to pay with my taxes for rehab for all the legions of junkies out there. (Which I know is just wishful thinking on my part because it's a given that the government will pay for rehab for all the druggies out there.)
But the fact is, I have 0 say in the matter with respect to what the legislation says. I only know it will make things worse.
So all well and good, do what you want, but just don't expect me to pay with my taxes for rehab for all the legions of junkies out there. (Which I know is just wishful thinking on my part because it's a given that the government will pay for rehab for all the druggies out there.)
What stigma!?.... If you're a cokehead, you run with other cokeheads. You're a junkie , you shoot with other people who do junk. I've known plenty of both. Neither arrest nor "stigma" seemed to be much of a concern.
My dad was a whiskey drunkard. Given the number of posh events he got stumble-drunk at, he didn't give a shit either.
And I'd rather them all to rehab than stay addicts.
Portugal has had great success legalising all drugs and treating addiction as a health issue.
It's a moratorium on prosecution. The Feds prosecute drug crime and have agreed not to prosecute in BC for small amounts.
No, crime has to be prosecuted in the province it's committed in.
@Phil C. McNasty
Philly. - you were right. I was wrong. They are moving to decriminalize and I didn’t think they would. So I eat crow. Lmao.
To be fair, I don’t agree with doing this but you called it so I bow to you this once.
Philly. - you were right. I was wrong. They are moving to decriminalize and I didn’t think they would. So I eat crow. Lmao.
To be fair, I don’t agree with doing this but you called it so I bow to you this once.
So I dont do hard drugs (except for occassional XTC use during raves in my youth), but decriminalization is the way to go IMO.
I would even go as far to say that all drugs should be legalized and controlled.
The way you legalize heroin or crack is to make people register as addicts, give them a daily prescription so they can get their fix, and that way you make sure the supply is pure and not tainted with fentanyl or other poisons. Accidental Fentanyl overdoses have killed hundreds of thousands of people in N.A. over the last 10 years. All of this is preventable.
At the same time offer addicts rehab treatment once they get sick of doing their dope (which they eventually will).
Dealers of course should still be prosecuted, and I would bring back the death penalty for large scale fentanyl dealers
I guess that could work but I just don’t see it. I guess I am in the camp of “it will just allow addicts to stay addicts” and I have never touched a hard drug in my life that was not used as prescribed by a doctor. But I have been victim to the abuses of addicts so that is probably where my opinion is based on even if I knowledge that it is bias.
I do hope you continue to be right on this topic though because if it can truly help, then I’m not here to stand in the way.
The BC government and Federal government are looking at strategies to reduces drug overdoses. Decriminalization will not work. Addictions are horrific but should not place anyone above the law. The government could supply all “ addicts “ with free medical grade opioids like fentanyl and medical grade cocaine in supervised government sites with teams of paramedics nurses and doctors on site 24/7 with free food , medical checks, vitals being monitored, out of the elements and at great cost to the taxpayers .
Or another approach would be to incarcerate those found in possession of controlled substances and impose mandatory treatment on those found to be suffering from addictions. Those found to be convicted of trafficking in controlled substances should be executed by firing squad. Mexico and China are complicit in supplying North America with fentanyl components and should be penalized much more vigorously by the Canadian government than they already are with extradition warrants for foreign traffickers being brought in. Canada is more anemic than the US with respect to going after China and Mexico.
In a strange macabre and revengeful reversal of fate, China seems to be aiding and perpetuating a reverse “ Opium War” on the west coupled with the masterful supply chain dependence and domination that they have achieved.
Of the two option that I mentioned above, I prefer the later In terms of achieving a sustainable reduction in death by drug overdose. Massacre all the dope dealers.
Or another approach would be to incarcerate those found in possession of controlled substances and impose mandatory treatment on those found to be suffering from addictions. Those found to be convicted of trafficking in controlled substances should be executed by firing squad. Mexico and China are complicit in supplying North America with fentanyl components and should be penalized much more vigorously by the Canadian government than they already are with extradition warrants for foreign traffickers being brought in. Canada is more anemic than the US with respect to going after China and Mexico.
In a strange macabre and revengeful reversal of fate, China seems to be aiding and perpetuating a reverse “ Opium War” on the west coupled with the masterful supply chain dependence and domination that they have achieved.
Of the two option that I mentioned above, I prefer the later In terms of achieving a sustainable reduction in death by drug overdose. Massacre all the dope dealers.
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Be prepared to execute hundreds of dealers every year though.
I dont think the public has the appetite for that.
Besides, the appeals process would take decades before you could fry someone.
Singapore is claiming success though: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c25278-22e9-11e8-946c-9420060cb7bd_story.html
I would think that after the first few executions, it would give those contemplating becoming pushers, pause.
There is not much sympathy for drug dealers in the general public and we are in a crisis which is spiralling down a rabbit hole.
Were the cops arresting addicts with small amounts? I don't think so, they already have harm reduction shooting galleries, sponsored by the city or the province.
wouldn't legalizing a "small amount" increase the number of addiction cases though? I mean, having a "cokehead" or a "junkie" confidently walking the streets knowing he's within his "rights" to carry some and no risk of losing his "smack" could definitely encourage first timers to try since it's withing their rights per se...
Singapore is such a scary place not only for drug dealers...I've heard of a few stories that they use unsuspecting mules to smuggle drugs to singapore and these mules get executed for carrying drugs they don't even know about...what some drug smugglers do is pay someone from the airport to insert drugs on random baggages, mark it and someone from the other end will pick it up...if it gets pinged...the poor owner of that bag will get tried for smuggling drugs...
Decriminalizing drugs helps with this. Anyone who intends to use any sort of hard drug is going to do it anyways. It's not like the entire population is waiting for the day for hard drugs to become legal so they can inject themselves with heroin - everyone knows the dangers of it and there is definitely a well-deserved stigma attached to it which will never go away. If anything it'll be strengthened with government PSAs.
When it is illegal though, and you decide to try one day and get addicted, you're screwed. These are people who need to feel comfortable to come out and receive help. Locking them up behind bars because they have an addiction doesn't help. If you're worried about paying for taxes for their rehab then search up how much it costs for the government to lock someone in prison for a year.
