Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? ALL PARTS

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 1

Framing the Question..

I have seen this question posed many times on escort boards. I am opinionated on this subject, and thought I’d share those opinions along with reasoning and some background observations. You are welcome to read. You are also welcome to find another thread if this one is of no interest to you.

Let’s see now..the question posed is…Why are Canadian escorts so cool? It is further expanded to offer a comparison between them versus a US escort. Is it because all three of the well reviewed ladies I’ve seen have been good experiences versus my many years of flying blind in the states? ..Nah not me..perhaps the average one timer. Could it be that the skanks walking the block that I’m used of in Podunk, NY pale in comparison? Perhaps. Could it be that Canadian ladies are better actors, a major predicate to being perceived as “cool”. Perhaps.

I think the experience represented by the original author begs the question. I can’t agree with the unqualified premise that Canadian escorts are “better” or “cooler” than US escorts, particularly if that’s founded on a limited experience in Canada. Clearly such comparisons can’t involve observations of the attitudes of “civilian” US ladies versus Canadian ladies. Few of us here have had sufficient civilian experience with both to hazard a guess. Oprah has an audience in Canada too. American TV has a huge impact on Canadians, whether they admit it or not. There are many Canadian experts on American TV content..just ask them... Canadian laws about sex and race discrimination mirror ours in just about every form. Discussions on the race issue closely mirror those I’ve seen in any American forum. Why the laws if the practice they seek to limit doesn’t exist? Prostitution is legal in Canada for the most part, yet still evidence exists that it’s just as disparaged. This disparagement, coupled with societal practices are bound to have some impact on the attitude of the average provider. So given just these few surface observations, how can we possibly state with conviction that Canadian escorts are “cooler”. I don’t disagree in total with this assertion; I just believe it deserves a more detailed discussion. I’ll apologize in advance, as I have little time to polish these thoughts.

cont to part 2

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 2

The Escort Experience..acting contributes to the fantasy of “cool”

A one or two hour appointment with an escort reveals little about her real life demeanor. Her job as an escort is often practiced more as an actor, than one who conveys a true sense of herself. In fact, both parties are usually bound by constraints necessitating that they remain virtual strangers. She must necessarily compartmentalize her escort experience. The reality is that many ladies need that defense mechanism to cope with “being in the business”. I further believe it to be true that a well adjusted and confident lady will provide a superior experience. Clearly women with other choices in life will be happier in this business. I believe this observation to be true, regardless to country of origin. I also believe that on average, escorts see more than their share of angry distrustful men. The survivors and the “good” ones are those who develop ways to internalize these bad experiences. There seems to be an expectation from many men on this board that women have no other aims in life, and hence they seem almost shocked if not resentful when a lady informs them they have other avocations they wish to pursue. The “let me know where she turns up” statement contains plenty about the mentality of many clients; an underlying assumption that ”all this woman is in life is a sex provider”. There is something subliminally disturbing about that question. Almost reflexive in nature, i.e. the attitude you experience is often a reflection of the one you present.

Many clients would be offended to know what some escorts really think about them. We prefer to think that the act of sex and enthusiasm given during the session is equivalent to a measure of their esteem. The views posted by many of the well known ladies on this board are a small sample and a well rehearsed opinion suitable for a mixed audience. These women are fucking men who they’d have nothing to do with if no money was involved. Their average client may be twice their age. You’d be shocked if you had the real story. Those who dare post anything controversial using their business names, would immediately be threatened by boycott..regardless to the quality of her sessions.

cont. to part 3

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 3

Canadian Women are just as conflicted in their roles as escorts…

Unfortunately, for those who believe this business is victimless, nothing could be further from the truth. Studies done by respected Canadian researchers Cecilia Benoit and Alison Millar of the University of Victoria provide a detailed look at sex-trade workers. I believe these studies to be the most realistic as they only involved independent sex workers, not the stereotypical lady forced in to prostitution. I think we’d all agree that these are the choice control set to study the psychological impact, lifestyle and family background of those who chose the profession. Choice profession or not, many ladies suffer through or postpone regular relationships with the opposite sex. They get a daily dose of just how much they can expect in terms of fidelity in a relationship. Many carry lifelong psychological scars as a result, and that’s even if they can move on to other non-sex related pursuits. I’ve found little evidence that Canadian women are any more liberal in their attitudes toward fidelity than American women. In fact, US divorce laws and rate are almost identical. On top of all this, many men suffer from the misguided notion that using the services of an escort is a substitute for real relationship. This is not a US only phenomenon. The “falling in love with a provider” syndrome is an artifact of that notion. The guys who thrive on relationships with strippers are yet another example of preying on the mentality of the business.

continued to part 4

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 4 3

A little about What shapes my attitudes on the question..

I’ve used outcall escorts in the major Canadian centers, i.e. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal over the last 11 years. During that time I’d estimate I’ve easily seen over 600 ladies. These days, I rarely see new ladies, preferring instead to keep old acquaintances. For at least 27 years I’ve played in the US and had numerous opportunities in Europe, (London, Paris), Middle East (Israel), Japan and South America..namely Brazil and Argentina. It would be absurd to fully dismiss that there are indeed cultural differences in the providers native to these areas. As a foreign national, I am obliged to be wowed by a difference in culture and behavior. Most of us experience what I call the “new pair of shoes” syndrome when visiting outside our locales.

There is also no question that the cost of this pursuit is considerably higher in the US than anywhere in the Americas. When out of the country, I appreciate more about the native environment, because it is different. When I’m in Toronto, however, the environment is hardly different from what I’m used of in the SF Bay Area..except that your weather is often lousy year round in comparison, and the actual cost of an above average escort is dirt cheap. Because I’m an American, people (read that—the indigenous females) respond to me different as well. I’m used of traveling and I use that “difference” to my advantage. It’s funny to me how locals so often take what we perceive as their good fortune for granted. It’s also funny how Canadian guys diss their ladies in a fashion similar to what we practice here at home. But what we’re really examining here are the “perceived attitudes” of women who present themselves as workers in the sex business. What are the factors that affect a clients overall perception of the quality of contact he has with a provider..i.e. his perception of her attitude. There are several factors that I’ll discuss, the most important being legal environment, a clients’ exposure in the business in Canada versus the US, cultural factors/ workforce diversity, better communication through the internet, and last but certainly not least the impact of the cost differential..the “cheap” factor.

continued to part 5

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 5

The legal environment—the overwhelming difference IMHO..

There is a major difference in the climate in which business is conducted in the US versus the business in Canada. Prostitution of any form is illegal in most areas of the US. These laws are scribed by state and local authorities. The Federal government has no statutory role in enforcement of these laws. The laws are enforced with varying degrees of vigor according to prevailing community standards, and when they are enforced they routinely focus on visible street prostitution. Sometimes stings are set to catch Johns at incalls. With more freqency outcall escorts are baited to a hotel room. Usually these ladies are associated with agencies. Escort agencies are targeted as they are often fronts for organized crime and racketeering. A possible felony level offense..pimping and pandering gets the attention of some local agencies and can grow to a federal concern when the internet is used to control businesses across state lines. Cash rich businesses are a perfect vehicle for OC to raise money to finance their other enterprises..i.e. drugs, and the latest rage..terrorism. It is only a matter of time before we discover evidence that some prostitution money is being funneled back to terrorist groups.

I believe that the quasi legal nature of the business in Canada is the largest factor affecting the perception of the quality of the Canadian escort experience. The ability to communicate freely and unambiguously leads to a better experience for all involved. As such, it contributes the most to the clients’ perception of his experience. An agency who feels free to discuss services in a relaxed enforcement environment, Montreal for instance, and an independent provider who is not in fear of being arrested is by nature more relaxed. She can focus more on casual conversation without trying to jump hurdles trying to detect LE. In the US, the inability to legally communicate is often used to the advantage of scam artists who infer services with no intent to deliver, or take you for the elevator ride. How this happens in Canada is beyond me, but it does happen, and apparently more than many would like to admit. How do so many internet based bait and switch and elevator services manage to survive? And why are our postal inspectors so befuddled by the number of boiler operations operating out of Canada for the purpose of swindling US residents. And all along I just thought Canadians were more open and honest..

cont to part 6

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 6

The Workforce…better because of the diversity in the Toronto area..

Two reasons I believe your mainstream workforce is better; legalization removes the barrier for entry for many ladies who would never consider the business for fear the prospect of arrest. Ladies who feel they have something to lose, take that prospect quite seriously. In the states, many of these ladies stay on the sidelines. Those who make the choice given the legal risks, are in the business to sustain a lifestyle and tradeoff against the risk. Secondly, Canada has much more lenient immigration/visa laws which manifest in a higher percentage of immigrant sex workers..to wit..visas for Rumanian strippers to enter Canada. Something like that isn't gonna happen in the US. I’ve met many women in Canada that I’d never experience in the US for this very reason. Hungarian and Russian ladies on tourist visas who could not come to the US. And they bring with them their more liberal sexual practices. We don't have agencies of Russian/eastern European girls available here in the US. We do have Asian massage parlors (AMPs) that are cheap by our standards and very popular for that very reason. These Asian immigrants are here because of our commitment to allow preferred immigration to Vietnamese and other South Asian and Chinese political refugees. Even the Argentineans are starting to sneak into the country. Of course the Mexicans can just walk or swim across. Many legal immigrants sponsor family and friends. Still others smuggle in women. It’s my guess that it’s difficult to find legal US residents with a right to work in many of these venues. Post 9/11 MPs are being shut down in many locations where they were once tolerated. San Francisco County has always had one of the most liberal policies on prostitution. AMPs thrive in downtown area as do strip clubs such as the Market street cinema where anything goes. Guys in the US wanting cheap sex also go to Tijuana. Those who have rave about the place. Why..it’s cheap, legal and the women are desperate. Sorry, just not my style. Expose these ladies to an alternative free market just across the border with affluent buyers and we’ll see just how good that service remains. There are even Chinese girls to be found in TJ. Al Qaeda is starting to be smuggled in by Coyotes. It’s my opinion that this infusion of foreign nationals into your mainstream workforce, has a pronounced effect on the quality and performance of the overall workforce.

In my personal experience, the native born Canadian ladies in Ontario are no different in their basic attitudes towards sex or men than women in the US. This observation is supported by many of the comments of clients on this board who express disillusionment with dating, marriage, and commitment. In addition, some providers will on occasion candidly tell us how they feel about clients and men in general. “Al Provider” was quite a hit. I enjoyed reading her enormously. She even ragged on American clientele.

There is a point of divergence in Canadian culture where there is a distinct difference between the attitudes of the Quebecoise and the Anglophone ladies. That difference manifests in the more liberal services offered on average in Quebec. I’ve seen little difference in sexual attitudes between Anglo Canadian and American women. I arrive at this conclusion from my personal relationships with American women and comments proffered by providers on both Canadian and American boards. My personal experience is that customary services offered in Canada and attitudes about STDs versus the risk of various sex acts closely mirror the services offered and the attitudes expressed on many US boards. In fact, if I’m to believe that Ontarians are more liberal, then I have to believe they’ve been infected by their American sisters with the “below the 49th parallel” virus. I am no more likely to be kissed and bbbj’ed by a Toronto provider than I am by a US provider. Whereas there may be this basic comfortable notion that Canadians are more laid back about sex and nudity, I don’t believe the theory is supported in practice, the difference in legal climate notwithstanding. Contrast all of this with Europe, where indeed I will agree that the performance of escorts is much higher. I can scale up my expectations with price..that is goodness.

cont. to part 7

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 7

The Practice of Morality..Canada versus the “Repressed” US—reality versus perception

Yes, the US was founded by a bunch of holy rollers. The decision on how to handle prostitution, however, was a matter decided by local communities, and not something left for the Federal government to publish sketchy details. There is no hand me down from English common law. Yes prostitution is illegal here and women that enter this business are under constant fear of discovery by LE. And yes that fear manifests in the paranoia exhibited by many US ladies, making some very nervous at first meeting. US providers share an even bigger fear..something they have in COMMON with their Canadian counterparts. That fear is fear of discovery by friends, family, coworkers, fear of being assaulted and the fear of being ostracized from society. Indeed they are ostracized from society. It’s not like they’re going to sit around the Thanksgiving table, beaming as they tell the folks about how delighted they are that their escort ad closure rate is going through the roof..lol. This in background exacts a heavy toll on many ladies, even those who publicly have the best of outlooks. Couple this with the fact that Canadian ladies deal with just as many assholes, stalkers and timewasters. Despite the legalized climate in Canada, I see little evidence that Canadian society believes it’s morally right. It is not accepted in the mainstream of Canadian morals, no matter how you slice it. Police may ignore it, but in practice they dismiss prostitutes with the same disdain as they are accorded in the US..to wit: 56 prostitutes murdered and missing, buried at a pig farm in the outskirts of Vancouver. I find that appalling for a society that claims to be so enlightened as to the sex trade. Although your approach to enforcement is pragmatic, that doesn’t translate to your acceptance of sex workers as worthy members of society.

There may be many in this likeminded community that would like to see their lifestyle as mainstream. But this is still their dirty little secret. I see just as many guys on this board in fear of “discovery” as I’d see any day on a US board. Canadians are just not the free love society you’d have us believe. Even the people in socially liberal Quebec had a neighborhood vigilante committee which chased and physically assaulted sex workers in Montreal when it was known they wanted to establish blocks in the Gas Light District to practice their craft. This is a response not atypical of what would occur in the US. I regularly see providers in hotels in the US, and I’ve encountered no more of a problem with their visits than I would in Toronto. In total, moral attitudes as they affect me in the business are the same in TO as they are in the US. And I believe that Canadian women are just as conflicted on a moral level as American ladies. It would be fine by me if prostitution remained illegal in the US. I see no positive benefit, particularly since the likely route would be legalization as opposed to decriminalization. I am not a fan of Nevada style brothels.
cont. to part 8

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 8

The Internet..it's impact on facilitating a Quality experience


Due to the internet...price aside, I can find US providers every bit as good as any I find in Canada. In fact, the more enterprising Canadian ladies are coming down here anyway. Inject this new element of communication even in an illegal environment, and you increase the perception of the quality immensely. Americans are overwhelmed by how relatively inexpensive escorts are in Canada. And Montreal has to be the steal of the century. Toronto was every bit as hit and miss in this business prior to the emergence of Select Company on the internet in the mid 90's. Most every outcall agency was bait and switch staffed with heartless bitches. These women are still working now. The difference is we know where the landmines are, and few Americans are venturing into the minefield without a map. Organized crime is and always has been involved in the sex trade in Canada. Those “From Russia with love” agencies, liberal immigration laws-not difficult to figure that one out. I certainly know that the more immigrants you get, the less chance you’ll have of reversing that open door landed immigrant policy..you know the one that says, if you land here you can stay.

OC involvement is not unique to the US. Ask anybody in RCMP, they will tell you. In particular ask the Russian Mafia, the Irish Mob and the Hells Angels who do a lot of damage in Quebec. Ask the owners of the strip clubs that get torched and dynamited, the businesses that pay money to protection rackets. This is not Tom Clancy, this is stuff I know from good acquaintances and agency owners. Owners of reputable agencies here in Toronto have had their homes and person threatened. Only a very narrow slice of the sex business is even discussed on the online environment. How good do you think the business is in Halifax, Edmonton, Winnepeg, or Calgary? Those are Canadian ladies we are talking about, probably more so than even in Toronto. The business there is succinctly described as “lousy”. American traffic to those cities, almost negligible in comparison. There is very little to praise about the sex business in Canada outside the three major cities, as well as Quebec City. For that matter I might say Quebec Province is the star.

cont. to part 9

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 9

The Price differential…Oh Boy…Canada is Cheap, Cheap, Cheap!

Finally we have what I call the scaling of expectations. I am used of more expensive sex services here in the US. On average I’m going to pay 300-350 USD/hour to get a decent quality provider on outcall. Do a simple empirical study of ratings given in many of these review areas. I believe that study would show it is much easier for an individual who is used of paying expensive rates for services to scale down his expectation and as a result be very impressed by a cheaper experience. Even our bottom feeders in the US, spending say 150/hour for an experience stateside, command a 225/hour Cdn experience. This is your average range for a Toronto outcall experience. That also works for Vancouver. Montreal is slightly cheaper, but their higher end ladies are an outstanding experience thanks to English speaking agencies like Montreal Girlfriends, Alissas, and Emmas group of Independent ladies. The US client is purchasing better quality on average for the same money or less money, regardless to what he's used of spending at home. No wonder he’s impressed. If I’m used of spending 600 USD a pop for an outing, I can have a nice relaxed 3 hour session with a very high quality lady. One who may very well command 400 USD/hour in major US cities. That’s bound to make both my experience and by consequence her experience much more enjoyable.

I've sincerely enjoyed the time I've spent in Canada. I salute all the diligent and beautiful ladies, both inside and outside that I've had the priviledge of meeting. I did feel compelled to share some of my feelings on this business, and speak to this nasty thing in human nature..that which drives us to compare..often times to the benefit of no one.

EBS

 

[Sasha Jones]

Just out of curiosity ...... wouldn't it have been easier to post all these to the same thread?
It certainly would be easier to read that way.

 

[Jamm]

Well Said

I couldn't agree more

 

[Big Ben]

Re: Are Canadian Escorts Really Cool? Part 9

I've sincerely enjoyed the time I've spent in Canada. I salute all the diligent and beautiful ladies, both inside and outside that I've had the priviledge of meeting. I did feel compelled to share some of my feelings on this business, and speak to this nasty thing in human nature..that which drives us to compare..often times to the benefit of no one.

EBS

Good Sam,


Due to my lack of patience I only had the chance to read the final paragraph. But I'm sure the rest was very enlighting. When you finally get around to publishing your SP manifesto let me know.

You only post once in a while but when you do, you don't hold back.


Why are Canadian Escorts so cool? Cool? I really have to think about that question.


B.B.

 

[MuffinMuncher]

Sasha Sasha Sasha....

The only benefit I can perceive is that it allows subsequent readers such as ourselves the opportunity to respond to a specific topic (part #1 or part#2, etc). A thread littered with replies to all 9 would quickly become jumbled and incoherent.

Having said that, it sure would be easier to read all 9 parts the first time through if they were in the same thread. LOL!

 

[ice_dog]

Canadian Escorts Really Cool ?

What EBS was trying to say is Canadians Escorts are not really that cool. It is the exchange rate that is cool , from the perspectives of Americans....lol

 

[sneakylong]

Canadian Escorts Really Cool

I think what EBS was saying is basically that of free market economics. When there is a demand for something(and we guys know about that demand don't we) someone will supply the product or service that meets the need. Remover barriers to entry (not that kind of entry - market entry) and if there is a profit to be made supply will generally meet demand. Additionally, in a free market economy the price will be fair and the quality will be good or the demand will go elsewhere. Part of why this board is such a good thing to help ensure quality of the product or service. I think the difference between Canada and US escorts is about that simple.

 

[ice_dog]

Oh Canada, I cannot afford thee!

I like to pose this question to all American hobbyists :

If the exchange rate goes the other way, i.e. it costs 1.43 USD to buy 1 CAD, will you still like to come up here to pursue your hobby ?

I am afraid many of you, if not all of you, will be saying:

'O Canada, I cannot afford thee, O Canada, your escorts ain't that cool !'

 

[sneakylong]

Affording O'Canada

Lets say the exchange rate was reversed. With the cost being so much higher than the US, my guess is the demand in Canada would fall as US business men couldn't afford as much. In the short run that would be good for horny Canadian men because the supply would exceed the demand and the price would come down (or go down if appropriate).

 

[ice_dog]

Exactly!

The point is that the demand(for Canadian escorts) is controlled, to a large degree, by the exchange rate. So, higher commodity prices, higher Canadian Prime will help to boost the exchange rate in favour of the CAD, which is good news for Canadian hobbyists, but bad news for Americans and Canadian escorts, or any Canadian exports. It is a matter of dollar and cents,

 

[spartan5782]

Re: Oh Canada, I cannot afford thee!

I like to pose this question to all American hobbyists :

If the exchange rate goes the other way, i.e. it costs 1.43 USD to buy 1 CAD, will you still like to come up here to pursue your hobby ?

I am afraid many of you, if not all of you, will be saying:

'O Canada, I cannot afford thee, O Canada, your escorts ain't that cool !'

Well, coming from the States on a monthly excursion, the exchange rate matters, but more important is the attitude of your country v/s mine towards this hobby. My tax dollars over here pays for John Q Law to try their damnest to set me up for a bust...go figure. The SPs there definitely have a better attitude, of course that could be due to LE on this side as well.

Looks, well I've been with good looking SPs here, but not as relaxed. That makes a difference

Nevada's a more relaxed State than Michigan, but Toronto's only a 4 hour drive from me...add in the exchange rate and it's a no brainer.

If the exchange rate went completely the other way, hell..I'd probably remarry for the fourth time and call it a day!!

Sparty

 

[ice_dog]

Exchange rate and Affordability

I finally got a honest answer from an American hobbyist....I am tired of hearing from those SPS, mostly from Toronto, who think they are under-valued, how intelligent they are, and they should charge a lot more... Any pooner who has been to Monteral knows that is a better place to pursue his hobby than Hogtown .... An educated pooner in Ottawa would call up those agencies in Hull, Quebec instead of using local SPs in the city....

So for those SPs in Toronto, if you think you are under-valued, go ahead and increase your rate by 1.43 times.