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mandrill

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I'm saying that about mRNA technology, well technically wikipedia and the rest of the world is saying it as you can see if you follow the link. If they were totally brand new, developed within 2 months to a year as some have said it would make it less reliable wouldn't it?
Early research



Timeline of some key discoveries and advances in the development of mRNA-based drug technology.

The first successful transfection of mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle into a cell was published in 1989.[16][17] "Naked" (or unprotected) mRNA was injected a year later into the muscle of mice.[3][18] These studies were the first evidence that in vitro transcribed mRNA could deliver the genetic information to produce proteins within living cell tissue[3] and led to the concept proposal of messenger RNA vaccines.[19][20][21]

Liposome-encapsulated mRNA was shown in 1993 to stimulate T cells in mice,[22][23] and mRNA proved useful two years later to elicit both humoral and cellular immune response against a pathogen.[3][24][25]

Development

The first human clinical trial using ex vivo dendritic cells transfected with mRNA encoding tumor antigens (therapeutic cancer mRNA vaccine) was started in 2001.[26][27] Four years later, the successful use of modified nucleosides as a method to transport mRNA inside cells without setting off the body's defense system was reported.[26][28] Clinical trial results of an mRNA vaccine directly injected into the body against cancer cells were reported in 2008.[29][30]

BioNTech in 2008 and Moderna in 2010 were founded to develop mRNA biotechnologies.[31][32] The US research agency DARPA launched at this time the biotechnology research program ADEPT to develop emerging technologies for the US military.[33][34] The agency recognized the potential of nucleic acid technology for defense against pandemics and began to invest in the field.[33] DARPA grants were seen as a vote of confidence that in turn encouraged other government agencies and private investors to invest in mRNA technology.[34] DARPA awarded at the time a $25 million grant to Moderna.[35]

The first human clinical trials using an mRNA vaccine against an infectious agent (rabies) began in 2013.[36][37] Over the next few years, clinical trials of mRNA vaccines for a number of other viruses were started. mRNA vaccines for human use have been studied for infectious agents such as, influenza, Zika virus, cytomegalovirus, and Chikungunya virus.[38][39]

Acceleration

The COVID-19 pandemic, and sequencing of the causative virus SARS-CoV-2 at the beginning of 2020, led to the rapid development of the first approved mRNA vaccines.[40][41] BioNTech and Moderna in the December of the same year obtained approval for their mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines. On 2 December, seven days after its final eight-week trial, the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency became the first global medicines regulator in history to approve an mRNA vaccine, granting emergency authorization for Pfizer–BioNTech's BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine for widespread use.[42][43][44] On 11 December, the FDA gave emergency use authorization for the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and a week later similar approval for the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.[45]

This is the actual wikipedia piece. It was developed over 30 years. The first approved mRNA vaccine was developed over several weeks based on that research.

You're kind of wasting everybody's time with your responses here.
 

Platon

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Buddy, it's your English. You just don't speak and understand it well enough to have this kind of a discussion. "Fake", "scam", "grift", "fraud" are all interchangeable in this context. You think that you're catching me out in mistakes, but really you just don't speak English well enough to understand.

Yes, Trump got thrown off Facebook and Twitter when he lied about the election "being stolen" and created trouble. If you believe he really won the election, then you have bigger problems that I thought.
You said the guy is Fake but the guy is not (sorry but this has nothing to do with my English) :) Who told you I believe he won the election, why do you keep assuming stuff?
 

mandrill

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You said the guy is Fake but the guy is not (sorry but this has nothing to do with my English) :) Who told you I believe he won the election, why do you keep assuming stuff?
At this point, you are becoming a pest and a troll and you are ignoring my earlier posts about your poor English and lack of understanding of what I meant.

I'm putting you on ignore and moving on.
 
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Platon

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At this point, you are becoming a pest and a troll and you are ignoring my earlier posts about your poor English and lack of understanding of what I meant.

I'm putting you on ignore and moving on.
You'll be doing me a favor!
 

squeezer

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You just proved my point with your post. It's not like you live in the thread, you don't have to be here if you don't want to.
Face it, you're coming off as a dumbass. The more you post the more we can see you have entered a very deep dark rabbit hole.
 

Platon

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Face it, you're coming off as a dumbass. The more you post the more we can see you have entered a very deep dark rabbit hole.
Maybe I am to those who suggest people be jailed for a day and forcefully vaccinated.
 

squeezer

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Maybe I am to those who suggest people be jailed for a day and forcefully vaccinated.
If you protested at a hospital, vaccination clinic, stormed the Eaton Centre, harass a hostess asking for your vaccine passport, THEN 100% you belong in jail.
 
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seagerbuzz

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If you think Vaccine Passports and measures implemented to help curve a pandemic come even close to the holocaust and other injustices previous dictators have caused you are completely out to lunch.
You're so clueleess
 

basketcase

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It's completely appropriate and I'm hardly the only person(even Jewish person) seeing the threat and the similarities. ..
I see the groups of violent ideologues running around the street harassing people for doing their jobs as far more comparable to the development of the Nazi party than a government trying to actually keep people alive.
 
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basketcase

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Yes, that may be true but you are making two big assumptions: 1 The tech has changed significantly and 2 the guy doesn't know about the changes if they occurred.
Yes, the knowledge base has changed significantly. In the early '90s we weren't anywhere near having a feasible vaccine or delivery system.

But you're the one claiming this guy knows his shit despite the decades that have passed so I'm sure you can provide a link to the papers he's written on mRNA recently.
 

basketcase

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You said the guy is Fake but the guy is not (sorry but this has nothing to do with my English)...
Yes, this guy is a real person but his involvement was almost 30 years ago and the people who are currently working on it have a very low opinion of him.
 

basketcase

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At this point, you are becoming a pest and a troll and you are ignoring my earlier posts about your poor English and lack of understanding of what I meant.

I'm putting you on ignore and moving on.
No reason to bug the guy about his English. There's more than enough in his content worth criticizing.
 

seagerbuzz

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Then use the word control.

When you use the word Nazi it is fair to point out their tactics and how they are totally inappropriate if not totally disgusting. Nazis killed innocent people. If you are calling people Nazis, the 1st thing that comes to anybody's mind is the atrocities that they committed. It was their hallmark and is their legacy.

Nice try at backtracking. Actually, it was a poor and transparent try at backtracking.

Okay maybe you should contact Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David and tell them the same thing. Because we all know forced lockdowns forced vaccine mandate and requiring a vaccine passport just to travel to the gym isn't a Nazi tactic but waiting in line for great soup is.

 

mandrill

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Okay maybe you should contact Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David and tell them the same thing. Because we all know forced lockdowns forced vaccine mandate and requiring a vaccine passport just to travel to the gym isn't a Nazi tactic but waiting in line for great soup is.

You realize that Seinfeld was a comedy and the Soup Nazi wasn't real?
 
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Soup nazi was actually very funny so we all forgave it. Without the funny then it is just another overly dramatic use of language that is not appropriate.
 
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