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Are women Equal To Men?

Arabian Guy

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Hi guys,
I want to discuss the equality issue form a biblical prespective. I think this is an easier topic to debate. So here we go

lets start from birth

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

OKay so for a Male Child , His mother would be unclean for 7 days

what about if she gets a girl?

"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)

Oh now if she gives birth to a female child, she is unclean for 14 Days.

Hence a female birth would defile her mother twice as much as for a boy.

That is biblical equality for you at birth. Boys and Girls when they are infant have not much difference between them, Both scientificallly are closer to being a female than a male, It is later on that one develops into male and the other into a female according to their genetic make up (XY versus XX)

Ok so no equality since birth.

But are they equal if they are adults?

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

So women are seen as slaves for men. Man is the head of the woman just as much as Christ is the head of every man..

But that is not all , a woman is not only inferior to a man but she should also suffer great pains during child birth by the order of a "So called Loving GOD"
Here we read :

"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband,and he will rule over you."

So The Loving God Jesus, the God Of the bible, will increase her pain at giving birth " Greatly".

I mean that is Jesus Love for women , and Biblical Equality right there.

Not only that, but the bible blaims all sins on women
"And a man will choose...any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman...Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die" Ecclesiasticus, 25:18, 19 & 33.

"And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her." Ecclesiastes 7:26, from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)

But lets see , at worship in the church what must a woman do?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says, If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

Women should remain silent, Like a wooden Chair in church!!



What do you think? You think this is fair?
 

frankcastle

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Funny how AG is pointing this out seeing as the arabic culture is famous for its excellent treatment of women.
 

Arabian Guy

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frankcastle said:
Funny how AG is pointing this out seeing as the arabic culture is famous for its excellent treatment of women.
As you said, there are cases where men tread women badly due to cultures, but again as you said these are cultural things, that maybe or may not be followed. They are not however, religous Doctorines , revealed from GOD, the one who is supposed to be fair to all "his sons and creatures"

I cultural things are human based. Religous things are supposed to be revelations from a supreme fair being. ANd that is fairness and equality as far as the bible is concerned
 

Arabian Guy

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Well not only that

Lets see this

M't:25:1: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

so each man , when they go to heaven, In the Kingdome of God, will have 10 Virgin girls for them

so that is to say Heaven is like 10 virgins for one man

what to say that?
 

Mcluhan

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let's say you took the sperm from 1000 men and froze it. Then kill all the men on the planet. And all the male babies on going.

Would humanity survive?

There's your answer.
 

frankcastle

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Arabian Guy said:
As you said, there are cases where men tread women badly due to cultures, but again as you said these are cultural things, that maybe or may not be followed. They are not however, religous Doctorines , revealed from GOD, the one who is supposed to be fair to all "his sons and creatures"

I cultural things are human based. Religous things are supposed to be revelations from a supreme fair being. ANd that is fairness and equality as far as the bible is concerned
I'd imagine that the cultural aspects you are referring to have a basis in religion.
 

Arabian Guy

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frankcastle said:
I'd imagine that the cultural aspects you are referring to have a basis in religion.
Nope. culteral things dont have basis in religon, its the other way around. religous leaders put some aspects of a culture into the religon to make it more acceptable to the people
 

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Arabian Guy said:
Nope. culteral things dont have basis in religon, its the other way around. religous leaders put some aspects of a culture into the religon to make it more acceptable to the people
Interesting I'd say that north american culture has it's roots in christianity. Not the other way around.
 

Arabian Guy

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frankcastle said:
Interesting I'd say that north american culture has it's roots in christianity. Not the other way around.
Nope, Europian culture and jewish Culture influenced the roots of contemporary christain beleives, now since christiaity lived since then, it carried with it these roots and people mistakenly say that the origins of the cultural system is from religon of christianity, when infact its the otherway around.
 

frankcastle

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So are you saying that mistreatment of women in arabic countries is strictly a cultural thing with no basis in religion?
 

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frankcastle said:
So are you saying that mistreatment of women in arabic countries is strictly a cultural thing with no basis in religion?

I think the abuse of women here in north america is more than other societies. Take a look at the statistics in north america a lone and you will be in shook
 

Arabian Guy

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frankcastle said:
So are you saying that mistreatment of women in arabic countries is strictly a cultural thing with no basis in religion?
Arabs in the old times used to sell women into slavery. Christians and jews did to according to their God orders. It was a common practice back then

A man sells his daughter into slavery as shown here : Ex:27:1: And thou shalt make an altar of shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.

so in the cultures at that time women were being sold into slavery , so all cultures mistreated women in the middle east. But The Christain/Jews maintained this as part of a religous dectorine, even saying how much a maid would be sold as and how much a male servet would be sold as...

But all in all, its has cultual origins, and cultures are affected by many superstitions and falsehoods, and so the people who used to sell women in the middle east and europe into slavery thought that this would bring them good fortune from God for obaying his orders
 

Arabian Guy

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hyderman said:
I think the abuse of women here in north america is more than other societies. Take a look at the statistics in north america a lone and you will be in shook

I agree.
 

frankcastle

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hyderman said:
I think the abuse of women here in north america is more than other societies. Take a look at the statistics in north america a lone and you will be in shook
Never tried to suggest that it was better in n. america. Merely that he's pointing this stuff out and all the irony invovled. Yet his own culture is equally guilty of these same types of behaviour.

Others might argue that in certain cultures women are less likely to report abuse so numbers appear lower.
 

Arabian Guy

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frankcastle said:
Never tried to suggest that it was better in n. america. Merely that he's pointing this stuff out and all the irony invovled. Yet his own culture is equally guilty of these same types of behaviour.

Others might argue that in certain cultures women are less likely to report abuse so numbers appear lower.
but your forgetting, My culture, if this happened, they are not doing this out of Religous dectorine, or Godly or holy orders as wirtten in a biblical sence. Men who do it represent themselves, and do it out of anger or outrange of the moment, not by some supreme biblical and heavinly orders. you see the difference here?

It is worng to abuse women. But it is more wrong for a Religous GOD who is supposed to be fair, to Support abuse of women, and Murdering them and causing them pain and suffering. Jesus Christ did that, and threatened to even kill children.

He never had a girlfriend, only 12 gay friends, which were his students (he seduced them using homosexual deviance). He even was rude to his own mother Mary Magdalene, screaming in her face and calling her WOMAN , in a rude way.

So i think its the ultimate wrong for a "GOD" to do and support that. Yet you worship him, all christians regard him as GOD or son of GOD.
 

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Define equal.

equal in rights or in general?
 
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