Are we being discriminated against?

[onthebottom]

Interesting topic, while I no longer partake in the hobby it is certainly stigmatized, much more down here than up there.....

I can never understand those who want to push their own morals onto others....

Pop quiz though, who in your family could you tell about this, could you tell your best friends...... risky business, so to speak.

OTB

 

[LadyTY2Uall]

I have somewhat of a unique perspective on this subject, since I'm heavily "immersed" in it (via continuous contact through TERB) but don't partake... This being the case, my point of view may be different than most...

The thing is, the public misconception of people in "the hobby" needs to change. I feel the public for the most part is grossly misinformed. Before I found TERB, I figured all the "hookers" were a bunch of crack whores with pimps, and that all the "John's" were a bunch of low life losers that couldn't get laid to save their lives. Through conversations with people I socialize with and come in contact with on a daily basis, that is pretty much the impression of what public opinion is... and they generally have NO IDEA what the situation REALLY IS!

Since finding Terb and getting "to know" many of the members here, my opinion on the subject has taken an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT (read totally opposite!) direction. I have met some genuinely wonderful people (well their on-line persona's anyway) on this site. I have "met" some highly intelligent, truly incredible and loving human beings in some of the women that work in this industry. I have also "met" some truly inspirational and misunderstood guys that happen to use the services of professional girlfriends for a variety of reasons! (I will not get into any morality/ infidelity issues here, since that is not at all for me to judge…)

There are people here from all walks of life, from the blue collar worker to Lawyers and Doctors, and leaders of industry and of course everything in between! It really was an eye opener for me!

Yes, there is the occasional asshole that shows up every once in awhile (e.g. "ENOUGH", "Moeman" & "David Jenson" spring to mind immediately LOL!), and a few of those "lovable" character types we all know and love but for the most part TERB has a pretty awesome membership. If people would simply take the time to get to know the people that work and play in the industry, I think they would NOT be so quick to judge, and/ or discriminate against them.
**steps off soapbox**

Yeah CG,,,,You go on with your bad self

 

[nolabel]

... one segment of society is allowed to engage in sex and it is legal but another segment of society engages in sex and it is illegal. How about we call it PERSECUTION!

Last time I checked, I believe you're only talking about one and the same segment. Everyone can have sex. There are just social conventions about when, where, and why. It's not persecution when you cannot have sex in any fashion you choose and for any reason, for if that logic really applied, then pedaphilia and rape would come under the ambit of your definition of persecution (that is, rapists and pedaphiles are being persecuted). Obviously that's not what you intend, so clearly you should be careful not to associate persecution with any and all restrictions on people in society.

For those of you who say we are not discriminated against ... let's imagine the following:

I go for a job interview but before the job interview I decide to visit a massage parlour. I have all the qualifications necessary for the job. I ace the interview ... except the interviewer had spotted me going into the massage parlour before the interview. Is it possible that I am not going to get that job?

You would file a wrongful termination suit, or something similar, and probably win. You would have suffered from social stigma not related to your job performance. Did you notice that married politicians recently caught in 'scandals', such as getting it on the (paid) side, resigned, rather than get fired? We're talking social stigma of some choices here, not outright exclusion, because most of your life is unaffected.

. . . Discrimination occurs in degrees, like everything else . . . for some reason you are assuming that discrimination does not actually occur here . . . Discrimination is discrimination

So which is it? Does discrimination occur in degrees or is it an absolute (discrimination is discrimnination)? If you have not got the very contours of discrimination clear in your mind, then maybe you should tread carefully in declaring that you have found it or not found it. Ironically, when you look at the social movements that fought hardest for civil rights (blacks, gays, women), one of their complaints was just this kind of sloppy thinking about what constituted discrimination.

Amen! The best hope is in generational changes in attitudes.

Exactly. We're mostly talking attitudes here: some sectors of society have some social choices, which ultimately do NOT define their entire being, that not everyone in society shares. I'm not saying OUR choices are not stigmatised. I'm not even saying some good old fashioned liberalisation of attitudes wouldn't be nice. I'm just saying that not everyone in society is going to share all the same values and attitudes, and that to cry discrimination when confronted with that raw fact is just not a productive way to think about discrimination. There are still real discriminations out there that are far more pervasive in their scope than social sanctioning of a few choices you make in regards to your sexual activities and discretionary income. Stop staring in the mirror.

 

[Rockslinger]

Would you be proud if your daughter was an escort?

Yes, if that is her free choice. I would also support her if she is lesbo or even if she chooses to be a lawyer, an investment banker or even a politician. (Well, maybe not a politician.)

Of course, my first choice would be for her to be CEO of RIM (so I can get a free Blackberry).

 

[Rockslinger]

It's not persecution when you cannot have sex in any fashion you choose and for any reason,

I was speaking of sex with another CONSENTING ADULT in PRIVATE.

 

[Sammy the Bull]

I'm heavily "immersed" in it (via continuous contact through TERB) but don't partake...

Another hobbyist in denial

 

[Rockslinger]

Just think 100 years ago, there was full out slavery. We have no concept now of how that could even occur.

There was also a time when it was illegal for women to vote.

The struggle for sexual freedom coincides with the struggle for human rights. Playboy in the 1950's and 1960's. Decriminalization of homos in the 1970's. Baring breasts in the 1980's. Bottomless in SC's in the 1980's. Touching in SC's in the 1990's. Escort ads in NOW magazine in the 1990's. MPA handjobs in the 00's. Adult sex clubs in the 00's. The "White Man" fought sexual liberalization tooth and nail every inch of the way.

 

[Cycleguy007]

Another hobbyist in denial

I wish we COULD partake... I keep suggesting to Mrs. CG to let me find her a professional GF... I have a short TDL and everything... but, ever since she met Mrs. ang... she's not interested in a PGF anymore!

 

[nolabel]

I was speaking of sex with another CONSENTING ADULT in PRIVATE.

You can do that any day you like with anyone that will have you. If no 'civilians' will have you then you have outcall legally available, plus your own hands can give their consent too. With so many choices available to you, don't cry discrimination.

 

[Rockslinger]

I wish we COULD partake... !

You have already partaken in your mind. Guilty as charged. Your sentence is no looking at nude labias for 2 months.

 

[Rockslinger]

With so many choices available to you, don't cry discrimination.

Any restriction is discrimination, segregation and/or persecution (call it what you want). Would you dare tell a Black man that he cannot dine in a restaurant in Yorkville but he is free to dine anywhere else? Rights do not come with a "notwithstanding clause".

 

[Cycleguy007]

Who appointed you judge, jury and executioner!

You have already partaken in your mind. Guilty as charged. Your sentence is no looking at nude labias for 2 months.

I'm sorry, but I find your ruling...

 

[nolabel]

The "White Man" fought sexual liberalization tooth and nail every inch of the way.

Alot of gay men were/are white. Stereotyping good, discrimination bad? Nope, just sloppy thinking. Where you do have a point is that liberalisation of attitudes was one weapon against discrimination. I totally agree. But I guess I'm saying there is a big difference between Libertarianism and Liberal Egalitarianism (if you don't know what they mean, look them up before flaming me!).

 

[Bear669]

What he sez!

Any restriction is discrimination, segregation and/or persecution (call it what you want). Would you dare tell a Black man that he cannot dine in a restaurant in Yorkville but he is free to dine anywhere else? Rights do not come with a "notwithstanding clause"

It becomes increasingly clear that Nolabel is not capable of rational discourse, logical thought, and correct use of the English language.

 

[nolabel]

Any restriction is discrimination, segregation and/or persecution (call it what you want). Would you dare tell a Black man that he cannot dine in a restaurant in Yorkville but he is free to dine anywhere else? Rights do not come with a "notwithstanding clause".

I am glad we got that one cleared up. I mean, I am restricted from shooting you on every single day of this year. I feel so discriminated against, so segregated, so persecuted.

Your exampe of the Black man being denied dining in one place is an example of discrimination, of course, but not EVERY restriction is an act of discrimination, etc. If that kind of reasoning - every restriction is discrimination - is so susceptible to counter-arguments (eg: shooting you), then it should make you think twice about trotting it out.

 

[Rockslinger]

Alot of gay men were/are white.

You are obviously still fairly new to the Board. When I say the "White Man", I mean the authorities who govern every nuance of our lives. Currently, the "White Man" means Blair, Miller, McGuinty and Harper.

 

[Rockslinger]

I mean, I am restricted from shooting you on every single day of this year. I feel so discriminated against, so segregated, so persecuted.

The restriction against shooting people applies to EVERYONE in our society, not just you.

 

[Kya_Jean]

It becomes increasingly clear that Nolabel is not capable of rational discourse, logical thought, and correct use of the English language.

I could have told you that!

Personally, I will take TBOY over this one.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.

 

[nolabel]

It becomes increasingly clear that Nolabel is not capable of rational discourse, logical thought, and correct use of the English language.

Are you serious, Bear669?

If so . . . Why? Because I won't go along with the herd in self-righteously labelling myself discriminated against? Yep, I am so bad because I think a well-off white professional shouldn't be watering down a real social evil with my own petty complaints about not getting to do whatever I want.

 

[nolabel]

You are obviously still fairly new to the Board. When I say the "White Man", I mean the authorities who govern every nuance of our lives. Currently, the "White Man" means Blair, Miller, McGuinty and Harper.

I guess I will think "right" once indoctrinated by the board? Who is the governing authority now?

The restriction against shooting people applies to EVERYONE in our society, not just you.

I guess that means EVERYONE is discriminated against? But it still totally discredits your idea that ANY restriction constitutes discrimination, which was my point.

I could have told you that!QUOTE]

Still confusing disagreement with disrespect. One can disagree with someone's opinion without disliking them, you know.