Why is that? Have you ever been attacked by Muslims? I asked my East Indian friend the same thing.
Apparent bombing in Oslo, Norway
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You are telling me that you are unable to distinguish between "It is NOT a terrorist bombing" and "There is no indication of terrorist involvement yet"Nope, I'm just not going to do it. But your actions certainly do speak, very, very loudly.
Dishonest or stupid?
Alexmst, what do you make of the photograph in some sort of dress uniform - when he was doing National Service in the Norwegian Army? What makes me question it is theTotenkopf and cross or sword patch, just coincidence or related to the Knights Templar theme? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/24/article-2018106-0D227F8F00000578-490_306x423.jpg
It goes indeed sound like there was a major mental-delusional issue going on.
It goes indeed sound like there was a major mental-delusional issue going on.
Media hype would be my best guess. Plus ever since 9/11 there has been a fairly pervasive paranoia running in the background in the US about Muslims. It has an effect, even on people who should know better.Why is that?
Don't you just hate that? They even claim some Black Muslim dude tried to blow up an airplane with a bomb in his underwear. Then there was the claim that some ethnic Pakistani Muslim dude tried to blow up Times Square (where I use to hang out in the 1990's)..Media hype would be my best guess.
Not to mention the 9/11 and 7/7 terrorists, which I believe someone already has.Don't you just hate that? They even claim some Black Muslim dude tried to blow up an airplane with a bomb in his underwear. Then there was the claim that some ethnic Pakistani Muslim dude tried to blow up Times Square (where I use to hang out in the 1990's)..
Well, homegrown people in the US have done some pretty nutty things. The US has always had more than a bit of xenophobia running though it, for much of our history. We've gone from Native Americans, to Blacks, to Chinese, to the Irish, to Italians, to the Japanese, to Russians, to Mexicans, and on and on. So now we settle on Muslims. We seem to need a bogeyman, and tag they're it.Don't you just hate that? They even claim some Black Muslim dude tried to blow up an airplane with a bomb in his underwear. Then there was the claim that some ethnic Pakistani Muslim dude tried to blow up Times Square (where I use to hang out in the 1990's)..
Don't forget Canada, we had the "Toronto 18". They, inter-alia, had planned to bomb the CN Tower. What in blazes did the CN Tower ever do to them?Not to mention the 9/11 and 7/7 terrorists, which I believe someone already has.
Anders Breivik, has supposedly told police that his aim was to spark a revolution in Norway. It is one of 'those questions' as to why people like Breivk, McVeigh, and Manson all feel people will fall in love with their extremest ideas if they murder a bunch of inocents.
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burt-oh-my!
Oh come on, within 5 minutes of the news, you and Aardie were frothing at the mouth about islamic terrorists.
huh?LMAO!!!
How TRUE!!!
Nice to see that assumption blow up in their faces like an 'Oklahoma City-type truck bomb'!
This farked up wacko rightard is one of THEIR OWN ilk!...:Eek:
evidence? Link please?
I see that the idiocy of partisanship has raised it stupid fucking head here as well.
Humans. Gotta luv 'em.
Personally I hate them, but well, I can't go running around with that much hate in my heart can I? I must just have to make strenuous efforts to bring an end to this wretched species. Nah, better to love them and forgive them their sins (my sins? Hmmm...) and live my little life and try to stay out the way of the big ball of stupid when it comes rolling by.
Sigh...
So it is here amidst the humans...
Humans. Gotta luv 'em.
Personally I hate them, but well, I can't go running around with that much hate in my heart can I? I must just have to make strenuous efforts to bring an end to this wretched species. Nah, better to love them and forgive them their sins (my sins? Hmmm...) and live my little life and try to stay out the way of the big ball of stupid when it comes rolling by.
Sigh...
So it is here amidst the humans...
The uniform isn't an official one as the patches don't correspond to legit government uniforms. It seems he designed it himself, or else it is a uniform of his fringe group. He considered himself a Knight Templar and it appears he designed/made his own uniform as commander of the local chapter. Appears he had lots of cash to spend on this hobby of his - not some poor disenfranchised guy but rather a deep-pocketed extremist who indulged himself in all the luxury trimmings.Alexmst, what do you make of the photograph in some sort of dress uniform - when he was doing National Service in the Norwegian Army? What makes me question it is theTotenkopf and cross or sword patch, just coincidence or related to the Knights Templar theme? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/24/article-2018106-0D227F8F00000578-490_306x423.jpg
It goes indeed sound like there was a major mental-delusional issue going on.
As for his revolution, I question why he thinks people will see the slaughter of kids to be a wake up call to arms. He is correct that one person with a belief often counts more than 100,000 with only a passing opinion. If he was well off and literate, as he appears to be, I question why he couldn't have just used existing legal means to run for office with his agenda if he thought he had popular support. Neo-Nazi politicians get elected to Austria all the time. Seriously, his political opinion is that Norway should not become a UN multicultural centre - fair enough, a lot of people think this. I've talked to Danes and people from Norway on vacation in Florida and they ALL said their countries are being ruined by liberal immigration policies, so sure, a lot of people would support ending excessive humanitarian immigration and go for the nation state of Norwegians idea. He claims to admire Japan because of their policies of linking people and state. He has a point. Counties like India and Iraq do not attract reverse immigration from the west, so are in no danger of losing their hertitage. Western Europe though is attractive for immigration as life is better there. Personally I think more effort should be made to improve life in the countries people are fleeing from rather than just accepting them all as refugees under the cover of politically correct humanitarianism (I speak of Denmark, Sweden and Norway). More humane to encourage them to fix up their own counties and give them the tools to do it in my opinion. So maybe he thought along those lines and felt passionate about it. Okay, fine...BUT he should have made his position clear through the mechanisms of civil discourse. Killing a bunch of people just makes him look evil and why would anyone listen to an evil murderer for political guidance?
He sees himself as a revolutionary, but one armed person killing children is not a revolution. The Boston Tea Party was a popular expression of frustration; the organizers did not execute the children of the British while thet were at summer camp to make a point. Revolutions are more than one man with a belief. If he thought his countrymen were going to rise up and make him their Horst Wessel martyr, I don't see that happening. If he had money he should have published his manifesto and done his soapbox bit at Norway's Hyde Park Corner handing it out and trying to influence public opinion. How does he expect anyone to admire or listen to a man who is a mass-murderer of children, even if they agree with his platform?
Also, I am by nature dubious of quasi-intellectuals who have never attended University who claim in their bios that they have no formal education but have '7+ years of University equivalent'. As you and I both know, there is more to going to university than reading the books assigned - it teaches how to interact and share opinion, what the confines of a civil society are, how to respect other people's opinion, the rule of law and why the rule of law is important.
It certainly isn't particularly supprising, but he certainly is strange.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eivik-Confessions-man-commit-mass-murder.html
By the way in his "manifesto" he wrote: "I have reserved 2,000 euro from my operations budget which I intend to spend on a high quality model escort girl one week prior to execution of the mission." So for all the of course he was going to murder people because he believes in "something I don't like" TERBites give some thought to how that will "play in Peoria."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eivik-Confessions-man-commit-mass-murder.html
By the way in his "manifesto" he wrote: "I have reserved 2,000 euro from my operations budget which I intend to spend on a high quality model escort girl one week prior to execution of the mission." So for all the of course he was going to murder people because he believes in "something I don't like" TERBites give some thought to how that will "play in Peoria."
Will his lawyer plead insanity? We could walk free....BUT he should have made his position clear through the mechanisms of civil discourse. Killing a bunch of people just makes him look evil and why would anyone listen to an evil murderer for political guidance?
He sees himself as a revolutionary, but one armed person killing children is not a revolution.
Don't know enough about Norwegian criminal law to comment.Will his lawyer plead insanity? We could walk free....
However, I can tell you that in Canada and the U.S. very few defendants are found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, and those who are certainly don't "just walk out the door."
he hates the left....and he killed youths at a Labour Party youth camp. He hates the left and he bombed the government building ( the Left leaning Labour Party currently rules the country.....he may be a nutbar but he had political rationale for what he did....just like gw bush did!The whole idea of turning what this guy did into ANYTHING political or racist or ant- this or pro- that is just such a mind-boggling diversion. And selfish. Using an event like this to somehow attach it to your political or other beliefs does a disservice and is actually offensive, when one considers the magnitude of what happenned.
He described himself as Christian, so people go off on that. Or he is right wing, so off go others. For fuck's sake he is a man, so presumably man-haters can go after men too I presume? I wonder if he had blue eyes, or was taller or shorter than average.
The simple fact is that he is evil.
Period.
Come on you shoot your argument in the foot when you make inane comments like that.he may be a nutbar but he had political rationale for what he did....just like gw bush did!
Further, Burt-oh-my! made a very good point.
We can say he is evil, but that is no explanation. He had a motive, that made sense in his twisted mind anyway. I still think it will come out that he was an extreme paranoid xenophoblic, and that somehow in his bizarre little world, he thought he was making a patriot's protest.
Oslo, Norway (CNN) -- The suspect in the worst attack in Norway since World War II has acknowledged carrying out the attacks and claims to have worked with two other cells, a judge said Monday.
He defended the attacks as necessary to combat the "colonization" of Norway by Muslims, Judge Kim Heger said.
The suspect said he worked with two cells to carry out the attacks, Heger said. Other court officials said they could not confirm the existence of the cells and referred questions to the police.
Heger ordered the suspect to remain in custody for at least eight weeks, until his next scheduled court appearance, as authorities continue to investigate a bombing in Oslo and an attack at a nearby island that together killed dozens of people.
The suspect will be held in isolation because of the possibility of tampering with evidence, Heger said.
Police have identified the suspect as Anders Behring Breivik, 32, a suspected right-wing Christian extremist who appears to have written a 1,500-page manifesto ranting against Muslims and laying out meticulous plans to prepare for the attacks without being detected.
The suspect acknowledges carrying out the attacks, the judge said, but said the attacks were necessary in light of the "treason" of the victims in promoting multiculturalism.
The judge spoke to news reporters after a hearing that was closed to the public. Breivik asked to wear a uniform to the hearing but was not allowed to, Heger said.
CNN has not independently confirmed that Breivik is the author of the manifesto, which says it is designed to be circulated among sympathizers and bears his name.
The judge ordered him held in custody for eight weeks until his next court appearance.
He defended the attacks as necessary to combat the "colonization" of Norway by Muslims, Judge Kim Heger said.
The suspect said he worked with two cells to carry out the attacks, Heger said. Other court officials said they could not confirm the existence of the cells and referred questions to the police.
Heger ordered the suspect to remain in custody for at least eight weeks, until his next scheduled court appearance, as authorities continue to investigate a bombing in Oslo and an attack at a nearby island that together killed dozens of people.
The suspect will be held in isolation because of the possibility of tampering with evidence, Heger said.
Police have identified the suspect as Anders Behring Breivik, 32, a suspected right-wing Christian extremist who appears to have written a 1,500-page manifesto ranting against Muslims and laying out meticulous plans to prepare for the attacks without being detected.
The suspect acknowledges carrying out the attacks, the judge said, but said the attacks were necessary in light of the "treason" of the victims in promoting multiculturalism.
The judge spoke to news reporters after a hearing that was closed to the public. Breivik asked to wear a uniform to the hearing but was not allowed to, Heger said.
CNN has not independently confirmed that Breivik is the author of the manifesto, which says it is designed to be circulated among sympathizers and bears his name.
The judge ordered him held in custody for eight weeks until his next court appearance.
