Another Cyclist Murdered

[fuji]

I live downtown Toronto, and I lost count how many bicyclists I see running red lights and stop signs on any given day.

They get very little sympathy from me

I have lost count of the number of drivers I have seen speeding, cutting across multiple lanes, making illegal turns, making crazy dangerous uturns, driving in reverse on one way streets, parked in bike lanes, running red lights, failing to signal, yapping on cellphones, reading newspapers, and texting while driving. I have even seen car drivers zipping along shaving or doing their fucking makeup in the rearview mirror.

The reality is that everybody on the road breaks the rules, and car drivers are the worst offenders, and when cars break the rules they put other people at risk.

Car driving is the number one cause of death for young adults to middle aged people. It is an absolute carnage.

Given how phenomenally dangerous cars are too anybody near them it makes sense to separate them from less lethal traffic with divided lanes and such.

This is not a convenience issue this is the most serious threat to public health there is.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I have lost count of the number of drivers I have seen speeding, cutting across multiple lanes, making illegal turns, making crazy dangerous uturns, driving in reverse on one way streets, parked in bike lanes, running red lights, failing to signal, and texting while driving. I have even seen car drivers zipping along shaving or doing their fucking makeup in the rearview mirror

I dont deny that, but if I'm a bicyclist I would use extra care because if I run a stop sign or red light, and get into an accident, I'm much more likely to come off worse then the driver of a car is

 

[fuji]

I dont deny that, but if I'm a bicyclist I would use extra care because if I run a stop sign or red light, and get into an accident, I'm much more likely to come off worse then the driver of a car is

Sure, in light of the huge menace posed by lawless car drivers and in the absence of any sane policy that is wise.

But we really do need segregated lanes to keep law breaking car drivers from killing more people.

 

[fuji]

Just saying, the drivers who complain the most about cyclists tend to be the same ones who swerve down the road chomping on a burger while trying to steer with their knee.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

My point is fuji, if you're a bicyclist and purposefully ignore stop signs and red lights every day, dont come whining when you become a hood ornament for a Mack truck some day.

To me there's a difference between someone who accidently misses a stop sign or red light, and some cyclist who doesnt give a shit and feels its his/her entitlement to not have to stop for stop signs or red lights

 

[whatsinaname]

Just saying, the drivers who complain the most about cyclists tend to be the same ones who swerve down the road chomping on a burger while trying to steer with their knee.

Really? Cause you know that? You know that it is the driver who break most of the rules that complain. Not the drivers that follow the rules of the road complaining???? Can you provide some support facts or are you talking out of your ass again like you did about the so called Witness #9.

 

[fuji]

My point is fuji, if you're a bicyclist and purposefully ignore stop signs and red lights every day, dont come whining when you become a hood ornament for a Mack truck some day.

To me there's a difference between someone who accidently misses a stop sign or red light, and some cyclist who doesnt give a shit and feels its his/her entitlement to not have to stop for stop signs or red lights

I agree but I also see the solution.

Thing is that I don't know a single car driver who follows the rules, and if you try to follow the rules other drivers honk in anger.

 

[red]

Just saying, the drivers who complain the most about cyclists tend to be the same ones who swerve down the road chomping on a burger while trying to steer with their knee.

ah yes fuji- its the fat drivers...............

 

[gcostanza]

The worse offenders are taxis and delivery trucks. A taxi will run you over if you are between him/her and a potential fare.

Proof?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Just saying, the drivers who complain the most about cyclists tend to be the same ones who swerve down the road chomping on a burger while trying to steer with their knee.

You can chomp on a burger with one hand and drive with the other. I couldn't on a bike.

 

[GPIDEAL]

My point is fuji, if you're a bicyclist and purposefully ignore stop signs and red lights every day, dont come whining when you become a hood ornament for a Mack truck some day.

To me there's a difference between someone who accidently misses a stop sign or red light, and some cyclist who doesnt give a shit and feels its his/her entitlement to not have to stop for stop signs or red lights

Some retard was riding his bike on the sidewalk and doesn't dismount to cross the sidestreet which I was trying to exit from. I bloody had to slam on my brakes. Roads are primarily for cars, not bikes. But they abuse the privilege.

 

[Ridgeman08]

Separate lanes don't mean shit. A friend of mine whose a cyclist was almost killed by a truck who crossed over into the bike lane.

As a cycling enthusiast and a driver myself, I have witnessed NUMEROUS times, drivers such as Fuji describes earlier. Texting, reading, fiddling with all sorts of things or eating or even doing her make up, don't prevent people from crossing lanes. All it does is give a false sense of entitlement to the cyclist.

Like another member posted... a cyclist is NEVER going to win an argument with a car. Cyclists just have to become more aware of their surroundings and ride accordingly... and they CERTAINLY need to ride more responsibly as well. Running stop signs and traffic lights in the midst of traffic is nothing but a recipe for disaster.

 

[fuji]

ah yes fuji- its the fat drivers...............

Damned Skippy.

(Peanut butter. Lots of it.)

 

[fuji]

Separate lanes don't mean shit. A friend of mine whose a cyclist was almost killed by a truck who crossed over into the bike lane.

As a cycling enthusiast and a driver myself, I have witnessed NUMEROUS times, drivers such as Fuji describes earlier. Texting, reading, fiddling with all sorts of things or eating or even doing her make up, don't prevent people from crossing lanes. All it does is give a false sense of entitlement to the cyclist.

Like another member posted... a cyclist is NEVER going to win an argument with a car. Cyclists just have to become more aware of their surroundings and ride accordingly... and they CERTAINLY need to ride more responsibly as well. Running stop signs and traffic lights in the midst of traffic is nothing but a recipe for disaster.

I agree. For clarity by separated lanes I meant fenced off with a concrete divider. Not paint.

 

[fuji]

You can chomp on a burger with one hand and drive with the other. I couldn't on a bike.

My point's proven right here. This is the sort of road menace that complains about bicycles.

 

[Aardvark154]

Perhaps those who have it in for the TPS have a point. In most jurisdictions fatal collisions involve a full reconstruction by a certified reconstructionist and a review of that report by a prosecutor.

 

[Ironhead]

Try riding a motorcycle in this city for a couple hours and you'll find out how clueless drivers in general are

There is a group that needs some rules of the road education.
The motorbikers I see lately deserve to be run off the road a few times.
Riding along the broken white line between lanes of cars, on shoulders of highways, using entrance/exit lanes to advance.

I cross some pretty busy intersections everyday and always get rushed by drivers on a pedestrian light on a regular basis.

Was rushed by a douche in a Porshe 911 at Keele and Hwy 7 once.

That could have been messy as he never even stopped or slowed.

Some just check for oncoming traffic to their left and never look right to see if pedestrians are beginning to cross.

I simply let them go by as no amount of insurance/court settlement will bring back my limbs.

With the more attentive ones, I make eye contact, wave in appreciation for giving me the go ahead and then step off the curb.

YES ! An intelligent pedestrian.
Always make eye contact with cyclist/pedestrian/driver !

i wouldn't call it murder. not like the guy jumped in his car and went looking for someone to hit. seems to me the guy on the bike was at fault for running the red and not wearing the proper reflective gear and the guy in the car is guilty of not paying attention while he was driving. then got really fucking scared and drove off like a real piece of shit would do. i don't see it as murder but a series of seriously unfortunate events.

This is the way I see it. The driver got scared and panicked.

Murder probably not. But negligent homicide is possible if timelier care could have saved the life of the cyclist.

Hit and run drivers are the scum of the earth. They leave a seriously injured person lying on the road because of what? Insurance rates?

No. Some people panic and do not think straight.

Maniac motorists are killing cyclists, pedestrians and each other at a record rate in 2012.

The latest death is a 35 year old grade 2 teacher (Swansea Public school) mowed down by a hit and run driver at a crosswalk. Hope they catch the bastard. Anybody who hits, kills and then drives away should be charged with murder.

As someone already said calling it murder is just sensationalism.
It is so obviously not murder.

 

[GameBoy27]

I have lost count of the number of drivers I have seen speeding, cutting across multiple lanes, making illegal turns, making crazy dangerous uturns, driving in reverse on one way streets, parked in bike lanes, running red lights, failing to signal, yapping on cellphones, reading newspapers, and texting while driving. I have even seen car drivers zipping along shaving or doing their fucking makeup in the rearview mirror.

The reality is that everybody on the road breaks the rules, and car drivers are the worst offenders, and when cars break the rules they put other people at risk.

Car driving is the number one cause of death for young adults to middle aged people. It is an absolute carnage.

Given how phenomenally dangerous cars are too anybody near them it makes sense to separate them from less lethal traffic with divided lanes and such.

This is not a convenience issue this is the most serious threat to public health there is.

As both a cyclist and car driver, I would say it should read more like this.

I have lost count of the number of cyclists I have seen, cutting across multiple lanes, making illegal turns, not signaling turns, making crazy dangerous uturns, driving the wrong way on one way streets, running red lights, failing to signal, yapping on cellphones, riding on the sidewalk, texting while riding and riding at night wearing dark clothes and no lights.

The reality is that everybody on the road breaks the rules, and cyclists are the worst offenders, and when cyclists break the rules they put themselves at risk.

When I'm cycling I pay attention to the cars on the road, I don't assume they can see me and don't put myself at risk, I follow the rules, I don't do all the crazy shit I see other cyclists doing and as a result, I very rarely have a problem sharing the road with cars.

I suspect cyclists who always have problems with cars are the ones with attitude who ride like idiots, constantly putting themselves in danger, expecting drivers to always see and avoid them. Just like pedestrians who jaywalk in front of oncoming cars, giving the driver a dirty look while walking so slowly as to force the car to brake or swerve to avoid hitting them. Just wait until they try that with someone who isn't paying attention. They wouldn't look so tough plastered on the hood of the car.

Oh and btw, it's not illegal to reverse on a one way street.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

As both a cyclist and car driver, I would say it should read more like this.

I have lost count of the number of cyclists I have seen, cutting across multiple lanes, making illegal turns, not signaling turns, making crazy dangerous uturns, driving the wrong way on one way streets, running red lights, failing to signal, yapping on cellphones, riding on the sidewalk, texting while riding and riding at night wearing dark clothes and no lights.

The reality is that everybody on the road breaks the rules, and cyclists are the worst offenders, and when cyclists break the rules they put themselves at risk.

When I'm cycling I pay attention to the cars on the road, I don't assume they can see me and don't put myself at risk, I follow the rules, I don't do all the crazy shit I see other cyclists doing and as a result, I very rarely have a problem sharing the road with cars.

I suspect cyclists who always have problems with cars are the ones with attitude who ride like idiots, constantly putting themselves in danger, expecting drivers to always see and avoid them. Just like pedestrians who jaywalk in front of oncoming cars, giving the driver a dirty look while walking so slowly as to force the car to brake or swerve to avoid hitting them. Just wait until they try that with someone who isn't paying attention. They wouldn't look so tough plastered on the hood of the car

This is spot on!

Bike couriers are the worst. Anyone who lives or works downtown will know what I'm talking aboot

 

[Ridgeman08]

This is spot on!

Bike couriers are the worst. Anyone who lives or works downtown will know what I'm talking aboot

I don't live downtown, but have been on appointments to the core many times, and have seen the shit I see those dare devils do, and it surprises me they are still alive.