Another Malaysian Airways flight down over Ukraine....
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The u.s. Should re-deploy it's armed drones from Pakistan, where more than a plane load of innocent civilians have been killed, and give Kiev the drones. Simply annihilate the terrorists
Blue Lazer is pretty handy with incisive, angry denunciations of the pro Western fools who don't agree with him. Less handy with real facts.
Example: He once said the Canadian aid for Ukraine was pointless as Ukraine's war industries and war capabilities far exceed Canada's. Yet everything I have read from Ukraine indicates that the defence industries are so run down and degraded and the army so badly supplied and corrupt that they find it difficult to obtain even body armour and helmets.
Russians awoke on Friday to news reports that bumbling Ukrainian troops had shot down a Malaysia Airlines jet after mistaking it for President Vladimir Putin’s official plane. Another theory: The Ukrainians intentionally shot down the jet at close range as a “planned provocation.” Or maybe there wasn’t a crash at all, and the bodies were those of passengers from Malaysia Air flight M370, which disappeared in March.
Most of these weird news reports aren’t coming from tabloids or fringe websites. They’re coming from Russia’s leading news outlets, which are almost entirely under state control. The report on the mistaken identification of Putin’s plane, for example, aired on Channel One, the country’s most popular TV network. The journalists never explained why the Ukrainians might have thought Putin was in the neighborhood, since he was attending a well-publicized summit in Brazil on the day of the crash.
State-owned news agency ITAR-TASS, meanwhile, put out a report disputing suggestions that separatist rebels may have hit the plane with a Buk surface-to-air missile. It quoted a spokesman for the rebels as saying they had no weapons capable of shooting down an airliner at 33,000 feet—overlooking that ITAR-TASS itself had previously reported that the rebels had seized Buk missiles from a Ukrainian military installation.
Someone at state-run All-Russia State Television & Radio Broadcasting even appears to have edited a Russian-language Wikipedia article on plane crashes today, to say that the plane “was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers.”
And Sara Firth, a London-based correspondent for Russia’s international TV network RT, said today that she was quitting because RT was spreading “shockingly obvious misinformation.” She’s the second RT journalist to leave this year while accusing the Kremlin of shaping the network’s news coverage.
To outsiders, Russian media coverage of the Ukraine crisis may seem far-fetched, conspiracy-laden, and contradictory. But it’s effectively convinced Russians that the Ukrainian rebels need their help to fight brutal repression by Kiev. “Aggressive and deceptive propaganda, worse than anything I witnessed in the Soviet Union,” is how Lev Gudkov, director of the Levada polling group, described it to the BBC last month. Indeed, Levada surveys show that most Russians think their country should be doing more to support the rebels, including direct military intervention in Ukraine.
Until now, this has helped Putin withstand a storm of international criticism and sanctions that risk harming Russia’s ailing economy. Yet the inflamed public opinion could also make it harder for Russia to back away from the rebels if investigators find that they shot down a civilian aircraft with 298 people on board. Putin may find that his support for the rebellion has unleashed an “uncontrollable force,” says Angela Stent, director of the Center for Eurasian, Russian and East European Studies at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service.
“As pro-Putin media and social network trolls invent increasingly fantastical versions” of the crash, writes Bloomberg View columnist Leonid Bershidsky, “Russia risks becoming a pariah even to developing countries that have sympathized with its anti-American stance.”
A major source of questionable information about the crisis has come from state-controlled Channel One. The network recently drew condemnation for a report claiming Ukrainian troops had crucified a small boy by nailing him to a billboard in the city of Slavyansk. No other news organization could find witnesses to the incident, which Channel One said took place before a crowd in the city’s central square. Among other dubious elements in the report was a glaring issue: There’s no billboard in Slavyansk’s central square.
In its Friday report on the Ukrainians’ allegedly mistaking the Malaysia Air jet for Putin’s plane, Channel One said the Boeing 777 could be confused with the Ilyushin II-96 used by the Russian president if seen from a distance. It would be hard to mistake them close-up, however, since the Ilyushin has four engines and the Boeing has two. Not to mention the Russian presidential insignia and other differentiating marks that would be easily visible at close range. Yet in a separate report, Channel One suggested that a Ukrainian fighter jet might have shot down the plane and even offered quotes from villagers near the crash site saying another plane had been flying alongside the Boeing before the explosion.
Out in Russian cyberspace, the theories get even weirder. One of the most fanciful contends that no crash occurred and that the scene was staged with corpses from the earlier Malaysia Air flight, which were sprinkled with fake passports and other items to throw investigators off the trail.
The media have “juggled different versions: Ukrainian fighter, Ukrainian rocket attack on Putin, and so on,” columnist Oleg Kashin writes on the Russian-language Free Press website. “The more versions there are, the less clear it is, and the more time there is to work out the final version that will become canonical.” http://mobile.businessweek.com/arti...oting-russian-news-media-tries-crazy-theories
Russian media attempts to lie its way out of trouble with crazy, crazy theories about the shoot-down.
They are no different then the USA, the whoppers and bullshit they came up when the blew that Iranian airliner out of the sky are appalling. They even made the Iranians sue them in International court before they paid compensation to the poor fuckers who's loved ones the killed.
NO OFFENSE.... But why the F would a commercial carrier fly over a conflict area..... it is a disaster waiting to happen. I wouldn't want my wife to fly over Ukraine.
Which might be interesting if there was any real issue as to whether a crash had taken place or not. But 99% say that there is a crash - including Ukraine, Donetsk, Moscow, Washington and every other country. Only a couple of internet trolls are suggesting its ALL a huge conspiracy theory.
At this point just the one Dutch-U.S. dual national. Most of the others turned out to be Dutch - now over 190.
I pretty much knew this was gonna happen:
http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/ukraine-russia-rebels-destroying-flight-mh17-evidence/
http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/ukraine-russia-rebels-destroying-flight-mh17-evidence/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/mh17-crash-pro-russia-rebels-block-access-ukraine
Article from the Guardian saying much the same as the NY Post.
Article from the Guardian saying much the same as the NY Post.
The Russians are saying the Ukrainians did it, The Ukrainians are saying the Russians did it. Meanwhile North Korea are saying "It was us, we did it!"
So what? The US told massive lies and tried to cover up their massive incompetence that killed those people. In this case it also was a case of massive incompetence. None of the most likely suspects (separatists or Russians) would want to shoot down a Malaysian plane. But in the case of the Gulf incident, these were highly trained USN staff, while in this case it was either a) some paramilitary douchbags, Russians or Ukrainian troops. Only the Ukrainians would have a motive to shoot down a random airliner....although it would shock me that they would be so ruthless. They do HATE the Russians though and i mean HATE!!!
Not really fair to blame Malaysians for this, they run a good airline with excellent service and very well maintained aircraft.
Uhm no, they have tons of blame.
What kind of responsible airline starts flying over warzones after one of their planes just went missing which still hasnt been found yet. Smart move was to play it safe and not take any risks like they did by flying over the Ukraine.
Malaysia Air gambled to save fuel, and they lost (again)
Vladimir Putin is the richest man in the world, worth approx $80 billion -graft pays!
He is also a macho meathead who cannot begin to contemplate the huge risks he is taking. He could end up becoming the Kerensky of the 21st Century, only this time it won't be the Bolsheviks who take over, it will be the PRC. Czar Vlad will bankrupt the country sooner than later.He signed a sweetheart gas deal with the PRC for a fraction of what Europe is paying. He's already subsidizing Transdnistria, South Ossetia and most recently Crimea. He's opened a Pandora's Box with East Ukraine, it's too big to subsidize and he knows it. The situation is spiraling out of his control.
What Putin will eventually become:
He is also a macho meathead who cannot begin to contemplate the huge risks he is taking. He could end up becoming the Kerensky of the 21st Century, only this time it won't be the Bolsheviks who take over, it will be the PRC. Czar Vlad will bankrupt the country sooner than later.He signed a sweetheart gas deal with the PRC for a fraction of what Europe is paying. He's already subsidizing Transdnistria, South Ossetia and most recently Crimea. He's opened a Pandora's Box with East Ukraine, it's too big to subsidize and he knows it. The situation is spiraling out of his control.
What Putin will eventually become:
