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Kautilya

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How many Gay Pride events do you think there are in any Islamic country?...But they are held in Israel...Hmmm.
Yeah gay pride events are the most important when people are getting genocided. So your argument is that it is okay to mass murder people because they dont support gay rights? Or support their genocide for that matter, while you oppose the same things here? Make it make sense.

By that argument you'd be defending Hamas for their mass murder because the majority of Israelis (56%) dont support gay rights either.

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Can someone please decode this post for me?
He is saying you are an anti-LGBTQ culture warrior from North America, who is trash talking anti-LGBTQ culture warriors from the middle east, just because they are Muslim. Come on Oracle they are your buddies!
 
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Yeah gay pride events are the most important when people are getting genocided. So your argument is that it is okay to mass murder people because they dont support gay rights? Or support their genocide for that matter, while you oppose the same things here? Make it make sense.

By that argument you'd be defending Hamas for their mass murder because the majority of Israelis (56%) dont support gay rights either.

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He is saying you are an anti-LGBTQ culture warrior from North America, who is trash talking anti-LGBTQ culture warriors from the middle east, just because they are Muslim and brown. Come on Oracle they are your buddies!
LOL.There's no genocide, there is a Hamaside however...Alphabet crowd exist and thrive in Israel...They're non existent in any other Islamic country..There's a worthy cause for you to trumpet.
 
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LOL.There's no genocide, there is a Hamaside however...Alphabet crowd exist and thrive in Israel...They're non existent in any other Islamic country..There's a worthy cause for you to trumpet.
Are you saying the 70% of the 35000 who are dead, who are women and children are Hamas? The only way you consider this not a genocide is if you were to consider ALL Palestinians to be Hamas, which is basically support for genocide, because then you support killing 2.2M people. I wont even go into the official definition of genocide as laid out by the genocide convention because if you read the definition and then evaluated the situation in Gaza it would immediately show you that it is infact genocide.

The alphabet crowd exist in every country in the world. The only difference is if they can express themselves. The fact that they dont have those rights in Islamic countries, does not in anyway justify less empathy for their genocide. Infact people like you who bring up LGBTQ rights in this context do not even support these rights anyway, so why are you talking about it?. Those people are doing exactly what you support!
 
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Are you saying the 70% of the 35000 who are dead, who are women and children are Hamas? The only way you consider this not a genocide is if you were to consider ALL Palestinians to be Hamas, which is basically support for genocide, because then you support killing 2.2M people. I wont even go into the official definition of genocide as laid out by the genocide convention because if you read the definition and then evaluated the situation in Gaza it would immediately show you that it is infact genocide.

The alphabet crowd exist in every country in the world. The only difference is if they can express themselves. The fact that they dont have those rights in Islamic countries, does not in anyway justify less empathy for their genocide. Infact people like you who bring up LGBTQ rights in this context do not even support these rights anyway, so why are you talking about it?. Those people are doing exactly what you support!
Not a genocide...This has been debunked..If Israel wanted to they would have leveled Gaza by now.

Now Hamas by charter is all about genocide...And we all have seen the overwhelming support Hamas has in Gaza.
 

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Not a genocide...This has been debunked..If Israel wanted to they would have leveled Gaza by now.

Now Hamas by charter is all about genocide...And we all have seen the overwhelming support Hamas has in Gaza.
Yeah it is because it has been debunked we have a UN special report on it. By the way, if your support for genocide is because of Palestinian support for Hamas, then you are saying that thought crimes should be punished by murder. Yet, you have "Resist Oppression" in your signature, which is exactly what the Palestinians are doing.

Anatomy of a Genocide – Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967 to Human Rights Council – Advance unedited version (A/HRC/55/73)
March 24, 2024
Human Rights Council
Fifty-fifth session

26 February–5 April 2024
Agenda item 7
Human Rights situation in Palestine and other occupied Arab territories

Conclusions

93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials.
 
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There is no reason for ALL students to know why exactly they are protesting. There are students who know why they are protesting and who organize these protests. There are others who join in to support their friends. There are still others who join in because "something is happening". However it is absolutely okay and expected for some students to not know why they are protesting.

Case in point, there are many pro-Israel supporters on this board, who know jack shit about the history of Israel and Palestine and simply keep repeating the same ignorant, and default racist and Islamophobic bullshit that support for Palestine is support for Islamic fundamentalism or criticism of Israel is antisemitism etc., Their motivations are not informed opinions, but rather pre-existing implicit biases, expressed as support for Israel or Jews in general.

Also remember a lot of these interviews are cherry picked and presented to push an agenda or narrative to make it look like the demands of the students are entirely unreasonable. I am sure you could interview knowledgeable students and present the exact opposite view and it would look like ALL the students protesting could run for the Presidency/Prime Ministership tomorrow.

Translation: its ok for uninformed (possibly paid) nitwitts to protest because they protesting in favour of Kautilya's position.

if they are students why are they not studying

my response to your next diatribe just might be " no comment''
 

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Translation: its ok for uninformed (possibly paid) nitwitts to protest because they protesting in favour of Kautilya's position.

if they are students why are they not studying

my response to your next diatribe just might be " no comment''
Yes, that is the beauty of a democracy where anyone can protest, and show support for any cause. Informed or not.
 
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Yes, that is the beauty of a democracy where anyone can protest, and show support for any cause. Informed or not.
A. what is the value of an informed protestor who has objectively evaluated the pros and cons of the issue and determined his / hers opinion needs to be heard?
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B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?

numbers prevail over rational thought ?

if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
lets stipulate the question is completely independent of any specific issue , just to see if you are capable of unbiased rational thinking
 
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Kautilya

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A. what is the value of an informed protestor who has objectively evaluated the pros and cons of the issue and determined his / hers opinion needs to be heard?
vs
B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?

numbers prevail over rational thought ?

if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
lets stipulate the question is completely independent of any specific issue , just to see if you are capable of unbiased rational thinking
You will always have both A and B regardless of what the cause is. The people who organized these protests, and many others supportive of these protests are very knowledgeable. Certain others are supporting it because they want to stand by their friends. And a few others are in it for the hype.

This is the case anywhere. This is true of a country's elections as well. There are people who make informed voting choices and there are people who make uninformed choices. Certain others make emotional choices. Certain others make choices out of voting habits.

These are flaws in a democratic system we have to accept and live with.
 
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