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Butler1000

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Well, we can agree on something. Trumpists should stay home in November. Who said it's better to say nothing and let people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt? It wasn't Tucker Carlson, of that I'm sure...
I think you will be looking at some staying home, some only voting down ballot, some changing votes to Trump, for various reasons. Foreign military aid is a very large issue now. Its changing votes. Economy is too. You are down there, you hear the conversations.
 

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I can agree with saying both are too old to be running but the US is in danger with Trump behind the wheel as opposed to Biden who is a good man who has a better hand at the helm than a lying POS wannabe dictator.

Depends on who you talk to. Muslims don't think so, young people don't, he is losing black men, Hispanics(more men), and even some urban dwellers due to immigration policy.
 

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They did four years ago as well. See how people feel about Smelvis once he has a conviction or two under his belt and is possibly sitting in jail 🤡 :poop: ...
And in return if the Dems convention in Chicago goes badly in the streets I think it will also be a vote changer. It already is on the college campuses. And in Dearborn. And in Minnesota.
 

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Depends on who you talk to. Muslims don't think so, young people don't, he is losing black men, Hispanics(more men), and even some urban dwellers due to immigration policy.
In November if you were a Muslim, would you actually want your vote to risk bringing in Trump who YOU KNOW as a Muslim will complicate your life not to mention want to deport you and your entire family??
 

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Stern gave him a free pass and didn't hit him hard. He can state what he wants but he played ball for the opportunity.

And that's 2 of the TEN TOTAL for his Presidency. Not to mention lack of press conferences.

This is a loss leader. Facts don't lie.
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In November if you were a Muslim, would you actually want your vote to risk bringing in Trump who YOU KNOW as a Muslim will complicate your life not to mention want to deport you and your entire family??
His immigration policy is hard on refugees/illigals but not on merit based immigration. I think African Americans and Hispanics who are citizens are leaning more towards him. Inner city neighborhoods are pissed govt is spending more on helping the new illigal immigrants than their neighborhoods. The current Hispanic population is worried their jobs will be now harder to maintain with a huge influx of blue collar workers now in the country.
 
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In November if you were a Muslim, would you actually want your vote to risk bringing in Trump who YOU KNOW as a Muslim will complicate your life not to mention want to deport you and your entire family??

Yes they will. Just not voting can easily cost him Michigan.


 

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His immigration policy is hard on refugees/illigals but not on merit based immigration. I think African Americans and Hispanics who are citizens are leaning more towards him. Inner city neighborhoods are pissed govt is spending more on helping the new illigal immigrants than their neighborhoods. The current Hispanic population is worried their jobs will be now harder to maintain with a huge influx of blue collar workers now in the country.
This is from 2021 and thus we cannot see what he will do except go based on his campaign statements. If one is an immigrant, one should fear Trump and especially Latinos and Muslims or anyone who comes from what Trump views as a shithole country. His maga base is feverishly wanting to see massive deportations and Trump will try and show he is the man to get it done.

 

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Yes they will. Just not voting can easily cost him Michigan.

It is smart for Muslim Arabs to keep claiming they will not support the DEMS for the elections because of the Gaza war to put pressure but in the end they know where their toast will be buttered or burned badly depending on their vote. At the same time, Biden also has a Jewish base to worry about so he must walk the fine line carefully.

Then of course, let's not forget abortion, that's right. That little fetus that is coming back to haunt the repugs will once again poke it's little head out and spit in Trumps eye.
 
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This is from 2021 and thus we cannot see what he will do except go based on his campaign statements. If one is an immigrant, one should fear Trump and especially Latinos and Muslims or anyone who comes from what Trump views as a shithole country. His maga base is feverishly wanting to see massive deportations and Trump will try and show he is the man to get it done.

We have had four years of Trump already so the whole he’s going to go crazy is a little far fetched. When he was in office, there weren’t many wars, deportations were less than under Obama due to checks and balances against what Trump wanted to do with his policies. It was relatively calm in America with the exception of media losing their minds over his excessive tweeting.
 
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Butler1000

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It is smart for Muslim Arabs to keep claiming they will not support the DEMS for the elections because of the Gaza war to put pressure but in the end they know where their toast will be buttered or burned badly depending on their vote. At the same time, Biden also has a Jewish base to worry about so he must walk the fine line carefully.

Then of course, let's not forget abortion, that's right. That little fetus that is coming back to haunt the repugs will once again poke it's little head out and spit in Trumps eye.
I think you are mistaken. Look at Frankie. Did you ever expect him to say he is prepared to have Trump in office over Biden? There is real anger in Michigan and other enclaves. Where 10000 votes matter.

Hillary took votes for granted too.
 

bver_hunter

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The Stern one was roundly mocked as softball city. And if you look at the actual numbers he is at the lowest in 100 years of any POTUS. You change change the facts.
Not sure what you are referring to with what you mentioned above. I am guessing that it is the polls or popularity rating.
However, Trump is unique to be the first ex-President to be criminally charged since 1872. The previous charge was something far more innocuous such as horse speeding!!
However, if you meant to discuss the polls then:

 

bver_hunter

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We have had four years of Trump already so the whole he’s going to go crazy is a little far fetched. When he was in office, there weren’t many wars, deportations were less than under Obama due to checks and balances against what Trump wanted to do with his policies. It was relatively calm in America with the exception of media losing their minds over his excessive tweeting.
Listen, irrespective of who was going to be in office from 2020, we know that Putin had planned this senseless war. It was timed as such not to impact The FIFA World Cup in 2018 and then on the 2022 Winter Olympics in China. It was coincidental that Putin attended the Winter Games in China and came to an agreement with China with regards to "NATO Expansion" as well as recognizing Taiwan as an integral part of China. Not surprising that the Invasion of Ukraine occurred shortly after these games!!
 

Butler1000

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Not sure what you are referring to with what you mentioned above. I am guessing that it is the polls or popularity rating.
However, Trump is unique to be the first ex-President to be criminally charged since 1872. The previous charge was something far more innocuous such as horse speeding!!
However, if you meant to discuss the polls then:

It is in actual numbers of interviews and press conferences he has made himself available for. The least of any president in 100 years.
 

bver_hunter

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It is in actual numbers of interviews and press conferences he has made himself available for. The least of any president in 100 years.
Well Trump always put his foot in his mouth during his interviews such that:

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

Former president made almost 21 untrue statements a day while in office, analysis suggests


No wonder that he got turfed out of office after his first term!!
 

Butler1000

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Well Trump always put his foot in his mouth during his interviews such that:

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

Former president made almost 21 untrue statements a day while in office, analysis suggests


No wonder that he got turfed out of office after his first term!!
Nice deflection. Glad to know you can't refute the facts.
 

bver_hunter

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Nice deflection. Glad to know you can't refute the facts.
Well butler are you feathers ruffled when the truth about Trump's lies are revealed? You time and time again try to find some irrelevant fault with Biden, though Trump's charades are far worse!!
 

Butler1000

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Well butler are you feathers ruffled when the truth about Trump's lies are revealed? You time and time again try to find some irrelevant fault with Biden, though Trump's charades are far worse!!
Its irrelevant the POTUS won't speak before the press and answer tough questions about policy and governance?

You do realize both Biden and Trump can be shitty at the same time right?
 

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Hungary did a great job building a border fence that stopped the migrants that flooded Germany and Europe.
 

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We have had four years of Trump already so the whole he’s going to go crazy is a little far fetched. When he was in office, there weren’t many wars, deportations were less than under Obama due to checks and balances against what Trump wanted to do with his policies. It was relatively calm in America with the exception of media losing their minds over his excessive tweeting.
He fired the checks and balances. He's vowed to fire everyone but his stooges. He's going to turn the DOJ into and instrument of hassling his enemies like a secret police. He'll sell secrets to the Russians, destroy NATO, turn the pacific over to the chinese. He inherited a good economy from Obama, then the tax cuts boosted it sugar-high style and it was declining before it imploded. No world leader handled the pandemic worse. Every single person who worked with him won't endorse him and say he's dangerously ignorant and unfit for the office.
 
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