ATTENTION, MASSAGE OWNERS, attendants and customers

[ruck]

Sure biker gangs are badass and tough... but they got nothing on the mafia/mob/Triads/Yakuza... Alberta is a good example... the Angel's leave the organized crime controlled places alone and vice versa... Calgary/Edmonton versus the rest of Alberta.

While movies like to overstate the mafia scene, in reality, the yakuza do not have a strong foothold on the Canadian market. It is more biker gangs (very organized and highly corrupted with very deep reaches into police and government), Italian Mafia and Triads. The triads are more interested in human trafficking and drugs, Italian Mafia is more with extortion, prostitution and drugs while the biker gangs will do anything to make money. The biker gangs are overlooked for some reason. They are highly organized, very lethal and extremely well established in every community.
If you ever notice a Hells Angels member with a spider web on his elbow, I suggest you stay away. It is a moniker of sorts, the kind you don't want to fuck with.

 

[goodtime]

Actually MP in various form in early 90's, probably before that, just not well known as to minority crowd. Not all MP are connected to bad element. Some are clean with decent owners. Just like you and me, out to make a buck.

Hells Angels are into pot grow-ops, web porn, and various 'legit investments'. RCMP, OPP has their eyes on them but Angels are too well connected and know the law well so trick to get them out. They know in advance when cops are coming to avoid the bust. Should see how efficient the Angels are at setup these operations.

 

[tonnyandreti]

solution

combine the two...

strip club + massage parlour = $$$

Go to strip joint ...have a drink...relax...check out eye cady..pick one...go for a massage in one of the rooms..the rooms have tinted windows where the MPA and you can see what is going on the stage!

lol, instead of Wana dance? you would hear...wana massage?

 

[foolnarnd]

Print your own money....

combine the two...

strip club + massage parlour = $$$

Go to strip joint ...have a drink...relax...check out eye cady..pick one...go for a massage in one of the rooms..the rooms have tinted windows where the MPA and you can see what is going on the stage!

lol, instead of Wana dance? you would hear...wana massage?

You sir are going to be rich one day.

 

[anon1]

combine the two...strip club + massage parlour = $$$

Ah.....memories of a certain SC on Yonge St. in Richmond Hill

 

[AA_date]

so many organized crime experts...someone should write a book.

 

[ruck]

so many organized crime experts...someone should write a book.

That's probably where most of the gents here have received their info.
I have first hand knowledge in the scene. Not too extreme but in my younger days, lets just say I was a bit shady. In the past I dealt, for a very brief period, with the lieutenent of drug trafficking for Hells Angels in Western Canada. He had just been released from the Big House for nefarious charges. Quite possibly the scariest man I've ever met in person. He also had the spider web on his elbow.
I also grew up with and around a lot of Italian people. Many, not all, had dealings or were directly linked to the mafia. It was strange, being an asian man, walking into a "social club" with old italian men playing UNO, and then suddenly stop to stare at me walking through the club. I was slightly nervous to say the least.
Anyways, some of the things I saw in these situations was sometimes a bit weird but allowed me to know what kind of people I would be forced to deal with if I chose that lifestyle. The money was easy but the people are hard. People you don't want to mess with. They dabbled in light and hard drugs, prostition out of SC's, extortion and many many beatings. I had a dealer who I frequented and one time he ended up with two broken knee caps. He said he tripped over a wire. The official word was the "brothers" were not happy with him and decided to teach him a lesson.
While I agree there might be "honest" mp operators, it's very unlikely. It is the turf of organized crime and rarely do they let "honest" people in on the gig. They will ask for retribution of some sort. Most likely in the form of outrageous monthly payments.

 

[goodtime]

If you live in certain part of Vaughan, good chance for a biker neighbor. If alert, see how fast they set up shop and move out in anticipation of crackdown. With several grow-ops on same block can quickly shift stock around. A certain neighbour sing like a bird whenever too much to drink and that's often...

Don't believe ub everything you read in the media, part of the propaganda campaign. Remeber the same talk about SC and in-calls, as prostitution rings, then crack house, followed by human trafficking, now it's underage girls. All depends which way the wind is blowing this season.

 

[drakkkar]

here we are, 2 and half years later, all the MP are still here and the escort agencies are growing like mushrooms.

so nothing happened according to the "brothers" 'plan of shutting down anything that is not SC??

 

[RayFinkel]

A few years ago myself and two friends would come home from downtown
after a night of hard core drinking and visit a few Rub & tuggs.

I always stole the clock on the wall, at one point I had 25 shitty clocks
in my Apartment. So if you had one stolen blame me.

Oh those were the days.

 

[eldoguy]

Mr Spiros

Why doesn't he, just go and sell or develope his property on the Queensway with btw already zoned for more ugly condominums, thanks to his politician friends. Who back in the day had a son of the mayor of Etobicoke managing his place, ha ha, and retire with his billions and live like Onasis back in his home country thanks to his deceased smart brother.

 

[Berlin]

Now if the Pro brings in a fresh batch of senoritas, I could be in trouble.

You're not alone. As far as I know, fresh import direct from the land of " rich & beautiful coast " or it's neighbours is almost close to impossible, unlike the good old days.

 

[Berlin]

.. strip club owner brothers in the Toronto area, they blame the total decline in thier strip club business on massage parlours, escorts and believe it or not even TERB!!!!!!!


...ramblings reguarding this subject for over a year, how they are going to CLOSE ALL TORONTO'S MASSAGE PARLOURS.

So after MP, what next ... escorts ?


Sweet dream folks.

 

[juanbrujo]

I have always thought that strip clubs were set up to be the perfect brothels. You have the big venue, the women, the men, the sex / vice of it all. Hell, you even have booze. If they could combine that with back room full service, you'd have a booming business. The problem with this model is that you've just gone over the top in offering too much for the public at large to handle. Not only do you have the sex angle, but you have the booze angle too which would create huge problems with drunks. For this reason, I don't see this scenario working, at least not in an urban environment.

This is what is offered in other countries.

 

[eldoguy]

Mexico for one!

 

[Doctor Zoidburg]

The strip club business is slow all across Canada.

A dancer in Montreal told me that when she started in the biz 10 years ago, she made $800 - $1200 a night. She tells me that she makes about $200 a night sometimes much less. There are many reasons why dancers do not want to be dancers anymore and why they do not make the money they use to make.

- Some dancers still have to pay the club for the priveledge of dancing at the club. this cuts into their earnings.

- The government have cracked down on criminals and their activities, because many of dirt bags are in prison they can no longer go to the clubs and slap down $1000 table and tell the girls to dance until the money is all gone. When they get out of prison, they are not allowed to be in certain establishments and can not associate with other convicted criminals once they get out of prison.

- There are many other diversions availible other than strip clubs, escorts and massage parlours are all over the place. Yes, they do take business away from the strip clubs.

- The profitability of the strip club business has been eroded by the high cost of running a business in a downtown location, taxes and maintainance.

- Competition in general is heating up in any biz. The escorts and massage parlours are getting cheaper and offering more to stay in business. The stripclubs are offering the same as they did years ago at highers prices.

- The world in general is changing, there are many things that use to be usual now are going away. For example shoe repair and laundrymats, they are outdated business models. It is cheaper to get new shoes because you can get quality fashionalble shoes made in China for a reasonable price. Washing machines and dryers can be had for $599 for the both, you could recouperate you $8 - $12 a week you would spend at a laundrymat within a year for the price of a washer and dryer. Not to mention the time and effort of lugging your clothes to the laundrymat.

- Other priorities in life, such as getting that new 4 chip computer will divert money away from strip clubs, escorts and massage parlours.

Killing off the massage parlours will not increase business for the strip clubs. If the strip clubs want more business, they will have to give more for less.
Some suggestions are for lingerie nights where the dancers all wear sexy lingerie. Another suggestion is for $10 per private dance on Mondays to Wedesdays when business is slow anyways.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

A dancer in Montreal told me that when she started in the biz 10 years ago, she made $800 - $1200 a night. She tells me that she makes about $200 a night sometimes much less. There are many reasons why dancers do not want to be dancers anymore and why they do not make the money they use to make.

Another reason she makes less now could be that she's 10 years older and the younger girls are getting some of her former customers .........

Ahhh Montreal, the land of the FS SC ...... too bad she isn't into that or she could make MORE than she used to ....... were the FS places around 10 years ago? If not, that would be another place some of the biz would be going to.

 

[train]

As you point out, they could have joined the MP business explosion in Metro TO and $1.6 million would have been better spent opening spas than fighting the massage industry.

Maybe they really are morons!

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#195

Exactly. Which is why I think this story is hogwash. Spend $1.6 and buy some spas, shut down your 416 strip clubs and sell the real estate and pay back Howard Moscoe and whoever else you have to.

Strip clubs started dying when they banned lap dancing.

 

[mcdoste]

My two cents worth.
Like many of my buddies, I seldom go to the SC anymore. It is simply too expensive for what is there. I could have easily spent upwards of $$$ an evening at a SC in the past and not regretted any of it. The ones we frequented were fun, had lots of ladies willing to spend some time with you and the VIP was really great. Now it is almost like you have a dollar sign pasted to your forehead. The girls don't make conversation, it's simply "want to by me a drink" or "want to buy a dance". Often even before you get an extremely overpriced beer.

I find it much more comfortable to spend my hard earned cash on a classy lady who enjoys her profession. I will gladly drop my $$$ on a FS GFE and bring my own wine. I know what I'm getting before hand as I've made my own selection.

I still visit the occasional SC only to have a cold beer because many of the small towns I visit during business have one close to my hotel. IMHO, Small town SCs don't seem to have quite the attitude. They also have colder beer.

 

[Questor]

Here we are, 2 and a half years later. Yes, I have to agree that it is an outdated business model. The public will not allow SCs to offer more in order to compete. Meanwhile MPs, as has been pointed out, are small, discreet, and fly under the radar.

I too started out in Montreal strip clubs before I even considered MPs or escorts. That was in the late 80s and I got very high mileage for $5 a song. It was a nice way to kill a few hours and have a few beers. But the way the industry has gone, with web pages for both escorts and MPs, incall/outcall, whatever you want, and such a great selection, SCs no longer appeal to me. They are a rip off.