Anybody been to Shanghai?

leery said:
geeee

I assume sweet-guy is either hk-chinese. Or is a 2nd generation asian who does not acknowledge himself as chinese at all. But the colonialism attitude seeps through rather loudly. And for someone proclaiming to be "sweet", there seems to be an awful lot of prejudice + hatred coming out of that mouth.
Sorry, why are you here "hobbying" in GTA now that you say you get really big bang for the same loonie and how good Shanghai really is?

As for Shanghai being on par with Mexico City... I dunno man. I've never been to Mexico City so I can't draw that comparison. But I do know that Shanghai is quite a bit cleaner compared to Paris (and New York), and in addition, the crime rate is a lot lower and the night life is a lot more varied + interesting. And being Torontoian, I can only hope that the nightscape of Toronto can match that of Shanghai in 20 years. The only thing that is NOT up to NA standards in Shanghai is the over population and the pollution. Neither of which are readily fixable.
See above...

I really don't know where you get your info on China and on Shanghai. Most of it seem outdated, misquoted or downright delusional.
Delusional? Outdated? I am not surprised many Chinese like you are getting apologatic and "defensive" to any attempt to "besmerch" the "motherland" now that you genuinely see what's going on over there and feel "guilty" of not "Chinese" enough.

Even the westerners (Yang Ren/Gwai Lo), especially the Americans businessmen are extremely optimistic to China's future. That's a sign China's economy is another big bubble looming and the growth is simply unstainable without structural reforms.

I would sincerely hope that you refrain from entering China, as that ignorant and obnoxious attitude will undoubtedly cause some sort of international incident.
Yeah, I was always taught how good China is and China has no wrong. I think I still believe in that but does the reality speak otherwise?
 
iam0234 said:
Right on, Leery. I almost wanted to make this point except couldn’t find the right words for it. I would only speculate that Sweet Guy is a Taiwanese, nonetheless a Chinese by descendent, who has never set foot on Mainland China leave alone Shanghai.
Nope, I have no sentiment to Formosa and Taiwan is no better than China when it comes to politics, diplomacy and military. The only exception is Taiwan is far richer than the mainland.

You have grievances and beefs to the Taiwanese? Do you think all "average" Taiwanese are "green" in heart?

And Yes I have set foot on mainland China several times in cities such as Beijing, Nanjing, Shanghai, Chongqing, Chengdu, Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Once thought to travel either the Yunnan province or Urumqi in Xinjiang but don't have time to spare, plus there are more interesting place here to visit in North America!

Sweet Guy’s view of China is not uncommon in the western world, but as you so rightly pointed out – “outdated, misquoted and outright delusional�. In fact, I was of a similar mindset a few years ago when my company was invited to do business with China. My would-be partner at the time simply said: “take a visit, see it for yourself�. I’m glad I did. Yes, a lot of the unpleasant stories we’ve read were (and to some extent still is) true.
Unlike Leery, at least my claims are valid.

But as long as one respects the local legislations and keeps mute on political issues, I find the environment quite accommodating and business-like. I guess my experience has been commonly shared as most major western corporations now have offices in China.
As long as you can identify who are "the power brokers" and pay the "dues" such as Rolex watches, Dupont cigarette lighters, Marbaro or what not, everything will be just fine. This is a known secret of guang shi (relationship/connection) and the big corporations know to play the game well.

And before you flame me, it doesn't matter such dues are in the forms of lavish meals on Shark Fins, birds nests, sea cucumbers, Abalone or what not and some kind exchange favours instead of "tangible stuffs" such as gold coins, jade, HKD, USD, Rolex watches, all kinds of "luxury stuffs" to the officials as they are easily tracible after checking their monthly salaries.

I had many friends and colleagues who were offered posts in China and came to me for advice (I’m a Chinese). My advice has always been: go for a year or two; see for yourself. If you don’t like it, come back. You know what, most (particularly the younger and unattached) end up loving it. A few, in fact, left the company for greener pastures when asked to come back.
This is similar to the westerners, mostly the oil engineers and executives who love to stay in Saudi Arabia and they say they love the place for similar reasons....until they suddenly realize how things can turn very nasty 180 degrees.

It's good for them if they like the place. There's nothing wrong to go natives but be careful what decision you make.

Coming back to hobbying in Shanghai, there is no shortage of bars and clubs for foreigners where one can find gems. As long as one stays in a foreign-managed hotel the chance of getting busted is slim to none.
It's definitely NOT looking good to the world when the westerners (ex-Japanese or Asians) got busted when they sample the Chinese beauties and it's definitely hurt the business.

And I don't see any reason or hint the PSB are going to strike hard on the white dudes anytime soon.

Plus, the SPs and Mamasan are extremely eager to get more white "Johnsons" cause they can charge higher premium but still "dirt cheap" for the white dudes ;).

This said, however, don’t get overly adventurous by going to the joints for locals. Stay with the bigger nightclubs – they may cost more but the extra money (still cheap by NA standard) is worth it.
The joints for locals and street hookers are either gang controlled or set up for extortions and mugging.

You get better treatment and attention from the ladies, civilians and the pros when you say you are working for the multinationals and you are foriegn expatriates at those "high end" clubs.

You may feel you have "higher class" than the Chinese who never fly abroad to North America or Europe before but such "smug" attitudes are "depreciating" fast now that more and more Chinese travel more to other places over the world.

BTW, I don't see any point to bicker on the issue. China is nowadays the vogue of the year or something and this translate into the interests on the Chinese chicks.

After these replies, lets just move on our lives.
 

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sweet guy said:
Nope, I have no sentiment ......


After these replies, lets just move on our lives.
Did you say lives ? Didn't know you have a life other than posting on terb....lol ...just could not resist that when you average over 7 posts a day ..and some of them are posted duing office hours
 

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Original post by Sweet Guy

“Maybe I mixed up with another similar incident in Shenzhen where another club (No sex solicitation) said they served only the Japanese and there's a sign saying No Chinese allowed. The guards did their work by denying any Chinese to go in. You may say I mixed up but that's definitely no BS.�

Your apology for having mixed up is accepted. But please, do your own race a favor, next time when you are mixed up – shut up. There is a big difference between your BS of “no locals (Chinese in your BS) allowed� and “no locals and dogs allowed�.

“Sure they are more "aggressive" than the southern buttugly counterparts when it comes to dating but in a polite way, there are still lots of rooms to improve in bed.

When it comes to quantity, most Chinese have no problem with that . The population explains everything. But when it comes to quality, this is still a long march to the Japanese level, let alone American ones.�

I respect your preference for white chicks, Japanese chicks or whatever. But you don’t have to downgrade other races, particular your own, to make your point. Instead, be constructive - post a few of your good experiences for us to share.

BTW, have you been to Japan? If there are sill signs that read “no Chinese and dogs allowed� or “no foreigners allowed� or “locals only�, they are in Japan. Have you ever paid for sex in Japan that prompts your fantasy that “this is still a long march to the Japanese level�? You’ve watched too many Japanese XXX.
 
iam0234 said:
Your apology for having mixed up is accepted. But please, do your own race a favor, next time when you are mixed up – shut up. There is a big difference between your BS of “no locals (Chinese in your BS) allowed� and “no locals and dogs allowed�.
What race are you talking? Human race?

I respect your preference for white chicks, Japanese chicks or whatever. But you don’t have to downgrade other races, particular your own, to make your point. Instead, be constructive - post a few of your good experiences for us to share.
I am NOT blindly like any white chicks in general. There are more than fair share of "nasty" Caucasians around, including some here. Based on my experience, I feel the non-Asian chicks in general are "easier" to deal with comparing to the Asian chicks.

And nope, there are not that many good experiences for you to share on Asian chicks. You know better than I do how "materialistic" these chicks really are.

BTW, have you been to Japan? If there are sill signs that read “no Chinese and dogs allowed� or “no foreigners allowed� or “locals only�, they are in Japan.
Yes, I've been to Japan a couple of times and you're right. There are still signs saying No Chinese allowed or foreigners allowed. Unknown to many white persons, Japan is one of the most racist countries in Asia, racist in the sense of discriminating other Asians.

Can't tell whether those signs are pure "the lingering tumor" of Japanese imperial past but as far as I know many Japanese have resentment to Chinese because of the competitive threats from China, the high-profile Anti-Japanese rhetoric by Beijing on every issue relating to Japan, China's support to North Korea and finally the Chinese "aliens" committing pickpocket crimes on the street in Japan.

Have you ever paid for sex in Japan that prompts your fantasy that “this is still a long march to the Japanese level�?
Nope, it's too expensive. I am too cheap to have a fun time. Plus, I find the Japanese chicks don't have white straight teeth like the North American counterparts. Sorry, this is kind of turn off to me.

You’ve watched too many Japanese XXX.
Again nope. Just a couple of those and I sure as hell know what does that mean when the AV stars purr "Yamadare". And I am NOT a big fan of burkake.

IMO, I think the American ones like the Vivid are better, much better. Plus I only LOVE clean shaven pussies :D
 

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Since when did this become an anti-Japanese thread?


And beefy4me, explain yourself or delete the post above!!
 

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Fight back!?!
beefy4me, Use your fucking brain!
That's not fighting back. That's throwing out hatred for no fucking good reason.

As far as I know, it wasn't Japanese members on this board who wrote "no Chinese and dogs allowed" on TERB or spread any type of hatred towards the Chinese.
So why the hell are you insulting people here who have in no way contributed to some stupidity elsewhere!?!?
(I'm positive that the TERB members who have been posting that phrase repeatedly are not Japanese)

You guys want to to tear into some ignorant and racist Japanese? That's fine. Go outside in the real world and put a stop to them.

As for in here, keep your bigotry to yourselves.

You want to point out that there are Japanese who hate Chinese. Well fine, there are some Japanese who don't have a clue and should wake the fuck up.
But Korea and China; are just as fucking bad. They have cases of ethnocentrism and xenophobia that match Japanese racist actions.

We can argue who is worse and who hates who more; till we're blue in the head. All you guys are doing is creating animosity between TERB members.
Look what you did already, you influenced beefy4me (who judging by his last two posts is somewhat dull in the head).

Once again, beefy4me
You should apologize for your stupid, thoughtless and extremly hate-filled post.
 

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To the Moderators

If any moderators read this, do not delete the thread please; but put a lock on this thread.

And hand out some warnings.
Especially to beefy4me for excessive stupidity!
 

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Just a few thoughts to sweet-guy before this conversation is over:

1. If you claim that you were too cheap to spend money hobbying in japan. WHERE DO YOU GET OFF commenting on the service mentality and looks of Japanese SP? On this and other threads you have repeated posed as an "expert" in Japanese Hobbying yet you HAVE NEVER PARTAKEN IN ANY? How do you explain that? No actually... I know you'll come up with an excuse that is at the same time lame and unbelievable. So please. Don't bother insulting your credibility and our intelligence any further.

2. My assumption is you haven't enjoyed any hobbying in Mainland China either. In all likelihood you were traveling with your parents and could not find time/money to enjoy in all of East Asia's finer pleasures. That's okay. Sooner or later you'll save enough pocket money to enjoy it. Oh. Please... once again, don't make some vague references about how much money you make or what job you work at. Your posts sort of speak for themselves. Story of our lives huh? I'm guessing there's <10 legit reviews in your 1200 posts... yikes.

3. The one observation that you had that actually made some sense is the fact that I now hobby much much much less in Toronto given the array of choices abroad. It's much better to save my pennies and invest in a plane ticket.

4. I'm not even going to dignify the rest of your posts with a response. Honestly.... Your views would seem xenophobic and ignorant for a Westerner who's never left North America. For an asian it's just down right stupid.

5. I agree that the last few comments by beefy are entirely unwarranted. I (we) have nothing against Japanese in general. And I have to say, the problem with Chineses had always been our lack of ability to stand united. We've always had to deal with jokers like sweet-guy who pretend to be white/japanese/korean or whatever it is that is currently fashionable.
 
leery said:
1. If you claim that you were too cheap to spend money hobbying in japan. WHERE DO YOU GET OFF commenting on the service mentality and looks of Japanese SP? On this and other threads you have repeated posed as an "expert" in Japanese Hobbying yet you HAVE NEVER PARTAKEN IN ANY? How do you explain that? No actually... I know you'll come up with an excuse that is at the same time lame and unbelievable. So please. Don't bother insulting your credibility and our intelligence any further.
You don't have to be a hobbyist in Japan to make the comments.

It's like people show sympathy to those suffering heart problems, diabites and high cholesterols and give advice but the sufferers say shove it since they don't have a damn clue on such illnesses and how "hard" they try to work things out.

2. My assumption is you haven't enjoyed any hobbying in Mainland China either. In all likelihood you were traveling with your parents and could not find time/money to enjoy in all of East Asia's finer pleasures. That's okay. Sooner or later you'll save enough pocket money to enjoy it.
You are dead wrong. I never travelled with my parents and I did have the money to do so. I also did extensive "research" on everything you said here and my conclusion is that it's overrated and the risks are not justified.


3. The one observation that you had that actually made some sense is the fact that I now hobby much much much less in Toronto given the array of choices abroad. It's much better to save my pennies and invest in a plane ticket.
Again, why are you here again?

Given what you describe and enjoy the "liberal menus" like rimming, BBBJCIM, Greek over there. Do the SPs, MPAs and yourself a big favour. Go to the Hassle Free clinic and get HIV and STD tests. You may want to contact ACAS just in case.

And I can say the HIV/AIDS and STD epidemics are going to be the same level as Africa 10 years down the road. That's from the UN before you flame me.

4. I'm not even going to dignify the rest of your posts with a response. Honestly.... Your views would seem xenophobic and ignorant for a Westerner who's never left North America. For an asian it's just down right stupid.
That's totally understandable now that China is soooo "respected" and "powerful" enough that anything "not positive" aren't looking good for the Chinese. Pride means everything.

5. And I have to say, the problem with Chineses had always been our lack of ability to stand united. We've always had to deal with jokers like sweet-guy who pretend to be white/japanese/korean or whatever it is that is currently fashionable.
I don't know I am that important :p. And stand united and stronghead does not mean you are right either.

Oh isn't that true "Stability is everything" at all cost, including cover up?
 

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beefy4me

You call yourself a patriot but you just make yourself and the people you represent look like a bunch of morons.
You don't like a phrase being used on TERB, then send a rational message to the people posting that phrase stating that you rather have them not post that phrase because it hurts your delicate sensibilties.
You're not a patriot when you write idiotic statements that spread hatred. You're actually do more harm to the people you supposedly represent. If you are Chinese, then act like an intelligent man of Chinese origin and if you cannot, then shut the fuck up.
( I do not even know why you brought up the Japanese out of the blue.)

As for stating cases of ethnocentrism and xenophobia by the Chinese and Koreans on this forum, well find the cases yourself if you're that interested.
Because I don't want or care to get into that kind of arguement here.
This is TERB, a review for escorts and such; and this kind of shit has not place on this forum.

But here's one example; a person by the name of beefy4me posted a statement that said "no japanese and pigs".
Although there were no Japanese who stated any anti-Chinese statements on the board, beefy4me just threw out a provoking statement of hatred for no fucking good reason.
As a result, he made himself and the people he represents look like a bunch of twats. Beefy4me claiming to be a patriot is actually a traitor to his race and nationality by acting like a friggin imbecile.
 

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To all of you, take your fucking ancient race wars somewhere else. They don't belong on this board!

What do the last few pages of this thread have at all to do with hobbying?

It is insulting to Chinese, Koreans, Japanese (of which I am just boring old whitebread).

It always scares me when people starting referring to themselves as patriots, its usually just a justification for being a bigot.
 
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