Another Canada Post strike

[Insidious Von]

According to The Toronto Sun, the postal union issued a statement on Saturday saying it was inviting Canada Post to a fair, final, and binding arbitration process to resolve the dispute.

I can't see why Canada Post wouldn't agree to that, unless they are hoping that the union will full-on strike, and the government will, after a few weeks or so, force them back to work.

The Toronto Sun is a farce rag.

 

[xmontrealer]

The Toronto Sun is a farce rag.

For me it's my morning candy with breakfast. Early morning home delivery, politics (with a conservative bias), pro-Semitic, anti-Hamas, sports, entertainment news, etc. What more can I ask for at breakfast?

I have a New York Times digital subscription for up-to-the-minute news and more serious content, with a "left" bias, plus a weekly subscription to The New Yorker magazine for interesting articles, anti-Trump political comments, and of course the great cartoons.

And TERB for the really important stuff lol

 

[Skoob]

Canada Post wants the government to force the union to vote on it's "Final Offer".

The government said it won't force a vote, and stated that the two parties must come to a mutual agreement.

That hasn't worked since the strike last year, and isn't working now.

Imho the government doesn't want to force anything more at this point, as it doesn't want to appear to be the "bad guy" to labour.

Instead they'll sit back and allow the issue to fester until it does become a full-blown strike, with unfortunate consequences for Canadian individuals and businesses.

Cowards!

Last time they went on strike, most companies had to scramble. Since then, they've worked on moving away from dependencies on Canada Post. Most of the revenue comes from companies. That revenue is not coming back.

So every time Canada Post threatens to go on strike, they are only contributing to their own demise.

These union hacks live in a bubble and feel entitled to more and more regardless of how well the company is doing.

Canada can't afford to give Canada Post $1 billion+ loan to stay afloat only for them to keep losing money every year.

 

[xmontrealer]

Last time they went on strike, most companies had to scramble. Since then, they've worked on moving away from dependencies on Canada Post. Most of the revenue comes from companies. That revenue is not coming back.

So every time Canada Post threatens to go on strike, they are only contributing to their own demise.

These union hacks live in a bubble and feel entitled to more and more regardless of how well the company is doing.

Canada can't afford to give Canada Post $1 billion+ loan to stay afloat only for them to keep losing money every year.

That may be so, but I consider some basic model of a relatively inexpensive, yet timely, postal service to be essential for many individual Canadians and small businesses.

Perhaps reduced delivery days to each address, but at least once a week, if not twice.

They should be considered an "essential service", and not permitted to strike. Binding arbitration being the only acceptable alternative.

 

[Skoob]

That may be so, but I consider some basic model of a relatively inexpensive, yet timely, postal service to be essential for many individual Canadians and small businesses.

Perhaps reduced delivery days to each address, but at least once a week, if not twice.

They should be considered an "essential service", and not permitted to strike. Binding arbitration being the only acceptable alternative.

Binding arbitration to keep an organization that has not adapted with the times is a waste of time, money and effort.
They face a dilemma: wanting to keep a large unionized workforce employed while demand dwindles. That doesn't work in most other businesses and doesn't work here.

The government would be better off subsidizing private mail delivery than lending money we don't have to keep an inefficient dinosaur alive.

 

[Frankfooter]

For me it's my morning candy with breakfast. Early morning home delivery, politics (with a conservative bias), pro-Semitic, anti-Hamas, sports, entertainment news, etc. What more can I ask for at breakfast?

I have a New York Times digital subscription for up-to-the-minute news and more serious content, with a "left" bias, plus a weekly subscription to The New Yorker magazine for interesting articles, anti-Trump political comments, and of course the great cartoons.

And TERB for the really important stuff lol

You need a Canadian source for news for balance.

 

[xmontrealer]

Binding arbitration to keep an organization that has not adapted with the times is a waste of time, money and effort.
They face a dilemma: wanting to keep a large unionized workforce employed while demand dwindles. That doesn't work in most other businesses and doesn't work here.

The government would be better off subsidizing private mail delivery than lending money we don't have to keep an inefficient dinosaur alive.

In the situation you envision, what should the charge be for the private mail delivery of a standard No.10 envelope of usual weight, to be sent anywhere in Canada with, say, a 7 to 10 day delivery standard, which is what Canada Post can usually do today for $1.23?

And how much money do you think the government would have to subsidize a private mail service to maintain that rate?

 

[Skoob]

In the situation you envision, what should the charge be for the private mail delivery of a standard No.10 envelope of usual weight, to be sent anywhere in Canada with, say, a 7 to 10 day delivery standard, which is what Canada Post can usually do today for $1.23?

And how much money do you think the government would have to subsidize a private mail service to maintain that rate?

The amount of small-large businesses using Canada post has been dwindling for many years. They've already found alternatives that work for them, especially after being held hostage by the last strike.
Sending paper mail is bad for the environment so it needs to be drastically reduced.
Even if Canada post subsidizes the cost of postage at the current rate, it would still be saving money by shedding all of the operational costs.

 

[xmontrealer]

The amount of small-large businesses using Canada post has been dwindling for many years. They've already found alternatives that work for them, especially after being held hostage by the last strike.
Sending paper mail is bad for the environment so it needs to be drastically reduced.
Even if Canada post subsidizes the cost of postage at the current rate, it would still be saving money by shedding all of the operational costs.

You didn't mention how important Canada Post is to individual Canadians, especially seniors.

Nor did you attempt to estimate how much the subsidies would cost the government. Of course how could you know how much that would be?

As far as paper mail and the environment, the junk mail I receive far outweighs any actual important mail I receive or send, although I imagine it helps to mitigate the operating costs of Canada Post.

Let's agree to disagree...

 

[Skoob]

You didn't mention how important Canada Post is to individual Canadians, especially seniors.

Nor did you attempt to estimate how much the subsidies would cost the government. Of course how could you know how much that would be?

As far as paper mail and the environment, the junk mail I receive far outweighs any actual important mail I receive or send, although I imagine it helps to mitigate the operating costs of Canada Post.

Let's agree to disagree...

Seniors will be gone soon. So if we're planning for the future, it doesn't include them. Sad but true.
I don't accept homework from strangers on the internet so if you want hard numbers, you will need to research that on your own.

Here's my math:
Losing $1 billion per year means demand and operational efficiencies aren't there and no business would survive in the same scenario.

No one needs or relies on paper flyers aside from seniors who are either not capable or unwilling to change with the times. See my first point.

 

[K Douglas]

It's the individual Banks that set the limits for E-transfers; the limit has to be high enough in order to render cheques obsolete.

I can send an E-transfer up to $7,500/day with BMO, which should be sufficient for most payments to Contractors.

CIBC, by comparison, has the ceiling set at $3,000/day.

Interac should force all participants in the E-transfer service to have one standardized set of limits.

I'm with RBC they won't go beyond $3K either. I asked for a $5K limit and they refused. I've been banking with them for 25+ years.

 

[Vinson]

Is the postal strike threat over? I was going to order something.

 

[xmontrealer]

I'm with RBC they won't go beyond $3K either. I asked for a $5K limit and they refused. I've been banking with them for 25+ years.

I may be wrong, but I believe each Canadian bank sets an e-transfer limit that applies to all its clients.

If there are exceptions for high net-worth individual or business clients I'm not aware of that...

 

[xmontrealer]

Is the postal strike threat over? I was going to order something.

Far from over. The government won't force the union to vote on Canada Post's "Final Offer" from last week, and won't force Canada Post to agree to the union's request for "fair and binding arbitration".

So I think a full-blown strike is inevitable, and the government won't do anything to stop it, except perhaps to allow a full strike to run for 4 or more weeks, and then force the workers back to work again for another few months or so.

Taking us back to the same stalemate.

In other words, kicking the can down the road...

 

[Vinson]

Far from over. The government won't force the union to vote on Canada Post's "Final Offer" from last week, and won't force Canada Post to agree to the union's request for "fair and binding arbitration".

So I think a full-blown strike is inevitable, and the government won't do anything to stop it, except perhaps to allow a full strike to run for 4 or more weeks, and then force the workers back to work again for another few months or so.

Taking us back to the same stalemate.

In other words, kicking the can down the road...

Last time I ordered some USB sticks, the tracking showed they came to Canada and then they disappeared. Pieces of shit

 

[xmontrealer]

Today I used UPS to send a 9" by 12" envelope to Winnipeg, totalling less than 200 grams.

The Canada Post cost would have been $4.29 plus GST. The lowest cost option from UPS was $36.10 plus GST.

Speed was not of the essence , but assurance of a reasonable delivery time was, and I couldn't allow it to be lost by Canada Post in the current turmoil.

So I ate the extra cost. As I have said before, for individuals, especially seniors, Canada Post is essential, in terms of convenience, reasonable service, and much lower cost than courier services.

Let's hope the situation resolves soon...