Awesome Statement By Ben Stein

[lookingforitallthetime]

So Christmas trees are?

And Christmas is December 25th ... Happy Holiday Season ... I'll wish you a "Merry Christmas" on the day that it is celibrated by true Christians; Dec 25th, or Jan 7th depending on your exact beliefs.

woolf, give me a haul off that stuff you're smoking.........

 

[danmand]

Feliz Navidad, Police took my dad

 

[LancsLad]

Feliz Navidad, Police took my dad

Unfortunately after he had reproduced. timing is everything.

 

[danmand]

The Christmas tree is a symbol of the cross - wood.

Oh brother, give us a break from your piety. The use of a fir tree by the church date from only the 16th century.

Firs had been used in pagan ceremonies in scandinavia for thousands of years earlier. Another custom hijacked by the christians.

The church should not forget the 7th commandmend.

 

[jwmorrice]

The Christmas tree is a symbol of the cross - wood.

Here's an interesting article on christmas trees. http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa122102a.htm

jwm

 

[woolf]

woolf, give me a haul off that stuff you're smoking.........

Care to expound on that?

Christmas is Dec 25th is it not? Christmas is supposed to be a religious recognition of the anniversary of the birth of Jesus, is it not?

Why should I wish anyone a "Merry Christmas" if it is not Christs' birthday"? I don't normally wish anyone a "Happy Birthday" a month before their birthday.

I'm not trying to take away your right to celebrate your religious observance, but when you try to push a single day Christian observance in my face for a month, telling me that if I call your ugly trees anything other than a "Christmas" tree, that I am attacking your religion, then I will tell you to go take a hike.

Beside, any real Christian knows that Christmas pales in comparison to Easter in terms of Christian importance. I would gladly wish a real Christian a "Somber Lent and a Joyous Easter" for the full 40 days that this Christian event is meant to be observed ... Christmas is a single religious day, the reason we have a "season" is due to greed and consumerism, and not any Christian "rule" ... I refuse to "celebrate" a "Christmas Season" that pushes the exact opposite of the teachings of Jesus.

 

[danmand]

Like the Christmas tree, the celebration of Christmas was a tactic in converting the nordic and germanic people to christianity. They celebrated the turning of the sun for thousands of years before little baby Jesus was born, and they partyed hard. When the christians came to these parts of the world, they hijacked the festivitas claiming that little baby Jesus was born on the same day as when the festivitas took place. Do you really believe that little baby Jesus was born dec 25?

 

[papasmerf]

Care to expound on that?

Christmas is Dec 25th is it not? Christmas is supposed to be a religious recognition of the anniversary of the birth of Jesus, is it not?

Why should I wish anyone a "Merry Christmas" if it is not Christs' birthday"? I don't normally wish anyone a "Happy Birthday" a month before their birthday.

I'm not trying to take away your right to celebrate your religious observance, but when you try to push a single day Christian observance in my face for a month, telling me that if I call your ugly trees anything other than a "Christmas" tree, that I am attacking your religion, then I will tell you to go take a hike.

Beside, any real Christian knows that Christmas pales in comparison to Easter in terms of Christian importance. I would gladly wish a real Christian a "Somber Lent and a Joyous Easter" for the full 40 days that this Christian event is meant to be observed ... Christmas is a single religious day, the reason we have a "season" is due to greed and consumerism, and not any Christian "rule" ... I refuse to "celebrate" a "Christmas Season" that pushes the exact opposite of the teachings of Jesus.

The Tradition of Christmas celebrates the Birth of Christ and then goes into Advent. You are right that Holy Week of Easter is the Highest of Holidays. Holy Thursday celebrates the Last Supper and Christ's arrest at the hands of Judas. Good Friday celebrates the Crucification of Christ and on the Third Day he arose from the dead. The Thing you fail to realize is that with His Birth we begining the fulfillment of the Prophecy.

But thank you for your trying to understand.

 

[woolf]

Do you really believe that little baby Jesus was born dec 25?

Good question ... as a "Christian" I 'know' that it wasn't, but I 'believe' that it was ... the mystery of 'faith'. :lol:

 

[jwmorrice]

Crucification of Christ

You've outdone yourself with that one!!

jwm

 

[danmand]

The Tradition of Christmas celebrates the Birth of Christ and then goes into Advent. You are right that Holy Week of Easter is the Highest of Holidays. Holy Thursday celebrates the Last Supper and Christ's arrest at the hands of Judas. Good Friday celebrates the Crucification of Christ and on the Third Day he arose from the dead. The Thing you fail to realize is that with His Birth we begining the fulfillment of the Prophecy.

But thank you for your trying to understand.

I thought that Christmas was the culmination or end of advent. At least that is how it plays in the lutheran church.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Oh brother, give us a break from your piety. The use of a fir tree by the church date from only the 16th century.

Firs had been used in pagan ceremonies in scandinavia for thousands of years earlier. Another custom hijacked by the christians.

The church should not forget the 7th commandmend.

I'm reminded of a line from WKRP when Johnny Fever says: "in the spirit of christmas, I'm going out to kill a tree"

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Care to expound on that?

No, not really

 

[danmand]

Here we go again.
The fir tree is not a universal Christmas tree. We use it in North America because it is the only greenery in the winter time. Look outside. I am originally from South America and the people there, decorate any tree they please because any tree symbolizes wood which symbolizes the cross. I am not asking you to believe this.

We do indeed. My point is only that christianity does not have a monopoly on christmas trees or any other tree for that matter. Greenery (and especially evergreens) have been used for decorations thousands of years before little baby Jesus was born.

Agreed?

 

[woolf]

The Tradition of Christmas celebrates the Birth of Christ and then goes into Advent. You are right that Holy Week of Easter is the Highest of Holidays. Holy Thursday celebrates the Last Supper and Christ's arrest at the hands of Judas. Good Friday celebrates the Crucification of Christ and on the Third Day he arose from the dead. The Thing you fail to realize is that with His Birth we begining the fulfillment of the Prophecy.

But thank you for your trying to understand.

No, Advent comes before Christmas ... if a Christian wants to celebrate an "extended" Christmas, then they celebrate it from Dec 25th to Jan5 (12 days of Christmas is not just a song.)

Advent is suppose to be about preparing for the birth of Christ, not celebrating his birth ... that's why there is a Christmas and an Advent and not just one long Christmas.

It's amazing how many supposed "Christians" don't know there even is an Advent, let alone what it's all about ... yet they call themselves "Christian" and believe that this allows them to judge the morals of others.

Religion should be used to judge yourself ... if you believe in a God, then leave it up to God to judge the morals of others.

 

[danmand]

Here is an idea: Introduce a religious forum, in the spirit of separating religion and politics.

 

[danmand]

Here goes the girl in me, and truly sincerely without any sarcasm:

Awwwww, I like your reference oppose to just, "Jesus". Sooo cute! Remember, it's the girl in me, can't help that one.

Now, you want me out of here, right? lol
Aw, c'mon...I think politics is fun "bullshit" , not to disregard the seriousness. It can be fun, some form of it.

Not at all, you are a lot more fun and sincere than all the wooden conservatives that fill most of this forum.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Here is an idea: Introduce a religious forum, in the spirit of separating religion and politics.

Amen to that!

 

[jwmorrice]

Bear in mind, there are many denominations; remember also, they are free to believe whatever they choose. No person has a right to judge anyone's belief. I do not believe in religion. I do know where my faith lies, and I am free to believe whatever, in whomever I please, and so are you.

Sounds like an excuse to avoid logic, facts, and self-examination, and indulge in any sort of lazy-minded prejudices.

jwm

 

[LancsLad]

Not at all, you are a lot more fun and sincere than all the wooden conservatives that fill most of this forum.

Woody is not a conservative, and anyway I resemble that remark