Anybody been to Shanghai?
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errrr.... avoid the barbershop girls if you don't really have a mastery of chinese (and the local geography).
Shanghai in general is not the best place to hobby. It's fairly expensive and the quality is inconsistent at best. But the best times i 've had in China was at the following location:
Tong Ren Yuan (name)
72 Dong Zhu An Bang Road
donation should be for <$100 cad (which admitedly is pricey). It's a sauna so you basically take your shower, do your sauna business, then settle down for the "massage". If you get in before 6pm you can have your choice of 3 women... and trust me... the service will absolutely blow you away.
I did ask on my last few visits if they took caucasians and the answer was a "Yes but".
Shanghai in general is not the best place to hobby. It's fairly expensive and the quality is inconsistent at best. But the best times i 've had in China was at the following location:
Tong Ren Yuan (name)
72 Dong Zhu An Bang Road
donation should be for <$100 cad (which admitedly is pricey). It's a sauna so you basically take your shower, do your sauna business, then settle down for the "massage". If you get in before 6pm you can have your choice of 3 women... and trust me... the service will absolutely blow you away.
I did ask on my last few visits if they took caucasians and the answer was a "Yes but".
Think about "hobbying" in Japan except the quality of the SPs in Shanghai are no way coming close to the one in Ginza.leery said:
Try to be PC but I would like to get to the point, the bottom line is,
"No "butterly" person or Gwai Lo please".
And think twice before going to pay visits to the barbershop girls, even though you are well-versed in Mandarin and one of the Chinese dilacts. Chances are these barbershop girls are among the bottom barrel in terms of quality.
Plus, there is high risks of getting deadly. Think about "hobbying" in South Asian continents.
I don't know man....
beauty is very much in the eyes of the beholder. Personally speaking i've yet to meet any japanese that approached the prettiness of some of the sps I saw in china. But then again... beauty is very much subjective. And let's just leave it at that. You might however, be shocked to know that most of the "japanese sps" that service non-japanese clientele are visa students from china. Not that, you'd be able to tell the difference between the two.
On the other issue....
barbershops in shanghai costs about $30 cad / pop. Sauna girls may cost $100cad; high end ktv girls may cost $300 cad or more. Is a high end ktv girl 10 times prettier? for sure not. And even the so called "bottom of the barrel" is a few times prettier than any of the cookies or ice's or cindy's that populate the toronto oriental sp landscape.
But yeah. I won't recommend Barbershops for non-locals.
beauty is very much in the eyes of the beholder. Personally speaking i've yet to meet any japanese that approached the prettiness of some of the sps I saw in china. But then again... beauty is very much subjective. And let's just leave it at that. You might however, be shocked to know that most of the "japanese sps" that service non-japanese clientele are visa students from china. Not that, you'd be able to tell the difference between the two.
On the other issue....
barbershops in shanghai costs about $30 cad / pop. Sauna girls may cost $100cad; high end ktv girls may cost $300 cad or more. Is a high end ktv girl 10 times prettier? for sure not. And even the so called "bottom of the barrel" is a few times prettier than any of the cookies or ice's or cindy's that populate the toronto oriental sp landscape.
But yeah. I won't recommend Barbershops for non-locals.
That is damn right for sure. Even "the bottom of the barrel" are prettier than the CBCs/bananasleery said:
But don't worry, a new generation of "banana" girls are growing up here in North America, with their Anglos-Saxon adopted parents. Things may turn better or worse.....keep the fingers crossed for the time being.
Sure and there are no shortages of SPs around the areas.beefy4me said:
As long as you have bad luck enough to get arrest during the "strike hard" perennial "show" of force and put to the Chinese style "gulag" for hobbying after haphazard, mockery call the trial, go ahead make your day.
Nah, I have seen the so called "upscale SPs aka Chinese counterparts of gold diggers" paraded by Mamasan, nothing special and I especially don't like the way they put on the make up for sure!
The more I know, the more I feel why Toronto is such a wonderful place for hobbying
BTW Shanghai is not the best city. It is sure the largest. Hangzhou is the best city according to Forbes in China.
Dude... if you are neither interested in chinese sps... nor appreciative of asian beauty... wtf r u doing posting on this thread? :S
For the record. Strike-hard only occurs in the 2 weeks before major chinese holidays, end of the year, and the national day (just past). So now is actually about as safe as it gets wrt hobbying.
Zhuhai is okay.... far from the best tho.
And Shanghai is hands down the best city in China. Hangzhou is nothing more than a tourist resort.
For the record. Strike-hard only occurs in the 2 weeks before major chinese holidays, end of the year, and the national day (just past). So now is actually about as safe as it gets wrt hobbying.
Zhuhai is okay.... far from the best tho.
And Shanghai is hands down the best city in China. Hangzhou is nothing more than a tourist resort.
Shanghai is a fun city.....never hobbied there but it's great for food and drinks
I was suprise how modern it is
I was suprise how modern it is
Mainland Chinese "civilians" and "pros" share one thing in common and that is "Learn" or "Earth air"! This is also applicable to some Taiwanese counterparts.leery said:
Outside the mainland, the Chinese and some Taiwanese "civilians" and "pros" are "fobbish".
Bananas are white chicks wannabe.
Are you absolutely, positively sure? Are you working for Public Security Bureau?
Then where is the best?
Shanghai is just another Metropolitian City. The Shanghainese are damn sure they want to be back to No 1 in China after 50+ years "capped, stunned" growth by the Communists and show the Cantonese who's the boss!
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Heard that numerous times and been there several times. You could say Shanghai is just like Paris or New York but I consider Shanghai is similar to the Mexico City.wrong hole said:
Personally, I won't recommand hobbying in China. The choices are so limited comparing to many western cities and the chicks in general are very "conservative". At best they are prudish.
You could pretty tell by looking their preference and habits when buying lingerie.
Many of them are too scared to buy "racy" lingerie, design which is so common and ordinary here at La Vie En Rose, La Senza, and Victoria's Secret.
And when it comes to T-back, or thong, they recently start to think t-back are chics for OL-office ladies, where in North America and Europe the thong "phenomenon" is very common for years.
One thing u will find is many of the "regular non professional" women you meet are pretty into foreigners ........... but from my experience in Beijing in the nicer hotels you have to pay the staff more to get the women into the hotel.....
There was once "incident" when a group of Japanese "hobbyists" came to Zhuhai as "sex tourists".
The Japanese groups have their local guide and "mamasan" to arrange local SPs "serving them a la "comfort ladies" style like their grandfathers did when they invaded China in World War II.
The "club" that was serving the Japanese "tourists" have a sign saying "NO Chinese and dogs are allowed" and the club was heavily guarded. These Japanese "sex tourists" were caught when the Police got the complaints from the locals regarding that signs and raided the club.
So I guess when you know the connection and the money is right, there should not be problem on "having fun".
The Japanese groups have their local guide and "mamasan" to arrange local SPs "serving them a la "comfort ladies" style like their grandfathers did when they invaded China in World War II.
The "club" that was serving the Japanese "tourists" have a sign saying "NO Chinese and dogs are allowed" and the club was heavily guarded. These Japanese "sex tourists" were caught when the Police got the complaints from the locals regarding that signs and raided the club.
So I guess when you know the connection and the money is right, there should not be problem on "having fun".
You have to pay "protection money" to prevent them tipping the Peoples Armed Police to raid the hotels.canucklehead said:
Sometimes a pack of brand new Marlboro would do!
In some "nicer" hotels, some staffs are de facto "mamasan" or "pimp" who can either provide you upscale SPs via third party or "in-house" SPs who are "on calls". All you need to do is to ask but I won't recommand since the cut/donation is quite steep and there are no "quality" assurance.
And in the not so distant past some young female hotel staffs are "moonlighting"/working part time as SPs but you rarely find these types of " working" girls working at four to five stars, foreign (western countries) joint venture hotels nowadays.
Sweet Guy, the incident you posted of Japanese sex tourists invading Zhuhai causing a major upheaval is true. This happened only recently and has been widely reported in the Chinese and HK media. However, I haven’t read or heard of anything about signs as ridiculous as “No Chinese and dogs are allowed� posted anywhere. Bluntly put, this is pure BS made up by you. You may or may not know that this sign was posted in parks and other properties in China during the Japanese partial occupation of China during WW2, and has never been forgotten as the utmost insult to the Chinese. For someone posting this sign today in China is committing suicide. Not only is this not reported of the incidence by any media, I can’t imagine anyone, in China, dare to do something like this.
This said, stay away from Zhuhai for the time being. The Japanese incident has caused a major crackdown of nightlife in Zhuhai; in fact, I’ve heard from friends that there is a “nightlife curfew� in Zhuhai these days, which used to be a sex-haven.
To say Shanghai is more like Mexico City than Paris or New York is ignorant. I’ve done business with China and have strategic partnerships in Shanghai, Beijing and other cities (more in Beijing, mind you). Yes, business ethics can be compromised – but don’t live in the ignorant world that North American business ethics are not. For businessmen interested in the Chinese market, Shanghai is the place to be.
Getting back to hobbying in Shanghai, I find the Northern Chinese to be very attractive.
It doesn’t have the multi-culture, the likes of Russian or Europeans that Toronto can offer. But if you like Asians, you won’t be disappointed.
This said, stay away from Zhuhai for the time being. The Japanese incident has caused a major crackdown of nightlife in Zhuhai; in fact, I’ve heard from friends that there is a “nightlife curfew� in Zhuhai these days, which used to be a sex-haven.
To say Shanghai is more like Mexico City than Paris or New York is ignorant. I’ve done business with China and have strategic partnerships in Shanghai, Beijing and other cities (more in Beijing, mind you). Yes, business ethics can be compromised – but don’t live in the ignorant world that North American business ethics are not. For businessmen interested in the Chinese market, Shanghai is the place to be.
Getting back to hobbying in Shanghai, I find the Northern Chinese to be very attractive.
It doesn’t have the multi-culture, the likes of Russian or Europeans that Toronto can offer. But if you like Asians, you won’t be disappointed.
Maybe I mixed up with another similar incident in Shenzhen where another club (No sex solicitation) said they served only the Japanese and there's a sign saying No Chinese allowed. The guards did their work by denying any Chinese to go in. You may say I mixed up but that's definitely no BS.iam0234 said:
Yeah I don't remember the Unit 731 and 300,000 Chinese buried alive by the Imperial Japanese Army in Nanjing, 1937 and the chemical and biological attacks in Chongquing during WWII.
Wanna know the grusome details on how the Japanese behead and stab the Chinese POWs by the Samurai swords?
Posting this sign may be stupid and you don't have to equal Chinese as dogs. Just no locals allowed sign will do the trick nicely.
Plus, given the government incitement to boost fervent Nationalism and anti-western sentiment (tame compared to Muslim countries), nobody will dare to question the logic and ask reasonable enquiries, let alone doing something like this. Any deemed "deviant" activities will be treated as treason and not "patriotic".
Simply put PC goes horribly wrong and a new breed of Boxers Revolutions are brewing.
And they think when people are "bribed" by wealth and money, the quest for reason will simply go away. Pretty much like seeing nothing, hearing nothing, do nothing-in simple words covering up at all cost. HIV/AIDS is like "a Trojan Horse from the western country".
Yeah, they always say that. The PSB are on the take for sure and the Peoples Armed Police probably extort protection racket at those clubs, get additional "cuts" from the SPs. Things will be normal as usual.
The only way to solve the "vice" will be to legalize and decriminalize it but I don't think China has the stuff and courage to enforce it.
Ignorant? I bet the abject poverty around Shanghai-Pudong area are very acute compared to Paris and New York and definitely on par to Mexico City and Rio de Janeiro. The Chinese are just smart enough to deport, relocate forcefully call it whatever you like the poor farmers way outside the city boundaries. The Communists just "dress up" Shanghai, making her look like a "modern" cosmopolitan.
If you think the scandals in America is worse, you ain't seen nothing yet in China. The "prosperity" and the rosy pictures painted by both Beijing and western governments on China blinded the impending corporate scandals "implosion", a-bomb magnitude in China. Wait after 2008 Olympics.
BTW, wanna know what scandals hit BOC?
Definitely true. Northern Chinese chicks have lighter, silky smooth skins. Tall like your average white chicks (no pun intended, excluding the Latinos) and full bodies that can rival white chicks.
Sure they are more "aggressive" than the southern buttugly counterparts when it comes to dating but in a polite way, there are still lots of rooms to improve in bed.
When it comes to quantity, most Chinese have no problem with that
. The population explains everything. But when it comes to quality, this is still a long march to the Japanese level, let alone American ones.And don't flame me, I have my own share of long march to improve the quality.
Maybe in the future but defintely NOT for the time being.
geeee
I assume sweet-guy is either hk-chinese. Or is a 2nd generation asian who does not acknowledge himself as chinese at all. But the colonialism attitude seeps through rather loudly. And for someone proclaiming to be "sweet", there seems to be an awful lot of prejudice + hatred coming out of that mouth.
If you have something against the communist gov't, or if you have something against mainland china and mainland chinese in general... This is NOT the forum to share that opinion. And certainly, this is NOT the THREAD to share the opinion on. The lobby suites your needs much better.
As for Shanghai being on par with Mexico City... I dunno man. I've never been to Mexico City so I can't draw that comparison. But I do know that Shanghai is quite a bit cleaner compared to Paris (and New York), and in addition, the crime rate is a lot lower and the night life is a lot more varied + interesting. And being Torontoian, I can only hope that the nightscape of Toronto can match that of Shanghai in 20 years. The only thing that is NOT up to NA standards in Shanghai is the over population and the pollution. Neither of which are readily fixable. As for abject poverty around Shanghai-putong??? WTF??? Putong is the most industrialized part OF shanghai. That area is literally 90% white collars and 10% executives.
I really don't know where you get your info on China and on Shanghai. Most of it seem outdated, misquoted or downright delusional. I would sincerely hope that you refrain from entering China, as that ignorant and obnoxious attitude will undoubtedly cause some sort of international incident.
I assume sweet-guy is either hk-chinese. Or is a 2nd generation asian who does not acknowledge himself as chinese at all. But the colonialism attitude seeps through rather loudly. And for someone proclaiming to be "sweet", there seems to be an awful lot of prejudice + hatred coming out of that mouth.
If you have something against the communist gov't, or if you have something against mainland china and mainland chinese in general... This is NOT the forum to share that opinion. And certainly, this is NOT the THREAD to share the opinion on. The lobby suites your needs much better.
As for Shanghai being on par with Mexico City... I dunno man. I've never been to Mexico City so I can't draw that comparison. But I do know that Shanghai is quite a bit cleaner compared to Paris (and New York), and in addition, the crime rate is a lot lower and the night life is a lot more varied + interesting. And being Torontoian, I can only hope that the nightscape of Toronto can match that of Shanghai in 20 years. The only thing that is NOT up to NA standards in Shanghai is the over population and the pollution. Neither of which are readily fixable. As for abject poverty around Shanghai-putong??? WTF??? Putong is the most industrialized part OF shanghai. That area is literally 90% white collars and 10% executives.
I really don't know where you get your info on China and on Shanghai. Most of it seem outdated, misquoted or downright delusional. I would sincerely hope that you refrain from entering China, as that ignorant and obnoxious attitude will undoubtedly cause some sort of international incident.
As for Chinese SP's supposed lack of service-mentality in bed:
Let's see. Having recently returned from a 1 month vacation in China, and having travelled to 6 cities on this trip:
95% of all sps provided BBBJ
60% of all sps provided BBBJTC, the remaining 40% provided facial
100% of al sps provided LK, the vast majority DFK.
About 10% provided greek
MSOG is typically NOT available unless you negotiate for an all-nighter. That's just how the business is done there. You cum, you leave.
I met exactly ONE sp who was what I would call a clock watcher and did not provide an adequate level of service.
All hotel sessions began with common shower, light massage, daty, dfk, bbbj... and proceed onto any position you'd like for as long as you'd like. After you finish, the girl would usually stay around for a light massage, some cuddling, and a common shower before leaving.
Average session costs around $25-80cad / pop (usually add $40 and you'd get overnight)
All Sauna sessions began with a light massage, intense rimming, a body slide (where the girl literally greases herself up and slides up and down your back), BBBJ, ice-fire (BBBJ with alternating cold and hot water), tongue bath, sex - again, any position for as long as you can - zero clock watching. And finish typically with BBBJTC. Greek may be offered.
Average session lasts 1-2 hour depending on the sauna.
Average session costs around $70-90cad
Hair salon: Typically BBBJ or BBBJTC to begin (and end).
Typical session lasts 1 hour.
Average cost: $20-$30CAD
Sample size: let's just say it was large enough to be statistically relevant
In addition, if you just want a massage, the typical going rate for a rmt type massage (outside of major cities) is about $5 cad / hour. In fact, you can go for a $6 cad hair cut, and a 1 hour massage will be included as part of the service..
Man... .Third world countries rule.
If you say you can get any of the above in Japan at comparable pricing... I'd have to say you are a liar.
Let's see. Having recently returned from a 1 month vacation in China, and having travelled to 6 cities on this trip:
95% of all sps provided BBBJ
60% of all sps provided BBBJTC, the remaining 40% provided facial
100% of al sps provided LK, the vast majority DFK.
About 10% provided greek
MSOG is typically NOT available unless you negotiate for an all-nighter. That's just how the business is done there. You cum, you leave.
I met exactly ONE sp who was what I would call a clock watcher and did not provide an adequate level of service.
All hotel sessions began with common shower, light massage, daty, dfk, bbbj... and proceed onto any position you'd like for as long as you'd like. After you finish, the girl would usually stay around for a light massage, some cuddling, and a common shower before leaving.
Average session costs around $25-80cad / pop (usually add $40 and you'd get overnight)
All Sauna sessions began with a light massage, intense rimming, a body slide (where the girl literally greases herself up and slides up and down your back), BBBJ, ice-fire (BBBJ with alternating cold and hot water), tongue bath, sex - again, any position for as long as you can - zero clock watching. And finish typically with BBBJTC. Greek may be offered.
Average session lasts 1-2 hour depending on the sauna.
Average session costs around $70-90cad
Hair salon: Typically BBBJ or BBBJTC to begin (and end).
Typical session lasts 1 hour.
Average cost: $20-$30CAD
Sample size: let's just say it was large enough to be statistically relevant
In addition, if you just want a massage, the typical going rate for a rmt type massage (outside of major cities) is about $5 cad / hour. In fact, you can go for a $6 cad hair cut, and a 1 hour massage will be included as part of the service..
Man... .Third world countries rule.
If you say you can get any of the above in Japan at comparable pricing... I'd have to say you are a liar.
Right on, Leery. I almost wanted to make this point except couldn’t find the right words for it. I would only speculate that Sweet Guy is a Taiwanese, nonetheless a Chinese by descendent, who has never set foot on Mainland China leave alone Shanghai.leery said:
Sweet Guy’s view of China is not uncommon in the western world, but as you so rightly pointed out – “outdated, misquoted and outright delusional�. In fact, I was of a similar mindset a few years ago when my company was invited to do business with China. My would-be partner at the time simply said: “take a visit, see it for yourself�. I’m glad I did. Yes, a lot of the unpleasant stories we’ve read were (and to some extent still is) true. But as long as one respects the local legislations and keeps mute on political issues, I find the environment quite accommodating and business-like. I guess my experience has been commonly shared as most major western corporations now have offices in China.
I had many friends and colleagues who were offered posts in China and came to me for advice (I’m a Chinese). My advice has always been: go for a year or two; see for yourself. If you don’t like it, come back. You know what, most (particularly the younger and unattached) end up loving it. A few, in fact, left the company for greener pastures when asked to come back.
Coming back to hobbying in Shanghai, there is no shortage of bars and clubs for foreigners where one can find gems. As long as one stays in a foreign-managed hotel the chance of getting busted is slim to none. This said, however, don’t get overly adventurous by going to the joints for locals. Stay with the bigger nightclubs – they may cost more but the extra money (still cheap by NA standard) is worth it.
I know this one is coming after I made such claim (lack of service mentality) on purpose.leery said:
You really explain why HIV/AIDS is an a-bomb waiting to explode. STD has already been big problems over there.
I hope all of the SPs here read this thread very carefully. Given what you describe everything in details (BTW, I have known quite well on the details) and your sexual escapades, Leery, you are better not letting your handle be known. You post significantly high risk to the SPs and MPAs here in the GTA.
And don't ever tell me there's no BBFS available over there!
