Another COVID vaccine death

shack

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Maybe you can explain the vaccine deaths as pure coincidence better?

Why do people have to look at the alternative instead of the obvious???
Why do people look at something with no clear cut explanation and make assumptions.

Did you know that people died of numerous causes every day even before there was covid and a vaccine for it? Guess what, people are still dying of those things.

From the article:
SALT LAKE CITY — The family of a woman who died after receiving her second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine believes there might be a connection to the vaccine itself.

What expertise does her family have on this topic? I imagine that they have ZERO expertise to make such a determination.
 

PeteOsborne

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Or maybe you can just leave it the fuck alone and respect democracy and freedom of speech? Why dont you censor the news outlets that printed the story?? Its the same MSM news you get your daily covid scare from, isnt it?

If you are a supporter of removing or editing articles to fit your narrative, YOU, might be communist?
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Is something bothering you today?
We have, in the past had, what I would call, amicable disagreements, with each of us outlining our views on the topic at hand, never delving into personal insults or statements on each others intelligence or political stance. I found these to be relatively informative and you helped me see different viewpoints and sometimes even showed that I was in fact misinformed on some things unrelated to this forum.
Now, today in two posts to an obviously sarcastic post you have said I have a "mental disability", that I jump to conclusions, which you know is far from true since I endeavour to gather all the pertinent information that I can before expressing, yes, my opinion.
I respect freedom of speech and democracy, I wasn't aware that adding clarification to a post was anything other than adding clarification to a post.
Why would I want to censor any news story? I never referenced the article you posted or said it should be removed or edited.
By your narrative it seems that anyone who makes a sarcastic statement is a communist.
Also I don't know where you get the idea I get a daily covid scare from MSM.
I go to restaurants when I feel like eating out, etc. no fear, I wear a mask to protect others, personal distance and sanitize or wash my hands frequently to protect myself.
I am not afraid of the vaccines being distributed or any other outlandish theories circulating about covid.
I don't ever recall anyone in person or online stating that I should seek professional mental help, can you say the same?
 
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PeteOsborne

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I actually like his world peace efforts myself.

Trump kills terrorist leader with eyes on destroying western culture........ BAD!

Biden bombs syria and in turn helping Iran out (same people against USA)...... GOOD?
"Trump kills terrorist leader with eyes on destroying western culture"
Assassination in an allied country, without informing the allied country of the strike while the terrorist leader was supposed to be under their protection while attending a conference of state military leaders.
It was said that the operation was carried out in self defense to prevent imminent attacks on US forces.
International law states the test for so-called anticipatory self-defense is very narrow: it must be a necessity that is “instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment of deliberation”
"Biden bombs syria and in turn helping Iran out"
Incorrect, the US bombed Iranian backed forces in Syria who were repeatedly using rocket attacks against US coalition forces on the ground in Iraq.
Syria was advised of the strikes just before it happened.
 

shack

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Is something bothering you today?
We have, in the past had, what I would call, amicable disagreements, with each of us outlining our views on the topic at hand, never delving into personal insults or statements on each others intelligence or political stance. I found these to be relatively informative and you helped me see different viewpoints and sometimes even showed that I was in fact misinformed on some things unrelated to this forum.
Now, today in two posts to an obviously sarcastic post you have said I have a "mental disability", that I jump to conclusions, which you know is far from true since I endeavour to gather all the pertinent information that I can before expressing, yes, my opinion.
I respect freedom of speech and democracy, I wasn't aware that adding clarification to a post was anything other than adding clarification to a post.
Why would I want to censor any news story? I never referenced the article you posted or said it should be removed or edited.
By your narrative it seems that anyone who makes a sarcastic statement is a communist.
Also I don't know where you get the idea I get a daily covid scare from MSM.
I go to restaurants when I feel like eating out, etc. no fear, I wear a mask to protect others, personal distance and sanitize or wash my hands frequently to protect myself.
I am not afraid of the vaccines being distributed or any other outlandish theories circulating about covid.
I don't ever recall anyone in person or online stating that I should seek professional mental help, can you say the same?
I think that smallhatch is just coming off a lengthy ban for vile, disgusting insults. He is unhinged.
 

smallhatchet

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As I said, I do my research and I understand the risks. I somehow don't consider sitting alone in my office at work without a mask on to be particularly risky. As I said, if I meet with any co-workers we meet in a large common area socially distanced. As for escorts, as I said it's a matter of weighed risk, since there's always a risk involved. In this case the escort and I have both agreed to take the risk and I believe the greatest risk is in group settings rather than one on one contact with another person. I also limit appointments to once a month and will shut it down when the numbers get sufficiently high. But given the rate of positivity the odds of being in a one on one situation with someone who has COVID are very small - but increase exponentially when you increase the numbers of people.

You're seeing this as an either/or situation - either I agree with you and denounce every public health measure out there as a horrible infringement on rights, or I agree with those who want to completely shut down small businesses (I believe small retailers should be able to open with limited capacity) and who avoid, for example, the escort industry like - forgive me - the plague. Instead I strike a balance between the two.

And actually I didn't "preach" about a thing. Not once did I tell you what you should or shouldn't do. I simply advocate for people to be responsible in assessing risks and to act according to that rather than to simply deny the existence of the risk. I don't have to agree with every public health restriction to be responsible. As an adult I can decide what's responsible and what isn't. I had a rapid COVID test a few days ago for work purposes. I was negative. I guess I'm being sufficiently responsible so far. But I think we all need to constantly balance rights with responsibilities, rather than come down for one or the other. Rights without responsibility is anarchy; responsibility without rights is dictatorship. I prefer some in between point.

As for being paranoid - you're afraid of masks; you're afraid of vaccines; you seem convinced that they're all some big conspiracy. Paranoid much?
You're afraid of a virus with a 99.7% AT HOME recovery. 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
 

smallhatchet

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Why do people look at something with no clear cut explanation and make assumptions.

Did you know that people died of numerous causes every day even before there was covid and a vaccine for it? Guess what, people are still dying of those things.

Thank you! Finally you're understanding this whole argument of covid!

Thats the whole point of this plandemic!

MOre people die from other diseases and virus every year than covid around the word.

Why or how have soo many people become soo scared over a virus with a 99.7% at home recovery???????????????
 

smallhatchet

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Is something bothering you today?
We have, in the past had, what I would call, amicable disagreements, with each of us outlining our views on the topic at hand, never delving into personal insults or statements on each others intelligence or political stance. I found these to be relatively informative and you helped me see different viewpoints and sometimes even showed that I was in fact misinformed on some things unrelated to this forum.
Now, today in two posts to an obviously sarcastic post you have said I have a "mental disability", that I jump to conclusions, which you know is far from true since I endeavour to gather all the pertinent information that I can before expressing, yes, my opinion.
I respect freedom of speech and democracy, I wasn't aware that adding clarification to a post was anything other than adding clarification to a post.
Why would I want to censor any news story? I never referenced the article you posted or said it should be removed or edited.
By your narrative it seems that anyone who makes a sarcastic statement is a communist.
Also I don't know where you get the idea I get a daily covid scare from MSM.
I go to restaurants when I feel like eating out, etc. no fear, I wear a mask to protect others, personal distance and sanitize or wash my hands frequently to protect myself.
I am not afraid of the vaccines being distributed or any other outlandish theories circulating about covid.
I don't ever recall anyone in person or online stating that I should seek professional mental help, can you say the same?
Sorry Pete.

I was referring to post #6.

Then you say this in this post....."I respect freedom of speech and democracy, I wasn't aware that adding clarification to a post was anything other than adding clarification to a post".

Like always, emotions can run high when one cant determine the tone of a post or text. I took it as an attempt of censoring my topic to run with a different narrative to fit a different ideology.

I apologize if I misunderstood your intention. (y)

As you can imagine, and I sometimes make a point of saying this, words get lost in meaning and sometimes dont mean what they are meant to mean. Sorry Pete.
 

sp free

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Murdered by the state.


Seals continue to clap and demand not only their shots, but YOUR shots.
 

shack

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Maybe you can explain the deaths AFTER the shot? Key word being, explain???
The key intellectual thought is that no cause of death has been determined. A person with a modicum of intelligence knows that I don't know, you don't know and neither does anyone else here. The difference is that you've drawn a conclusion based on an assumption. Did you examine the body?
 
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squeezer

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Simple fact - every single person who has ever received a vaccination either has died or will die someday. Damn vaccines! We'd live forever if it wasn't for them!
No sorry, I disagree with you. Once I get my vaccine I'll be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings on a single bound and of course a big S on my chest! Since some live in a delusional realm, I want to be part of the clique TOO if SH, CM opens the door of the realm and be all-inclusive and let me in.
 
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shack

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No sorry, I disagree with you. Once I get my vaccine I'll be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings on a single bound and of course a big S on my chest! Since some live in a delusional realm, I want to be part of the clique TOO if SH, CM opens the door of the realm and be all-inclusive and let me in.
Instead of the "S", that's already in use, how about this as your logo on your uniform?
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smallhatchet

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. The infamous 99.7% survival rate is one such statistic twisted grossly out of context and placed into a binary - you either die or you're perfectly fine, with no middle ground.
You're right. It is a twisted stat. Its actually 99% survival rate.: https://www.krtv.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-19-chronic-medical-conditions-and-survival-rates

COVID-19 Survival Rates: Taken from the CDC

  • Age 0-19: 99.997%
  • Age 20-49: 99.98%
  • Age 50-69: 99.5%
  • Age 70+: 94.6%
I get the info off tv just like you.

Can you tell me why I should be afraid or wear a mask because someone I never met is in an END OF LIFE CARE facility???
 

smallhatchet

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The key intellectual thought is that no cause of death has been determined. A person with a modicum of intelligence knows that I don't know, you don't know and neither does anyone else here. The difference is that you've drawn a conclusion based on an assumption. Did you examine the body?
They died of something. Im sure the EXPERTS can figure that out?

I want to know what they died rom AFTER the vaccine. That simple.
 

shack

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They died of something. Im sure the EXPERTS can figure that out?

I want to know what they died rom AFTER the vaccine. That simple.
You should do what I'm doing. Wait for those experts to tell us why they died instead of us making assumptions. It's that simple.
 

Valcazar

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Again, your discussion of survival rates assumes a binary (either a person dies or everything's A-OK) and is therefore unhelpful and offers no point of discussion since you won't acknowledge that this issue can't be discussed as a binary.
It also comes from a September estimate by the CDC that posted 5 scenarios with differing numbers.
 

sp free

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Simple fact - every single person who has ever received a vaccination either has died or will die someday. Damn vaccines! We'd live forever if it wasn't for them!
Simple fact - every single person who has ever contracted the coronavirus either has died or will die some day. Damn coronaviruses! We’d live forever if it wasn’t for them!
 
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