Any Other SP's Feel The Same Way?
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There you go again fuji, bringing pro gun comments into threads that have nothing to do with guns, lol.
If I was an SP, that's certainly what I'd tell my fiercest rival. Best done on a day when bad driving weather's cut into the biz.
With all due respect, you are simply playing a sexual role. You are not superior, despite what Elise Sutton might have you believe.
At the end of the day, he with the cash is dominant. Always.
Oh, you might whip his ass, or he sucks your strap on, or you get to call him worm. Whatever. It's what he wants and you're giving it to him in return for his cash. He says, "call me worm" and you call him worm. So really, who is dominating who? You are simply pandering to his sexual desires in return for money.
Wow let me try to explain it to you.
As a successful provider we have a very finite commodity for rent. There are only so many hours available, and there is more than 1 client looking to book. Most have little or no need or desire to "discount" in order to gain a 1/2 hour booking. If a guy shows up and says "I want a discount or I walk"..... well good luck to him. I would be offended.
If he starts negotiating on the phone, why bother with him? There are lots of clients out there, and he is wasting phone time a real client could be using.
The low rent guys are terrible as regulars. They tend to always go with the lowest cost provider, so they shop for the lowest price.
I sort of lucked in to a great regular, and third time I saw him I offered him a huge discount, because he provided repeat business.
I am sorry your model is wrong for the popular top end girls. They do not have enough time to go round. Why reduce your profit by dealing with someone who does not recognize your value?
We only have so many work hours available. Having people wanting to see you and not having the hrs available is just bad business
But getting back to the original question of negotiating rates, it all comes down to how busy a woman is.
But a succesful operating strategy would be to over deliver in terms of service, but at the stated price. This is what hobbyists want.
But a succesful operating strategy would be to over deliver in terms of service, but at the stated price. This is what hobbyists want.
Nothing new. Some people want a silk suit at polyester prices. What I find ridiculous is those that call & complain DESPITE there being a posted rate. You don't like..... don't call. There is others cheaper if that is what one wants.
EXACTLY!! And that's why I tend to find it offensive, I also am curious as to what in your head a reasonable negotiation is.. 120a HH should not be talked down to 60 extras should not be 'just included' while an SP might have the opportunity to make more money than most men keep in mind we can only work this profession for a limited time, I have career goals and do not wish to make this a long term normality for me, I'd also like to point out I'm a single mother of an infant with special diet needs I claim a percentage of my wage and I have a mortgage, I also have hotel expenses (1700 a month would you believe that!!) and travel expenses being I do not live where I work and travel home to my son each night. I also don't get a pension plan or benefits working as an SP.
So if your set on negotiations how low before it becomes offensive?
Ps. Still Firm on my Rates
Actually, I don't use SPs. I prefer a little SC action.
And again, with all due respect: If you're fully busy. There's no need to negotiate. If you don't want to, don't do it.
There are indeed only so hours In the day, and I prefer my employees busy, than laying them off, or telling them don't bother to come in tody. To me, THAT's cheap. I pay for the whole year, as a salary.
Do you EVER have slow times? If so, wouldn't it be better to work, than to not work?
It's your business....do what you wish...But if you had to meet a payroll for 55, you would think like I do.
Ok. Here we go.
Everyone is trying to equate this to other pruducts and services. The fact is everyone is placing it in the wrong catagory.
Its supposed to come under ENTERTAINMENT expenses. In other words AFTER you've taken care of all your NEEDS, it should be about your WANTS.
Equate it better to sports. For years I was a Jays Season ticket holder. From 83 to about 97. We had the money and it was a great product on the field. Then other things came into my life so I dropped them. Wasn't worth it. This year I bought * 10 pack. Why because I had the disposable income and it was worth it.
If you are placing seeing an SP under basic expenses, to the point you need to haggle to afford it, it isn't a hobby anymore.
It comes under the heading of addiction.
My 5 cents......rounded up
Everyone is trying to equate this to other pruducts and services. The fact is everyone is placing it in the wrong catagory.
Its supposed to come under ENTERTAINMENT expenses. In other words AFTER you've taken care of all your NEEDS, it should be about your WANTS.
Equate it better to sports. For years I was a Jays Season ticket holder. From 83 to about 97. We had the money and it was a great product on the field. Then other things came into my life so I dropped them. Wasn't worth it. This year I bought * 10 pack. Why because I had the disposable income and it was worth it.
If you are placing seeing an SP under basic expenses, to the point you need to haggle to afford it, it isn't a hobby anymore.
It comes under the heading of addiction.
My 5 cents......rounded up
dude, you are arguing with a dude, pretending to be a chick who pretends to be an sp while never actually having any clients but is the foremost authority in the industry. save your finger strength.
my mom always told me it never hurts to ask. she haggles with everyone and walks away with amazing deals every time. i don't understand why some things are negotiable and others are not.
yo ask, she says no, you apologize and say it never hurts to ask. then get after it.
yo ask, she says no, you apologize and say it never hurts to ask. then get after it.
i like what Dmac1701x wrote . YOUR BODY = YOUR MENU AND YOUR RATE. This business is unlike almost all other businesses , in my view, because of the intimate nature and untold variables that are inherently in these physical transactions. SPs aren't commodities, or jeans, or whatever the hell else certain guys try to compare them to. And neither am I.
i NEVER negotiate a ladies posted rate on a first visit, whether or not it is a well reviewed lady or a TOFTT. However i do seek VALUE in my experiences and if I feel that I am getting good value, i will repeat, and if I don't feel value, no repeat. Over time , i find with the repeats, almost without exception the menu opens, the clock goes away, the service is undoubtedly much better and it does become a true gfe experience. I haven't found that the rate goes down, but the value equation certainly adjusts to my benefit (and the odd total free treat is thrown in -which is really wonderful.)
SP's offer their time. Time is a perishable, which once it passes it is gone forever. So theoretically one dollar of revenue earned in an hour that goes by, is better than zero dollars and can be used to contribute to her fixed costs. Sure that is an extreme , absurd example. So the answer for an SP is simply to manage her business, pay attention to how much time she is working vs how much time she is idle. If she is idle too much, she may be charging too much for the markets perception of the value she offers. If she is busy at that price, too busy, she may be able to charge more. Again this is a markets perception, don't take it personally. The market has room for all kinds of different price points and service levels. Just read the reviews on TERB and read the ads to figure out where your competition is pricing and what services they are offering. And if you do develop a rapport w a client, dont be afraid to ask for some feedback on his perception of the value to him of the experience you two just shared. Figure out what works for you and manage your time, revenue, variable costs, and contribute to your fixed costs and then make a damn profit....
One point that i do believe is under-considered by SPs and agencies is that in this business, more than almost any other business i can think of, repeat business, with prompt, clean, safe clients who pay without making an issue is worth its weight in gold to the provider and i would think a smart SP would aggressively retain these type of clients. The risks and costs of acquiring new clients is punitive for an SP and/ or an agency and for those that easily get through that filter and are proven clients should reap the benefits. In actuality, those of us who are established , good clients pay for all the jerks out there who are not good clients.
i NEVER negotiate a ladies posted rate on a first visit, whether or not it is a well reviewed lady or a TOFTT. However i do seek VALUE in my experiences and if I feel that I am getting good value, i will repeat, and if I don't feel value, no repeat. Over time , i find with the repeats, almost without exception the menu opens, the clock goes away, the service is undoubtedly much better and it does become a true gfe experience. I haven't found that the rate goes down, but the value equation certainly adjusts to my benefit (and the odd total free treat is thrown in -which is really wonderful.)
SP's offer their time. Time is a perishable, which once it passes it is gone forever. So theoretically one dollar of revenue earned in an hour that goes by, is better than zero dollars and can be used to contribute to her fixed costs. Sure that is an extreme , absurd example. So the answer for an SP is simply to manage her business, pay attention to how much time she is working vs how much time she is idle. If she is idle too much, she may be charging too much for the markets perception of the value she offers. If she is busy at that price, too busy, she may be able to charge more. Again this is a markets perception, don't take it personally. The market has room for all kinds of different price points and service levels. Just read the reviews on TERB and read the ads to figure out where your competition is pricing and what services they are offering. And if you do develop a rapport w a client, dont be afraid to ask for some feedback on his perception of the value to him of the experience you two just shared. Figure out what works for you and manage your time, revenue, variable costs, and contribute to your fixed costs and then make a damn profit....
One point that i do believe is under-considered by SPs and agencies is that in this business, more than almost any other business i can think of, repeat business, with prompt, clean, safe clients who pay without making an issue is worth its weight in gold to the provider and i would think a smart SP would aggressively retain these type of clients. The risks and costs of acquiring new clients is punitive for an SP and/ or an agency and for those that easily get through that filter and are proven clients should reap the benefits. In actuality, those of us who are established , good clients pay for all the jerks out there who are not good clients.
LOL if you say so
If it had happened to me way back when I would just have asked him to leave.you never had any clients, stop pretending like you did.LOL if you say so
Very few SPs have many employees.
With respect to your question about "Do you ever have slow times", my room mate was doing her MBA and helped me with the business aspects of making money. By the time I came to Toronto for my first week as an SP I had already booked several men. (2 hr minimum).
So that week I had no empty slots (pun intended). My first client liked me and basically made me an offer I could not resist and kept me for the entire week. I traveled to Toronto and worked several weekends till I retired 4 months later. I hard a target ($40k), I met it, I retired. No significant "not busy" time.
If you give a discount your client will tell everyone and that becomes your new "rate". It is a sucker deal. AS long as you have the income you want NEVER lower your rate or give discounts.
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