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Anti-bullying bill subverts Catholic curriculum: group

d_jedi

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I wore that kilt with pride (and got sent home in grade 9 bc it was too short lol)
Mmm.. I'm getting a visual of this. :)
Wait.. what were we talking about?

I definitely think girls should be allowed to shorten their school kilts! Freedom of expression! (This was what we were talking about, right?)
 

d_jedi

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My understanding (I'm not religious) is that, according to the Catholic faith, homosexual acts are a sin. And it's also my understanding (I went to public school) Catholic schools teach in accordance with the Catholic faith.

Bill 13 would require all school boards to implement policies that combat bullying and “promote a positive school climate that is inclusive and accepting of all pupils, including pupils of any race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age, marital status, family status or disability.” It also calls for “activities or organizations that promote the awareness and understanding of, and respect for, people of all sexual orientations and gender identities, including organizations with the name gay-straight alliance or another name.”
I think this can be accomplished - while respecting the Catholic faith - but a fine line must be walked, and compromise must be accepted by all "sides". "Hate the sin, love the sinner" or something to that effect..
 

GPIDEAL

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Even if they do like it, we should stop funding them.

Public education dollars should only be used to teach the provincial curriculum. People who want to teach their kids about Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Zeus, Caligula, whatever, should do it on their own dime.

It's hard to imagine the situation will ever change. Then again, I never would have imagined that running a bawdy house in Ontario would be on the edge of being legal.
Moviefan, I know a high school teacher that teaches religion in a Catholic school. It's not just about Jesus anymore. It's a broad topic including world religions, so it is a public curriculum. When he & I were students at that same school, it wasn't publicly funded like today, and religion classes were taught by priests or nuns.
 

GPIDEAL

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In Toronto at least, only in secondary schools. The Elementary schools are still allowed to 'protect' their Catholic youth by preventing them from interacting with others (and still remain publicly funded).
Ya sorry, that's what I meant. Thanks.
 

blackrock13

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I wore that kilt with pride (and got sent home in grade 9 bc it was too short lol) Look what happened to me :D....

all kidding aside - I don't see the need or understand the support for the Separate School Board (That said - our board was considered to be superior to THe Public Board of the city I grew up in and I can say, based on my own observations... the kids I went to school with were a little less corrupt, we had way-less teen pregnancies, and we had a lot less racially-motivated drama than the public schools did....)
You could have told them it wasn't a short skirt, but a wide belt.
 
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mandrill

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To return to the original post - So, the Catholic school people are opposed to government measures to prevent teaching hate against gays because Catholics want to teach hate against gays. Hmmmmm.....

Sounds like your friend needs the teaching more than most people.
 

rld

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I don't have a problem with the general thrust of the bill, which is to prevent bullying and create a good environment for different kinds of children in schools. That is entirely consistent with the Catholic faith and the mainstream approach to inclusiveness and anti-bullying programs.

For instance, let's say in a public school there is a kid who is oh...bi-polar let's say. The school can help prevent this kid being bullied, and provide an inclusive environment, while working with his doctors to manage or cure his problem. You can, and must in our context, help this child without saying "being bi-polar is a good thing, just as good as being mentally healthy." Same thing for most other disabilities. There is no value judgement involved except basic human dignity. So far, so good.

But when they go further and insist that the school must promote the idea that something is good or healthy, when the religious principles say it is not, you have stepped over the line. I have not read the whole bill, but this bit from an article makes me leary:


pupils of any race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age, marital status, family status or disability.” It also calls for “activities or organizations that promote the awareness and understanding of, and respect for, people of all sexual orientations and gender identities, including organizations with the name gay-straight alliance or another name.”
I think if this legislation is passed as is, there is a risk of a Charter Challenge that could be very important.
 

rld

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To return to the original post - So, the Catholic school people are opposed to government measures to prevent teaching hate against gays because Catholics want to teach hate against gays. Hmmmmm.....

Sounds like your friend needs the teaching more than most people.
Catholic schools do not teach hate against gays.
 

oil&gas

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Catholic schools do not teach hate against gays.
I am not familiar with Catholic schools here in Canada. But the Catholic school where I grew up
never ever once taught us to hate gays. In fact it never had to teach us that marriage
is natural only if it is a heterosexual union. New Testament studies covered the four
gospels and Acts of the Apostles. I was never exposed to biblical judgment on gays
in the book of Romans until my encounter with evangelical Christianity here which are
almost invariably non-Catholic.

If hypothetically I could start all over again I would chose a strictly secular education over
a Catholic upbringing. I don't like the idea of teaching fables to kids. But that doesn't
seem to be the rationale behind all the Catholic bashing.
 

oil&gas

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they just teach that gay sex is wrong, unless it is performed by a priest on a young boy and then it is our little secret.
Yeah, and in public schools they just teach that underage sex is wrong unless it is performed
by a teacher on his/her pupil.
 

mandrill

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Catholic schools do not teach hate against gays.
Well, why on earth would they object to an anti-bullying educational then?
 

Moviefan-2

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Moviefan, I know a high school teacher that teaches religion in a Catholic school. It's not just about Jesus anymore. It's a broad topic including world religions, so it is a public curriculum. When he & I were students at that same school, it wasn't publicly funded like today, and religion classes were taught by priests or nuns.
I'm assuming Jesus and the Virgin Mary still have something to do with the agenda. Otherwise, why does this bullying issue even exist?
 
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