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Yes you are correct. My dilema is the Nexus One (GSM-Sim) vs The Incredible (better UI) CDMA. I really like the Incedible UI. I have been with Verizon forever but would go to T-Mobile for the Nexus One. But I have 2 weeks to figure that out. Thanks.

PS-My sister just switched to the iPhone because her son bought it for her. So she goes from Verizon to AT&T. First call on her new iPhone to me-dropped. I wouldn't even consider using AT&T. Just hope she never has an emergency in a dead zone!!
 

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lol now you're nitpicking. i already have a bunch of SD cards used in various devices. they are pretty cheap and getting cheaper under $20 for 8 gig.
I don't understand how getting to use all your internal memory for whatever you want is a bad thing. For all the things that Android fanboys are critical of Apple for, they're awfully quick to let shit like this slide by.

How are you enjoying all that flash content on your iPhone/pad lmao all those FREE games and 75% of the web video content. now to me THAT would be a deal breaker
For video, 2/3 of web video is iPad Ready. Since the iPhone uses the same browser and codecs, I'm good to go. http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/13/web-video-ipad/

For games, I have my ps3. But if I really want to game on my iPhone on the web, HTML5 has me covered. http://code.google.com/p/quake2-gwt-port/

And all those pesky flash ads that use overlays, you won't be missed. ;)

btw how many frikkin apps do you need or use? most iphone users i know use them for games....how silly is that?
Wait a minute. You used flash games on the web as a example of a dealbreaker for you. Then insult iPhone users who use their phone to play games? Consistency isn't your strong suit, I presume?
 

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Yes you are correct. My dilema is the Nexus One (GSM-Sim) vs The Incredible (better UI) CDMA. I really like the Incedible UI. I have been with Verizon forever but would go to T-Mobile for the Nexus One. But I have 2 weeks to figure that out. Thanks.

PS-My sister just switched to the iPhone because her son bought it for her. So she goes from Verizon to AT&T. First call on her new iPhone to me-dropped. I wouldn't even consider using AT&T. Just hope she never has an emergency in a dead zone!!
NP.

The UI on the Incredible is called HTC Sense. A bunch of their phones use it, both Android and Windows Mobile.

If you're on Verizon, stay with them and go with the Incredible. It has more storage (8 GB over 512 MB + 4 GB SD on the Nexus one), better camera (8 MP over 5 MP) and a much better touchscreen panel.

HTC Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWPsM2EdXPw

Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsSUqkh8pcI

And Apple really needs to get the iPhone on more carriers. I've heard from too many people how godawful AT&T is.
 

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I don't understand how getting to use all your internal memory for whatever you want is a bad thing. For all the things that Android fanboys are critical of Apple for, they're awfully quick to let shit like this slide by.
as i stated it's not a biggie for me as i have lots of available storage via sd cards. i'm sure i can find a use for the additional unused internal memory
For video, 2/3 of web video is iPad Ready. Since the iPhone uses the same browser and codecs, I'm good to go. http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/13/web-video-ipad/
Hmmmm this is quite contradictory, but i trust this report more as it seems to be much more comprehensive.


Steve Jobs is one-quarter of the way to victory in his increasingly heated take-no-prisoners assault on Adobe Flash.

According to a survey (http://blog.mefeedia.com/html5-video-stats) conducted by video aggregator MeFeedia (http://www.mefeedia.com/), 26 per cent of all web video is now available for playback with the HTML5 <video> tag and the H.264 codec. That means that 26 per cent of web video is now viewable on the iPhone/Pod/Pad. And, of course, Steve Jobs asserts that it's the most important (http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/) 26 per cent.

MeFeedia's CEO Frank Sinton tells The Reg that the survey was a large one, of content from over 30,000 sources. Sites in the MeFeedia Video Index include Hulu, YouTube, Vimeo and DailyMotion, plus music videos from Vevo and MTV, and news from AP, ABC, CBS, and CNN. source http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/16/mefeedia_html5_survey/print.html

26% is a large jump from the 10% in January, and yes H.264 is now being uploaded at a rate of approx. 50% of new videos

For games, I have my ps3. But if I really want to game on my iPhone on the web, HTML5 has me covered. http://code.google.com/p/quake2-gwt-port/
Quake is a cool game. I agree for gaming it's with my ps3

Wait a minute. You used flash games on the web as a example of a dealbreaker for you. Then insult iPhone users who use their phone to play games? Consistency isn't your strong suit, I presume?
Nooo i used no flash as a deal breaker. i love Hulu and YouTube and i visit Facebook too.
i'm only making fun of people using their iPhones predominantly for gaming, to me thats silly


I see on the "Ready for iPAd" page it's still only 34 websites listed lol only about 5 i visit on a regular basis
http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/ it's been that way for awhile now. don't they ever update the page?
 

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as i stated it's not a biggie for me as i have lots of available storage via sd cards. i'm sure i can find a use for the additional unused internal memory
I hope Android doesn't have similar limits for video, photos and music.

Hmmmm this is quite contradictory, but i trust this report more as it seems to be much more comprehensive.


Steve Jobs is one-quarter of the way to victory in his increasingly heated take-no-prisoners assault on Adobe Flash.

According to a survey (http://blog.mefeedia.com/html5-video-stats) conducted by video aggregator MeFeedia (http://www.mefeedia.com/), 26 per cent of all web video is now available for playback with the HTML5 <video> tag and the H.264 codec. That means that 26 per cent of web video is now viewable on the iPhone/Pod/Pad. And, of course, Steve Jobs asserts that it's the most important (http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/) 26 per cent.

MeFeedia's CEO Frank Sinton tells The Reg that the survey was a large one, of content from over 30,000 sources. Sites in the MeFeedia Video Index include Hulu, YouTube, Vimeo and DailyMotion, plus music videos from Vevo and MTV, and news from AP, ABC, CBS, and CNN. source http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/16/mefeedia_html5_survey/print.html

26% is a large jump from the 10% in January, and yes H.264 is now being uploaded at a rate of approx. 50% of new videos
Both reports show HTML5 on a upward trend. This is good. Flash is bloated and closed. It won't be missed.

Nooo i used no flash as a deal breaker. i love Hulu and YouTube and i visit Facebook too. i'm only making fun of people using their iPhones predominantly for gaming, to me thats silly
Youtube and Facebook work fine on my iPhone. There's a YouTube app that plays the same content as the website. Anytime I click on a YouTube video, it launches that app. The Facebook app also plays video. Hulu is a moot point for me since I'm outside of USA. I believe there's apps for Hulu on iPhone and iPad.

I see on the "Ready for iPAd" page it's still only 34 websites listed lol only about 5 i visit on a regular basis
http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/ it's been that way for awhile now. don't they ever update the page?
I'm sure Apple has specific guidelines that sites have to meet to get placement. Similar to getting featured status on the Android Marketplace.
 

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That is an insult. Apple is for hippies...Android is not...
Hipsters. Not hippies. Hippies wouldn't stand for all of Apple's ridiculous restrictions. Hipsters don't mind them, since they lack critical thinking skills.
 

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Mega Dittos on that!.....
 

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Google Is Leapfrogging Apple (from Gizmodo)

Google is done playing catch-up. Today they're setting the agenda: With Android Froyo, Google TV, mobile ads and streaming media, Google isn't just matching Apple—they're taking the lead.

The Google I/O conference has been dizzyingly dense, with announcements from nearly every corner of Google's ever-expanding apparatus. The meatiest news comes direct from Google's most intense battlefronts: Android Froyo (version 2.2); a bevy of clever new cloud services; and a mobile ad platform paired with Google TV marching into battle with competing products from Microsoft, and much more pointedly, Apple.

Google's last 18 months have been a period of frantic catchup, in which we saw Android reach feature parity with iPhone OS, the Android Market explode, and Google's confidence slowly build. Apple had been setting the terms of the battle, baiting Google into action. The competition was fierce, but the fight was on Apple's terms.

Google's tired of that. In the space of two days, they've leapfrogged Apple spectacularly: They've matched Apple's mobile OS in predictable ways, and embarrassed it in others (Flash on mobiles may not be as horrific as Apple has implied); they've invaded the living room with a dedication and vigor that makes Apple TV look like a jokey experiment; they've steamrolled the mobile ad market with as solid a platform as Apple's and, more importantly, hundreds of thousands of advertisers; they've taken massive steps into the cloud, and into streaming—the kind of stuff nerds talk about, but didn't expect to see so soon.

the rest of the article http://gizmodo.com/5543794/google-is-leapfrogging-apple
 

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Google Is Leapfrogging Apple (from Gizmodo)

Google is done playing catch-up. Today they're setting the agenda: With Android Froyo, Google TV, mobile ads and streaming media, Google isn't just matching Apple—they're taking the lead.

The Google I/O conference has been dizzyingly dense, with announcements from nearly every corner of Google's ever-expanding apparatus. The meatiest news comes direct from Google's most intense battlefronts: Android Froyo (version 2.2); a bevy of clever new cloud services; and a mobile ad platform paired with Google TV marching into battle with competing products from Microsoft, and much more pointedly, Apple.

Google's last 18 months have been a period of frantic catchup, in which we saw Android reach feature parity with iPhone OS, the Android Market explode, and Google's confidence slowly build. Apple had been setting the terms of the battle, baiting Google into action. The competition was fierce, but the fight was on Apple's terms.

Google's tired of that. In the space of two days, they've leapfrogged Apple spectacularly: They've matched Apple's mobile OS in predictable ways, and embarrassed it in others (Flash on mobiles may not be as horrific as Apple has implied); they've invaded the living room with a dedication and vigor that makes Apple TV look like a jokey experiment; they've steamrolled the mobile ad market with as solid a platform as Apple's and, more importantly, hundreds of thousands of advertisers; they've taken massive steps into the cloud, and into streaming—the kind of stuff nerds talk about, but didn't expect to see so soon.

the rest of the article http://gizmodo.com/5543794/google-is-leapfrogging-apple
That was a good article, I'm rooting for Google to run fast on several fronts as I think Apple has had no real competition pushing it over the last several years.

It will be interesting to see what Apple does, if anything, about Apple TV vs Google TV. They'll have to move fast or they'll end up conceding the space. Some cool apps and an HDMI interface on the Mac Mini and they'd be back in the fight... but we'll see.

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Android 2.2 allows you to store apps on SD cards now removing that so called border ;)



All Android phones only use internal storage for apps? Droid limited to 256MB from http://www.9to5mac.com/android-rom-install-256-droid
yeah but in the case of news readers and caching they still stay local... big road block we have come across with developing our apps for our site on the droid. Still doesn't work in 2.2 ...
 

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really? depends i guess on what seeding group your in.....
you must be in a seeding group more important than the attendees of the conference and the tech writers, because only a few have received the update to their google nexus phones.
next to get it are HTC Evo 4g which was handed out to all attendees of the conference.....it came with 2.1

so i must say, if you have 2.2 on a Milestone, i'm impressed. maybe you're someone i should know ;)

Hopefully your version was the OTA one


[Update] Froyo May Have Been Launched Prematurely
by Quentyn Kennemer on May 24th, 2010


[Update]: There’s been some clarification on what happened with the file (which is being considered “unofficial” and shouldn’t have even been downloadable in the first place) that was a supposed Android 2.2 update. QuietlyCoding – whose findings you can read here – spoke with Google to determine that even though the update name for Froyo might be the same as what’s been received OTA, it’s still possible that whatever it contained was not intended for installation. If you do decide to flash the file (or stick with the file you’ve already flash), then you do it at your own risk, as usual.
Everyone was excited for the prospect of being able to attempt to apply the Android 2.2 update to their Nexus One over the weekend, but it looks like a gun may have been jumped just a bit too soon. Shortly after the download link for Froyo went live, Google pulled it down without any trace of it ever existing on their servers.

Since then, users have uploaded the files to several of their own servers for everyone to download (nothing truly gets deleted from the internet). Some users are having a world of trouble after installing the update, now, and it may be because that version of Froyo is unfinished and was unintended for consumer devices.

The biggest issues appear to be battery life, the lack of certain “advertised” features (although Google did state that not all of the features shown at Google I/O would be enabled in Froyo off the bat), and voice controls not working. Whether or not you are experiencing these issues, it’s apparent that things aren’t as they should be for a lot of people. The fact that Google yanked the download link might not be related to the issues (or may not necessarily mean that it was indeed an unfinished Froyo), but there’s definitely room to check in with them and see what’s going on. We’ll let you know if we’ve heard anything back from them worth communicating.

source http://phandroid.com/2010/05/24/froyo-may-have-been-launched-prematurely/
 

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Apple's five stages of Google grieving
By Joe Wilcox | Published May 24, 2010, 12:52 PM

Grief typically follows any breakup, whether by the living separating or death taking one away. Apple's response to the disillusion of its Google relationship is near textbook case of the five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Apple is slowly coming to terms with life after Google, and like any grieving the process hasn't been easy.

Denial. Two years before Apple released iPhone, Google bought Android. From the August 2005 acquisition, it was clear that Google would make mobile a priority, and surely that a phone would follow. "We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business," Apple CEO Steve Jobs told employees during a March meeting. Google released Android OS about 18 months after iPhone launched in June 2007, but the product was foreseeable. Jobs' retort is classic denial behavior

Jobs' claim that Apple "did not enter the search business" is another form of denial. Google's search business is all about monetization through advertising. Apple's iAd is such potential advertising competition to Google that last week the US Federal Trade Commission cleared way for Google's AdMob acquisition; before Apple announced iAd, the agency indicated the acquisition could be blocked.

Anger. Jobs' temper is renown around Silicon Valley. Apple's anger against Google is simply undeniable; there are so many examples. Jobs has personally attacked Google in e-mails to Apple customers and partners and through public statements. In March, Jobs reportedly said that Google's oft-quoted "You can make money without doing evil" is "bullshit." Some of those angry statements exhibit deep denial, too, such as Jobs' early April assertion that: "Search is not happening on phones." Who is he fooling but himself?

Apple's HTC lawsuit is a form of repressed anger. While Apple sued HTC, the claims are really about Android and Google. Can you say passive-aggressive behavior?

Bargaining. Google's advances on Apple extend beyond the phone. There is the browser; according to Net Applications, Chrome usage now exceeds Safari. Google released Chrome about the same time as Android, rapidly iterating on the browser -- now approaching version 5 -- for technology developed first by Apple; Chrome is based on WebKit. In a clear swipe against Chrome innovations, Apple bargained with developers during the iPhone 4 OS announcement, on April 8, with new Safari features that extended some of Chrome's best capabilities. Chrome sandboxes tabs to improve performance and to minimize crashes' effects. Apple will go further with kernel-level multi-processing.

Jobs' "Thoughts on Flash" is more bargaining. While seemingly all about Adobe, Apple's anti-Flash campaign is as much about Google. As I explained last month, Apple and Google are taking two different, fundamentally clashing approaches to the mobile Web. Apple's approach is more applications-centric, while Google puts greater emphasis on the browser. Google supports Flash, which is coming with Android 2.2 (some people have it already; you lucky bastards). Google arguably will embrace the real Web, not the one Jobs is bargaining to makeover.

Depression. Jobs has been remarkably prolific over the last couple months responding to customer and developer e-mails. It's commendable that such a prominent CEO is taking such an active role in such an unorthodox way. C`mon, how often do you read about the chief executives of GM, Microsoft or Pepsico responding to so many customer or partner e-mails? But the timing indicates post-Google breakup depression. Jobs' prolific responses started after Schmidt resigned from Apple's board (late summer 2009) and Apple-Google sniping reached public levels (early 2010). Actually, the e-mails are mixed denial, anger and depression.

Acceptance. The e-mails also signal Apple's acceptance -- that Google is a competitor in mobile operating systems and Web browsers, and that the two companies will clash over customers, developers and other partners. In response to a May 22nd e-mail about last week's Gizmodo article asserting that "Google is leapfrogging Apple," Jobs reportedly responded: "Not a chance!" Google is buddy no more, but the enemy. If there was a sixth stage to grief, betrayal, Apple could be said to exhibit it, too

Apple's HTML 5 push is another form of acceptance, but more self-destructive. While Apple positions HTML 5 as an alternative to Flash, the technology looks to benefit Google much more than Apple. Already Google has used HTML 5 to circumvent Google Voice's prohibition from the iTunes App Store

source http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apples-five-stages-of-Google-grieving/1274719028

I found it quite interesting that Google acquired Android 2 years before the iPhone hit the market
obviously they had a clear vision of mobile computing a long time ago
 

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More proof that Apple is running scared. and you can thank Google for that
Walmart to sell Apple's 16GB iPhone 3GS for $97

Walmart has revealed that it will begin selling the 16GB iPhone 3GS for $97 this week, more than $100 off of Apple's $199 suggested retail price.

Starting Tuesday, the lower capacity iPhone 3GS will cost roughly the same amount as Apple's 8GB iPhone 3G. Earlier Monday, a new rumor suggested Apple could be discontinuing the iPhone 3G, which was originally released in 2008.

According to CNNMoney, the new deal from Walmart still requires a two-year contract with carrier AT&T. The U.S. price reduction comes in advance of Memorial Day weekend.

"It is our commitment to always lead on price," said Mehrdad Akbar, senior category director for Walmart.

The move comes less than two weeks before Apple is expected to introduce its next-generation handset, when Chief Executive Steve Jobs delivers the opening keynote for the annual Worldwide Developers Conference on June 7.

The price reduction could be permanent. One analyst said Monday they believe Apple will formally reduce the price of the iPhone 3GS to $99 once the new model is released. Last year, after the iPhone 3GS was released, Apple reduced the price of the 8GB iPhone 3G to $99.

The partnership between Apple and Walmart started in 2005 when the retailer began a pilot program selling Apple's short-lived HP-branded 20GB iPod. Over time, the nation's largest retail chain began carrying Apple's full line of iPods, and in 2008 some of its stores began selling the iPhone 3G. Recently, company officials said they hope to sell the iPad by the end of 2010.

source http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/24/walmart_to_sell_apples_16gb_iphone_3gs_for_97.html
 

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More proof that Apple is running scared. and you can thank Google for that
Walmart to sell Apple's 16GB iPhone 3GS for $97

Walmart has revealed that it will begin selling the 16GB iPhone 3GS for $97 this week, more than $100 off of Apple's $199 suggested retail price.

Starting Tuesday, the lower capacity iPhone 3GS will cost roughly the same amount as Apple's 8GB iPhone 3G. Earlier Monday, a new rumor suggested Apple could be discontinuing the iPhone 3G, which was originally released in 2008.

According to CNNMoney, the new deal from Walmart still requires a two-year contract with carrier AT&T. The U.S. price reduction comes in advance of Memorial Day weekend.

"It is our commitment to always lead on price," said Mehrdad Akbar, senior category director for Walmart.

The move comes less than two weeks before Apple is expected to introduce its next-generation handset, when Chief Executive Steve Jobs delivers the opening keynote for the annual Worldwide Developers Conference on June 7.

The price reduction could be permanent. One analyst said Monday they believe Apple will formally reduce the price of the iPhone 3GS to $99 once the new model is released. Last year, after the iPhone 3GS was released, Apple reduced the price of the 8GB iPhone 3G to $99.

The partnership between Apple and Walmart started in 2005 when the retailer began a pilot program selling Apple's short-lived HP-branded 20GB iPod. Over time, the nation's largest retail chain began carrying Apple's full line of iPods, and in 2008 some of its stores began selling the iPhone 3G. Recently, company officials said they hope to sell the iPad by the end of 2010.

source http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/24/walmart_to_sell_apples_16gb_iphone_3gs_for_97.html
Now you're just being an idiot..... the new iPhones will be announced June 7th.... they're clearing inventory.....

This doesn't look like running scared.... and that doesn't include the iPad that was released in Q2.... http://static.arstechnica.com/05-17-2010/1q10smartphones.png

You'll notice the only two up are Apple and Android.... I'd say RIM and M$ have more to worry about.....

Again, I'm happy to see Google moving aggressively as I think the consumer wins with competition, but to intercept every news item as a referendum on Google's dominance is a bit childish.

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Again, I'm happy to see Google moving aggressively as I think the consumer wins with competition, but to intercept every news item as a referendum on Google's dominance is a bit childish.
c'mon now i'm just having some fun. I did point out that google is pushing the issue which is win win for everone.
don't be so sensitive. i see you as being somewhat level headed throughout this
I'm sure A LOT of people will be very happy with an Apple iPhone 3gs for 100 bucks except for the dropped calls part from the carrier

no need for name calling lol

Apple fans just get so sensitive. ;)


just remember as google sales grew, Apple refuted the claim saying it was because of price reductions.....interesting no?
 

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c'mon now i'm just having some fun. I did point out that google is pushing the issue which is win win for everone.
don't be so sensitive. i see you as being somewhat level headed throughout this
I'm sure A LOT of people will be very happy with an Apple iPhone 3gs for 100 bucks except for the dropped calls part from the carrier

no need for name calling lol

Apple fans just get so sensitive. ;)


just remember as google sales grew, Apple refuted the claim saying it was because of price reductions.....interesting no?
I just don't see this as exclusively Apple vs Google..... you're ignoring RIM and M$ - both of which have more to lose (RIM their installed base, M$ a chance at a new growing market).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple go right over the top of Google with video-chat on the phone they release in early June... and you'll see another rush to the Apple Store / Best Buy / AT&T by MILLIONS of customers.

Another metric that I think would be useful (other than OS marketshare) is the size/value of the ecosystem surrounding the platform. What has differentiated the iPhone / iPod Touch is the MASSIVE ecosystem of applications and media that are available on them (much of it free, as a nod to our geezer who doesn't like to pay for intellectual property). Another built in advantage the iPad has in the tablet wars (if another vendor can actually release a product that people will actually buy and there are tablet wars) is access to that ecosystem.

I'm also very interested in the products that will come out of the Sony partnership on Google TV.... I'm hoping that Sony will release a PS3 upgrade that will allow MILLIONS of PS3 users to add Google TV as a firmware upgrade..... There are 35-40M PS3 currently attached to HD TVs... would seem a good place to start - I have two myself.

This is consistent with my view: http://technologizer.com/2010/05/21/android-vs-iphone-its-war-and-thats-great/

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J on another note does anyone else see history repeating itself? When the first mac came out Apple was the thing to get...Jobs got greedy (my way or the highway attitude), along came MS and down Apple went.

Now again we have the Iphone, Ipad and Apple is again the thing to get. Jobs is getting greedy again and now there's Google to challenge them. The tide is turning, slowly but it is turning. People are getting rid of their Iphones in favour of Android because they don't have to put up with Apple's restrictions.
Very true. But APPLE is much more entrenched this time around : a lot more brand users and IMO their No. 1 weapon ... apps. I think iPhone will be pretty safe in terms of keeping their market share.

An Android phone would be something I'd switch to though if I decide to ditch Nokia, which has been doing more than a good job for my mobile needs.
 

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ANDROID'S BOOMING ADAPTABILITY
Look at some of the most recent Android-specific stats:

• Some 100,000 Android-based phones are activated every day.

• It's on 60 devices from 21 OEM makers on 59 carriers in 48 countries.

• There are 50,000 apps in the Android Market Place.

• In the first quarter, Android was the second-best-selling smartphone OS in the U.S., after RIM's BlackBerry.


source http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2010/tc20100525_084092.htm
 
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