Anarchy in Toronto??
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Could it happen to us?
I believe so. It is easier to be civil when there is law and order. But when the structure or society collapses... I believe then you see the worst in people. Remember that British "horror" movie 28 days later? The latter half was actually was a comment on how once "civilized" people can denegrate into whatever when the rules are thrown out.
It is hard to compare a blackout vs a flood of that porportion. There was very little violence and looting in Toronto. But then again there was very little of that in NYC also. While there is no power, structures are intact and the knowledge that power will be restored calms frayed nerves. With this flood... everything is destroyed, authority is minimal and the people are scattered about and hope is lost.
However I do think that certain places can react differently to the same situation. Places with more poverty and violence will react differently than places where things are not so bad. An example is the Kobe earthqauke in Japan where despite thousands killed and hundreds of thousands homeless, there was practically no looting and no violence. HOw would TO act? I don't think it would be as orderly.
Again though I think this flood is worse than an earthquake. The entire city of N.O. is practically washed away.
I believe so. It is easier to be civil when there is law and order. But when the structure or society collapses... I believe then you see the worst in people. Remember that British "horror" movie 28 days later? The latter half was actually was a comment on how once "civilized" people can denegrate into whatever when the rules are thrown out.
It is hard to compare a blackout vs a flood of that porportion. There was very little violence and looting in Toronto. But then again there was very little of that in NYC also. While there is no power, structures are intact and the knowledge that power will be restored calms frayed nerves. With this flood... everything is destroyed, authority is minimal and the people are scattered about and hope is lost.
However I do think that certain places can react differently to the same situation. Places with more poverty and violence will react differently than places where things are not so bad. An example is the Kobe earthqauke in Japan where despite thousands killed and hundreds of thousands homeless, there was practically no looting and no violence. HOw would TO act? I don't think it would be as orderly.
Again though I think this flood is worse than an earthquake. The entire city of N.O. is practically washed away.
Not to mention adoriableFuzzy Thumper said:In the Czech Republic? In Germany???
You so SILLY....
We should not forget that the large-scale looting is happening, or at least being reported to the world a few days after the actual hurricane. The blackout in Toronto did not damage or destroy basic infrastructure; it just shut it down for a bit. There was a resonable expectation that eventually the power would come back on and life would be normal again which is exactly what happened.
Katrina on the other hand has submerged much of New Orleans - these poor people don't even have drinking water. Under those circumstances, desperate measures are somewhat warranted. Note though, that I am not condoning the breaking of the law and shooting at rescure helicopters etc. But I am saying that if there's a corner store / supermarket nearby with stuff in it, I wouldn't have a problem with people taking said stuff if they really needed it to survive. Personally I would probably take some bottled water and canned goods, but I would very likely go back after the fact (when things have normalized), find the store manager and pay for the stuff I took.
On the whole though I like to think the people of Toronto or any other major Canadian city would not break down the way we've seen things in New Orleans. There would be breaking of the law by some but I don't think we'd need to impose martial law to restore basic order.
Katrina on the other hand has submerged much of New Orleans - these poor people don't even have drinking water. Under those circumstances, desperate measures are somewhat warranted. Note though, that I am not condoning the breaking of the law and shooting at rescure helicopters etc. But I am saying that if there's a corner store / supermarket nearby with stuff in it, I wouldn't have a problem with people taking said stuff if they really needed it to survive. Personally I would probably take some bottled water and canned goods, but I would very likely go back after the fact (when things have normalized), find the store manager and pay for the stuff I took.
On the whole though I like to think the people of Toronto or any other major Canadian city would not break down the way we've seen things in New Orleans. There would be breaking of the law by some but I don't think we'd need to impose martial law to restore basic order.
Actually, it is funny how everyone is mentioning that the rules no longer apply, or the breakdown of the rules. Sorry folks, but my parents taught me right from wrong and it isn't the government, the police or the ramifications of my actions that prevent me from doing wrong, it is ME that keeps me from doing wrong.
Something we all have to understand that I don't believe we would have the same problems that N.O. is having simply due to the fact that even our poor (although not as large a populace as N.O. has) mostly have a semblance of right and wrong.
The only breakdown in society that occurs during a disaster such as the hurricane is the fact that the authorities are spread even thinner than usual and are too busy saving lives to enforce society's rules. IMHO the rescue helicopterx should have an Apache gunship accompanying them. Let's see those animals that are shooting at the rescuers take a pot shot at them then.
Actually strange, it isn't racism that he is stating. He is stating a fact. If NOLA is one of the poorest cities in the US, and the overwelming majority of the city is black, then the majority of the offenders WILL (just by fact of the numbers involved) will be black. I can pretty much guarentee that the majority of the offenders/looters/crazies are the poor, I really can't see any wealthy people who lived in the garden district looting a shoe store.....Though he does shoot himself in the foot when he bases his findings on the fact that we have fewer blacks (which isn't necessarily true).
Something we all have to understand that I don't believe we would have the same problems that N.O. is having simply due to the fact that even our poor (although not as large a populace as N.O. has) mostly have a semblance of right and wrong.
The only breakdown in society that occurs during a disaster such as the hurricane is the fact that the authorities are spread even thinner than usual and are too busy saving lives to enforce society's rules. IMHO the rescue helicopterx should have an Apache gunship accompanying them. Let's see those animals that are shooting at the rescuers take a pot shot at them then.
Actually strange, it isn't racism that he is stating. He is stating a fact. If NOLA is one of the poorest cities in the US, and the overwelming majority of the city is black, then the majority of the offenders WILL (just by fact of the numbers involved) will be black. I can pretty much guarentee that the majority of the offenders/looters/crazies are the poor, I really can't see any wealthy people who lived in the garden district looting a shoe store.....Though he does shoot himself in the foot when he bases his findings on the fact that we have fewer blacks (which isn't necessarily true).
Huh? All the footage I've seen on TV is of black gangs looting, raping and pillaging. Even black cops at walmart going 'shopping'. The whites have all left, the ones left are being threatened and beaten by black gangs (not white gangs).strange1 said:
It has nothing to do with economics, it is opportunism, just like the LA riots or Watts or even Haiti.
I can't believe you are so quick to defend and lay blame on 'economics' these savages who are raping and killing children and shooting at rescue workers. They live for this chaos, it can be seen every day in Western Africa.
Well we do have fewer blacks, although I don't know the exact percentage, the last figure I've seen is around 5%. 5% of 2 million people is 100,000. New Orleans with a population of 1.4 million and 80% black would be closer to 1,000,000 blacks. Just the facts here.tboy said:
Actually, the black population in N.O. is more like 67.3%.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/22/2255000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/22/2255000.html
The excuse of "just stating facts" doesn't hold; he is making a direct comparison between two sets of facts. He could have said that NO holds Americas main seafood industry or is a major tourist center but he doesn't. He is making the connection of poor+black=criminal. It is quite clear that he feels that race and economics are the factors causing the criminal behaviour. It is also quite clear from his posts that he feels blacks are less able to control their criminal impulses than whites. His references to them being "gangs" and "corrupt cops" and limiting his examples to black riots show a predjudiced predisposition. His conclusion of "them" being savages, just like in west Africa is blatent.
There is no other conclusion that can be drawn from gypsy's comments other than the fact that he holds racist attitudes towards blacks.
There is no other conclusion that can be drawn from gypsy's comments other than the fact that he holds racist attitudes towards blacks.
I would say that I hold a realist attitude towards blacks. They seem to blame everybody but their selves for problems within their community.strange1 said:
You are ignoring what is happening, that is called being ignorant. The overwhelming displaced majority population of New Orleans right now is black and and they are burning down the city, raping children, killing stranded white tourists, looting, shooting at resue workers, this is chaos.
None of this happened in New York during 9-11, or in any other recent incident I can think of outside of Africa or Haiti.
It seems like this sort of thing only happens where there is a high concentration of poor blacks.Fuzzy Thumper said:
If there was total anarchy in Toronto I would definitely loot all my favorite stores. Holt Renfrew, FCUK, Guess, etc...
I would also make my way up to exotic car dealerships and hope that I can steal a car or two. I'd also take food and water, but maybe also a nice big screen TV.
Hey if everyone is doing it including the police, then I'm totally down for it
Ciao,
VT
I would also make my way up to exotic car dealerships and hope that I can steal a car or two. I'd also take food and water, but maybe also a nice big screen TV.
Hey if everyone is doing it including the police, then I'm totally down for it
Ciao,
VT
I'm sure they would be a lot cheaper. It might cost you a bottle of water and a ham sandwich.
Also, if theres no showers and clean water, the girl and possibly the customer wouldn't smell the greatest.
Ciao,
VT
Also, if theres no showers and clean water, the girl and possibly the customer wouldn't smell the greatest.
Ciao,
VT
There has been reports of many murders, including 2 babies with their throats slit and a 7 year old girl raped and killed. Also, a police officer said he saw a fellow officers body riddled with bullet holes and another officer with his head blown off. Do you think the guys who committed these murders will be caught too? I highly doubt it.lickrolaine said:
There are people looting, then there are the gangs that are looting, raping and killing people at will. Even though the National Guard is in the city, they have already had some gunfights. Last night there were reports that more than 2 dozen rounds were fired off in the historic French Quarter. I'm sure there are at least 5 to 10,000 armed gangstas that will try their hardest to fuck up the National Guard.
Ciao,
VT
