Toronto Escorts

Are there going to be any NEW Leafs...

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
Oh, BTW, what did Calgary demonstrate in the playoffs?

Anyone?

I'll tell you - that LUCK plays a big factor in any seven-game series.
If you disagree, I'm currently accepting wagers about how well they'll do this year. That despite how incredible Pistol thinks their D is. LOL
 

21pro

Crotch Sniffer
Oct 22, 2003
7,830
1
0
Caledon East
why bash the leafs? they do it to themselves every post-season...
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
No, you're mistaking the Leafs for the Senators, whom the Leafs bash every post-season.
:D
 

Leaffan1976

Leafs nation member!
Apr 4, 2004
535
0
0
Thornhill
and the leafs will do it again next season! As far as Lindros coming to Toronto is a gamble considering his concussion history. The good news being is that he has stated he would like to play in Toronto. A lot of players say they want to play here! So if the leafs go ahead and sign him let's hope it turns out a wise investment. IMO worth a shot!
 

BlahBlah

New member
Dec 2, 2001
658
0
0
Ranger, I refuse to accept a few good regular seasons as justifiable results when we've gone 37 years without a Stanley Cup, or even a birth in the finals! Do the research on how many teams have not made it to the finals in that time. There is very, very few. Among those who have in recent years: Tampa Bay Lightning, Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Florida Panthers, Washington Capitals, Buffalo Sabres...
I do not believe for a second that this organization does not care about winning, I think they very badly want to, and the payroll demonstrates that. What I do believe is that those at the top are incompetent. That's much worse than being indifferent!
Who's the last Leafs' superstar that they drafted and developed (and stayed with the team, not moved on to other teams)? They have no homegrown talent, and haven't for years, if not decades.
And for where the Leafs finished in the standings each of the past few years, how does it relate to their payroll? By that I mean if they had the 5th highest payroll, were they the 5th best team in the league? If they were lower than that, than the results do not match the reasonable expectations.
I love the Leafs, but the management continues to give me no confidence that a Stanley Cup is in sight. Our only hope is that the NHL have a very short season so that the old guys don't break down.
 

pistol

New member
Nov 7, 2001
107
0
0
Leafs D

Well Ranger we can continue to disagree.

Calgary were missing Gauthier and Lydman throughout most of the playoffs. Their 7th and 8th guys played rather successfully. Plus, they have phaneuf waiting his turn.

Vancouver lacks depth? Ohlund, Jovo, Sopel are clearly 3 very good players. Salo and Malik are proven veterans. Stuart a rising star and, an enforcer/role player in Brookbank. solid 1-7.

I agree with Tampa. No names. No stars. No brain cramps. Got the job done under pressure.

As for the Wings, are you saying you would have to think about whether you would rather ice Lidstorm, Schneider, Chelios, Hatcher, Wooley, Dandenault and Fischer or, the Leafs D? Not many question marks here. As you say, come on be objective.
The Wings lossess to Anaheim and Calgary had more to do with their inability to score than to defend. They have become team similar to Toronto, in that they have too many old players who cannot stand up to the grind of the post season.

I will admit that upon reflection rating Klee as a 4-5 was harsh. He is a 3-4, but on no contending team would he be a 2 including Toronto. He was a minus player on a plus team.

By the way, somehow I left New Jersey off my list.
Neidmeyer-Ralfalski-Stevens-White-Hale-Martin-Alebelin-Brown.
Probably the best d corps in the league.

As for Calgary making the playoffs, this is strange offer from the guy who preaches constantly that even on the nights when Eddie stops 50 pucks the Leafs haven't been outplayed because he is part of the team. No one is saying that the Flames are a better team. What I am saying they have a group of defensemen that is deeper and better collectively (they clearly have no Brian Leetch for sure!) now and, has far more potential into the future.

My point here isn't to bash the Leafs. My point is they have as much or more talent than virtually anyone on their top two lines. They have three very solid d-men and one of the better tenders.
They have plenty of character and leadership!
In my view, they lack defensive foot soldiers up front and the steady stay at home guys every championship team has on the back end. This has been the case for sometime. Rather than addressing these issues, they continue acquire guys like Francis, Gilmour, Housely, Berehowsky and Johannson. For what purpose?
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
BlahBlah said:
Ranger, I refuse to accept a few good regular seasons as justifiable results when we've gone 37 years without a Stanley Cup, or even a birth in the finals! Do the research on how many teams have not made it to the finals in that time. There is very, very few. Among those who have in recent years: Tampa Bay Lightning, Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Florida Panthers, Washington Capitals, Buffalo Sabres...
I do not believe for a second that this organization does not care about winning, I think they very badly want to, and the payroll demonstrates that. What I do believe is that those at the top are incompetent. That's much worse than being indifferent!
Who's the last Leafs' superstar that they drafted and developed (and stayed with the team, not moved on to other teams)? They have no homegrown talent, and haven't for years, if not decades.
And for where the Leafs finished in the standings each of the past few years, how does it relate to their payroll? By that I mean if they had the 5th highest payroll, were they the 5th best team in the league? If they were lower than that, than the results do not match the reasonable expectations.
I love the Leafs, but the management continues to give me no confidence that a Stanley Cup is in sight. Our only hope is that the NHL have a very short season so that the old guys don't break down.
But "those at the top" have changed over and over again.
So, are we to believe that they're all incompetent?
Everyone who doesn't win is incompetent?
Hey, I could use that argument about Dan Marino - he never won, so he's obviously not very good. You can't *disprove* that kind of nonsense, you can only argue against it.

As for payroll absolutely equating to finish, it never works out that way. If you want to prove a correlation between payroll and finishing position, go ahead. I think it's there. You could then look at how the Leafs have done relative to that correlation.
Until then, it's just all guess-work ...
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
Salo's a "proven veteran" while Kaberle should be the fifth or sixth defenseman? :rolleyes: Stuart and Brookbank are demonstrably better than Pilar and Colaiacovo? All have upsides - all have serious downsides. I think it's *arguable* that Vancouver's defense is better than ours - I don't think it's obvious.

Detroit: Schneider and Kaberle are of a sort - all offense, no D. Leetch is close to Lidstrom - too old now to really compare, but ... Chelios? How much does he have left? McCabe's far better at this point - way more offense than any of those guys you've mentioned. Dandenault's so good that he regularly plays forward. Come on.

I disagree that NJ's D is the best in the league. Rafalski's another all offense guy, Stevens now has SERIOUS injury concerns, White's prone to more blowouts than anyone we've yet talked about and has ZERO mobility, Albelin's much like Berg - come on, now - get objective. The rest are journeymen or prospects.

What's so strange about the offer? The simple fact is that teams that drastically improve one year are very likely to decline the next. Calgary was in the bottom half of the playoff race and likely won't qualify this year. ... ? ... They're much like all young teams - lots of potential, lots of downside.

My point is that three solid D-men is most of what you need - if you're arguing that the lack of a solid fourth guy is a telling weakness, I think you're exaggerating. And I think that Kaberle is a better fourth defenseman than most teams have, comparable to most of the obvious contenders. All it takes is for one or two of the depth guys to step up and be recognized by Quinn - Berg, Marchment, Colaiacovo, Berehowsky.

Again, my point is that most of the defensive shortcomings on this team start from the forwards, most of whom refuse to put the body on players or backcheck with energy and effectiveness. This puts tremendous pressure on the D and Eddie.
 

RemyMartin

Active member
Jan 16, 2004
1,095
1
38
Ranger68 said:
Oh, BTW, what did Calgary demonstrate in the playoffs?

Anyone?

I'll tell you - that LUCK plays a big factor in any seven-game series.
If you disagree, I'm currently accepting wagers about how well they'll do this year. That despite how incredible Pistol thinks their D is. LOL
LUCK? not really, Calgary OUTPLAY every team in the playoff expect TB.
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
No, they outplayed every team they played - all three of them, before TB. And they were lucky to do so. They weren't that good a team.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, Remy - I'll bet you they don't repeat, or even make the playoffs this year.

LOL No, I thought not. :D
 

Hung Wei Lo

Member
Jul 20, 2003
176
0
16
I'm like CityTV - EVERYWHERE
I think for the most part, Calgary outWORKed the other teams they played - Sutter had done a good job with them and is a great coach. they may have the possibility to make the playoffs next year (if there's a next year) but they'll have to fight to the bitter end

on a side note: Pronger signed w/ St. Louis..I guess that kills the rumour of him playing for the buds :)
 

Manji

The Balance of Opposites
Jan 17, 2004
11,806
129
63
I wasn't holding my breathe!!

As much as I love to see Pronger in a Leafs jersey, I knew it wasn't happening (as all realistic Leaf fans).
 

pistol

New member
Nov 7, 2001
107
0
0
Leafs

Ranger, so Calgary were lucky but, when Eddie stops 50 shots a night and saves the Leafs bacon, he is part of the team and they weren't outplayed?
I guess all the experts who report Detroit, Colorado and Jersey are among the very best d corps in the NHL are just not well informed or, stupid.
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
the_big_E said:
How can you be lucky to outplay the other team?
Glad you asked.
:)
EVERYONE has to have luck to win. Anybody, anywhere, anytime. It's just a question of how lucky you got.
When Anaheim sweeps Detroit, that's a lotta luck.
When Toronto beats Ottawa in seven games (they both had similar numbers of points in the regular season), that's about the same amount of luck on both sides.
When Calgary beats teams that finished well ahead of them in the regular season, that's a lotta luck.

This isn't to denigrate the achievement. They outplayed them, obviously. But they were lucky to do so.
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
RemyMartin said:
I think they don't repeat either, I just said they were good last year.
Right. Exactly. They were lucky to do that, so you don't think they'll repeat.
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
Re: Leafs

pistol said:
Ranger, so Calgary were lucky but, when Eddie stops 50 shots a night and saves the Leafs bacon, he is part of the team and they weren't outplayed?
I guess all the experts who report Detroit, Colorado and Jersey are among the very best d corps in the NHL are just not well informed or, stupid.
It's just sad. Really, really sad. .....

Calgary outplayed everyone in the playoffs but Tampa. They were VERY lucky to do so, unless you think they spectacularly underachieved in the regular season. You clearly DON'T think so, since you think they're unlikely to repeat.

The Leafs had about as much luck as you'd expect in their run - they beat a team with a similar record, then lost to one with a similar record.

As for all those "experts", why don't you find some rankings and post them, and then we can discuss. Otherwise, you're talking out of your assh*le. As usual.

:)
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts