Assault Rifles for Miami Police

jwmorrice

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Looks like there's an arms race in the sunshine state. Lovely! How will it end? Tactical nukes?? :rolleyes:

jwm

September 17, 2007
Miami Police Given Choice of Carrying Assault Rifles
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MIAMI, Sept. 16 (AP) —
Patrol officers here will have the option of carrying assault rifles as they try to combat the rise in the use of similar weapons by criminals, the city’s police chief said Sunday.

The chief, John F. Timoney, approved the policy last week, before a Miami-Dade police officer was killed on Thursday in a shootout with a man wielding an assault rifle.

“This is something we do not do with any relish,” Chief Timoney said. “We do this reluctantly.”

The policy had been under review for about a year after officers began seeing an increase in the weapons in the hands of criminals, the chief said.

Officers interested in the guns will have to undergo two days of training and be certified in their use. The Police Department does not yet have money to buy the assault rifles, and if officers want to use them immediately they will have to pay for them, Chief Timoney said.

Years ago, law enforcement specialists like SWAT teams were the only officers to carry assault weapons, but now even some small town police agencies are arming officers with the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M-16 rifle.

Patrol officers in Danbury, Conn., have been allowed to carry the weapons since 2003. Police departments in Merced, Calif., and Waterloo, Iowa, have put them in all patrol vehicles for several years. In Stillwater, Okla., about 70 miles west of Tulsa, every patrol officer is issued an AR-15.

Officers in Los Angeles have been equipped with the weapons since a 1997 gunfight outside a bank where police officers were out-gunned by a man armed with an AK-47. Officers in that situation had to go to a nearby gun store to get high-velocity weapons.

Chief Timoney said it had become apparent over the last year that Miami officers needed the option of more powerful weapons.

The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons. This year, 12 of the 60 homicides have involved the high-power guns.

In the shooting on Thursday, a man opened fire on four Miami-Dade County police officers with an assault rifle during a traffic stop, killing one of the officers and injuring the other three. Police killed the man hours later.

Officers using the weapons in Miami will shoot bullets designed to shatter after they have hit something to avoid striking bystanders or other unintended targets.

Not all officers may choose to carry the new weapon. But Chief Timoney said, “If I was a police officer out there in a tough neighborhood, I would want to have that in the car.”
 

danmand

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Go on vacation in Cuba, much safer.
 

Edifice

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As if they aren't trigger happy already. :rolleyes:
 

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danmand said:
Go on vacation in Cuba, much safer.
I was in Cuba during their military exercises a couple of years ago. They were training and preparing for a US invasion. Every male 18 to 40 had to participate, except for resort workers. Lots of guys in green fatigues standing around, no guns.
 
jwmorrice said:
Looks like there's an arms race in the sunshine state. Lovely! How will it end? Tactical nukes?? :rolleyes:

jwm

September 17, 2007
Miami Police Given Choice of Carrying Assault Rifles
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MIAMI, Sept. 16 (AP) —
Patrol officers here will have the option of carrying assault rifles as they try to combat the rise in the use of similar weapons by criminals, the city’s police chief said Sunday.

The chief, John F. Timoney, approved the policy last week, before a Miami-Dade police officer was killed on Thursday in a shootout with a man wielding an assault rifle.

“This is something we do not do with any relish,” Chief Timoney said. “We do this reluctantly.”

The policy had been under review for about a year after officers began seeing an increase in the weapons in the hands of criminals, the chief said.

Officers interested in the guns will have to undergo two days of training and be certified in their use. The Police Department does not yet have money to buy the assault rifles, and if officers want to use them immediately they will have to pay for them, Chief Timoney said.

Years ago, law enforcement specialists like SWAT teams were the only officers to carry assault weapons, but now even some small town police agencies are arming officers with the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M-16 rifle.

Patrol officers in Danbury, Conn., have been allowed to carry the weapons since 2003. Police departments in Merced, Calif., and Waterloo, Iowa, have put them in all patrol vehicles for several years. In Stillwater, Okla., about 70 miles west of Tulsa, every patrol officer is issued an AR-15.

Officers in Los Angeles have been equipped with the weapons since a 1997 gunfight outside a bank where police officers were out-gunned by a man armed with an AK-47. Officers in that situation had to go to a nearby gun store to get high-velocity weapons.

Chief Timoney said it had become apparent over the last year that Miami officers needed the option of more powerful weapons.

The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons. This year, 12 of the 60 homicides have involved the high-power guns.

In the shooting on Thursday, a man opened fire on four Miami-Dade County police officers with an assault rifle during a traffic stop, killing one of the officers and injuring the other three. Police killed the man hours later.

Officers using the weapons in Miami will shoot bullets designed to shatter after they have hit something to avoid striking bystanders or other unintended targets.

Not all officers may choose to carry the new weapon. But Chief Timoney said, “If I was a police officer out there in a tough neighborhood, I would want to have that in the car.”

JW: I'll admit it reflects a sad state of affairs in Miami...But the Question is:
Is it a reasonable request of the front line cops?
I'd say, it is.
 

LancsLad

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I watched a thing on TV last week about that shootout at the bank. It was a documentary with live footage from the time and interviews now with the cops still around that were there.



If i were a Police officer in the Miami are I would want to have as much firepower as i could. There seems to be no limit on what the criminals can carry so should we expect the officers that protect us to have less.

I must say though that even if the Police had assault weapons if the perp gets to fire first in an ambush situation then you are dead/ injured no matter what weapon you are carrying.
 

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OPP is now equiped with the Colt AR-15 they are replacing the shotguns....buddy of mine just finished the training
 

hunter001

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Here is a solution PDW (Personal Defence Weapon). :rolleyes: lol
 

Doctor Zoidburg

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Assault rifles are not an advantage all the time.

It all depends on the circumstances and the situation, assault rifles are not always an advantage. It would make more sense to equip some patrolmen with assault rifles while the rest of the force carries along with their standard load duty weapon a double clip of higher power ammo in case of special situations. Even carrying these extra clips in their cars would be an advantage. In a situation where a patrolman has to enter a dangerous situation for example in a building, confined areas, or has to run and chase or is running and being chased an assault riffle would hinder his abilities to run, and aim at a suspect if nessesary.
It is only when a long range shot is nessesary that an assault riffle has the advantage. The mounties of 50 or 60 years ago use to carry 8 in. barreled Smith and Wessons. In the 60s plain clothed mounties still carries these 8 in cannons under thier coats. Most cops and suspects are shot within 30 ft. therefore a snub nosed revolver would do the job quit well.
As for the cases where a suspect may be have superior fire power, such as an assualt rifle. I can think of several loads of ammo in the 40. caliber variety that will cut down such vermin.
Just a point of trivia, many people think that UZI sub-machine guns are very accurate. I can tell you that after a clip of 30 rounds of 9mm. ammo, the barrel becomes so hot and enlarged that accuracy suffers. This gun is only good in a hit and run situation, where ammo is sprayed in all direction to cause a panic.
If I was walking or riding the streets I would prefer a 40. caliber pistol with standard loads for regular use. With 2 clips of high powered loads on the belt.
In a situation where I have take a defensive position or make a tactical assault on suspects. I can pin them down or return fire with a good auto pistol much better than with a assualt weapon. One exception to this would be the Heckler Koch MP5. in the .40 caliber version, but you cop department will have to walk around like German SS troops with Shmiesers. ( The HK Model MP5 is a short assault rifle )
 

LancsLad

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Range of engagement is also a major consideration. At a distance the handgun is only good for harrassing people, you may get lucky and hit someone but its not like the movies where the guy takes careful aim with a regular handgun and plugs the bad guy at 100 yds.
Handguns generally effective to 15 yds , maybe 25 beyond that go to the long gun. Interior work, building entry use of shortened rifle ( US MP4?) with frangible ammo but it does restrict mobility. Use it till to close, then let it sling and use the handgun.
 

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Wow.... I still live in Miami. Crazy shit is always goin on there. I'm def glad to be in TO for half the year now !! It really is getting bad over there. All the clubs I frequent in SouthBeach there's at least one shooting a month. I don't go out much anymore cuz it really isn't safe too !!! I urge everyone not to go on vaca there !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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DOManica said:
Wow.... I still live in Miami. Crazy shit is always goin on there. I'm def glad to be in TO for half the year now !! It really is getting bad over there. All the clubs I frequent in SouthBeach there's at least one shooting a month. I don't go out much anymore cuz it really isn't safe too !!! I urge everyone not to go on vaca there !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duly noted.

Miami was on my list.
 

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I don't know if JMW was for or against the cops being equipped but as for my opinion, give the cops whatever they need to do their job effectively.

As for an AR, not the best weapon for a frontline officer to have. The 223 round is so light it probably wouldn't go through a door. I know in Vietnam that soldiers were complaining that it would hit a twig or small branch and deflect away from the target.

Now sub-machine guns like the MP5 or MP7, they are spray and pray weapons. Because of the high rate of climb when on full or semi auto after the first two shots, you're lucky to be shooting anything but the ceiling.
 
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