AM I WRONG ABOUT THIS?

[lessjamie7]

I believe the black culture in the west is a non-pre-meditated white social construct, an un-natural byproduct born out of centuries of racism and oppression. It's like a bear riding a bike at the circus, it's not natural. Western black culture is more of a defense mechanism than a naturally developed organic intuitive social construct. What would black communities look like if there had never been white people? If you think they would look the same? then I am wrong.

Am I wrong?

LJ

 

[The Oracle]

 

[K Douglas]

I have to admit that I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'social constructs'. Race and gender are apparently social constructs too. The anti-science movement we are seeing is part and parcel of the domination of the social sciences over the past few generations. Its leading us down a path of catastrophic implosion. Unfortunately our leaders are too blind to see it.

 

[jcpro]

I have to admit that I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'social constructs'. Race and gender are apparently social constructs too. The anti-science movement we are seeing is part and parcel of the domination of the social sciences over the past few generations. Its leading us down a path of catastrophic implosion. Unfortunately our leaders are too blind to see it.

Just a bunch of people who have never faced real adversity, looking to justify their existence.

 

[luvyeah]

What explains the underdevelopment of many African countries?

 

[basketcase]

What explains the underdevelopment of many African countries?

Do you want a serious discussion?

Obviously every society has its flaws and things like war and slavery are common to every culture. That said, colonisation played a major role in imposing a new cultural and social structure, often based on creating artificial divisions between the population. Colonisation at its heart involved stripping resources from countries so those countries were not using that wealth to build their society. After countries gained Independence, the power structure was either a continuation of colonial rule by the leaders the colonisers installed or by people who violently overthrew them. In addition, without the time needed to establish a society where responsible government was endorsed, many leaders simply used their power to enrich themselves.

Some countries have leadership that is reinvesting in their country but any country that has a resource they can profit from still have to deal with international corporations that like colonisers are simply interested in profit.

In really simple terms, it's hard to catch up in a race when you start several hundred years apart from the competition who keeps changing the rules of the race.

 

[basketcase]

In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, sociologist working at the US Department of Labor, is...

Wait, a white politician born in the 1920's had a racialized view of black people? Shocking.

 

[y2kmark]

Black Lives Matter but Black Families Matter even more. Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, LeBron James will never say this. Shame.

What a load of BULL SHIT. You can't have read The Truths We Hold by Kamala Harris or you wouldn't be spouting such DRIVEL...

Oh, and next time take it to the Politics section...

 

[Darts]

That said, colonisation played a major role in imposing a new cultural and social structure, often based on creating artificial divisions between the population.

The question posed by the OP is what would be the case if black man and white man never met?

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, sociologist working at the US Department of Labor, issued what came to be known as the Moynihan Report. The conclusion was as follows: The destruction of the Negro society will continue as long as the destruction of the Negro family is not stopped. What he referred to as destruction of the Negro family was 25% of black children born to single women. After the left and right threw arrows in either direction, the report was shelved and nothing was done.

If Moynihan, who later became a US Senator from New York, referred to 25% of black children born to single mothers in 1965 as a destruction, what word would describe 82% of black children born to single mothers today? Implosion is not even apt enough.

This. A person's ability to achieve success in life is largely determined by the time they enter elementary school. Without a loving, stable, structured and secure home life, so many kids are set up for failure through no fault of their own.

 

[MindJohn]

I believe the black culture in the west is a non-pre-meditated white social construct, an un-natural byproduct born out of centuries of racism and oppression. It's like a bear riding a bike at the circus, it's not natural. Western black culture is more of a defense mechanism than a naturally developed organic intuitive social construct. What would black communities look like if there had never been white people? If you think they would look the same? then I am wrong.

Am I wrong?

LJ

That is akin to saying that black culture exists for no other reason, and in no other way, than because you and others claim/agree that it exists.


A bear riding a bike at the circus would be "objective reality". Whether either is natural or not isn't relevant to your claim about a social construct.

 

[MindJohn]

Do you want a serious discussion?

Obviously every society has its flaws and things like war and slavery are common to every culture. That said, colonisation played a major role in imposing a new cultural and social structure, often based on creating artificial divisions between the population. Colonisation at its heart involved stripping resources from countries so those countries were not using that wealth to build their society. After countries gained Independence, the power structure was either a continuation of colonial rule by the leaders the colonisers installed or by people who violently overthrew them. In addition, without the time needed to establish a society where responsible government was endorsed, many leaders simply used their power to enrich themselves.

Some countries have leadership that is reinvesting in their country but any country that has a resource they can profit from still have to deal with international corporations that like colonisers are simply interested in profit.

In really simple terms, it's hard to catch up in a race when you start several hundred years apart from the competition who keeps changing the rules of the race.

Well stated.

And somewhere in that lies a parallel with what those who settled in North America from Europe did to the earliest inhabitants of North America.

 

[TeeJay]

The question posed by the OP is what would be the case if black man and white man never met?

Despite the rhetoric of slave nations the fact is the majority of black population never saw a white man
Slavers cherry picked the coastal nations
At best 10% of the African continent had contact with whites

We see just how underdeveloped / uneducated the rest of the continent is (by far the richest / best developed nations are those under white or arab rule) and its pretty obvious what would have happened had the 2 never met

 

[Gallen21]

In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, sociologist working at the US Department of Labor, issued what came to be known as the Moynihan Report. The conclusion was as follows: The destruction of the Negro society will continue as long as the destruction of the Negro family is not stopped. What he referred to as destruction of the Negro family was 25% of black children born to single women. After the left and right threw arrows in either direction, the report was shelved and nothing was done.

If Moynihan, who later became a US Senator from New York, referred to 25% of black children born to single mothers in 1965 as a destruction, what word would describe 82% of black children born to single mothers today? Implosion is not even apt enough.

Racism is a problem that needs to be addressed. No question. But the most serious problem afflicting blacks today in the US, and Canada, is single parentage. Black leaders know this. Most black athletes, including the most prominent LeBron James, are victims of this phenomenon. Yet none mentions it. A black, who was president of the United States for eight years and a victim himself saved by his white grandparents, said nothing about this and did nothing. There is now a black vice presidential candidate abandoned by his black father but rescued by her middle class mom and she says nothing about this and will do nothing about it if her ticket wins.

Over 7000 blacks are murdered in the US annually by other blacks not because of racism but due to predominantly to implosion of the black family. The rampant shootings by blacks going on in the GTA is primarily due to absence of black fathers.

Black Lives Matter but Black Families Matter even more. Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, LeBron James will never say this. Shame.

Khufu, Oracle, Dart, Leafs fan, and all my conservative buddies, I have a theory about this. It is just my observation. Please tell me if I am wrong.

Black women are very masculine. They are very jealous of women of other races who are more attractive and feminine than them, that's why they whine and complain so much.

Black men have very strong sexual urges. They want to reproduce very often and they have the ability to do it because of their God-given masculine big and strong bodies that women are attracted to. But they have all these babies and they don't care about them, they just let the internet, movies and video games raise their kids. Therefore we have what we have today.

Is my theory right or wrong?

 

[anon1]

What explains the underdevelopment of many African countries?

We see just how underdeveloped / uneducated the rest of the continent is (by far the richest / best developed nations are those under white or arab rule

Henry Louis Gates,

Africa's Great Civilizations

Henry Louis Gates, Jr. takes a new look at the history of Africa.

www.pbs.org

 

[lessjamie7]

That is akin to saying that black culture exists for no other reason, and in no other way, than because you and others claim/agree that it exists.


A bear riding a bike at the circus would be "objective reality". Whether either is natural or not isn't relevant to your claim about a social construct.

Well, it is not my intention to suggest that, my comment was one of compassion and empathy for people in a difficult situation with a long difficult lineage. I think my comment is still valid though the context it is given by a reader is subjective.

As far as objective reality is concerned? my comment may not even exist, even though you think it does,

a growing number of people argue that there is no such thing as objective reality and that everything is subjective, and that anything can be questioned or legitimately disagreed with, even facts that used to have a near-universal agreement.

This raises the question about who is right about the nature of reality if reality even exists. Is there an objective reality that we are all a part of? Does objective reality truly exist?

Now leave me in peace I am going to have an imaginary coffee.

LJ



LJ

 

[lomotil]

Khufu, Oracle, Dart, Leafs fan, and all my conservative buddies, I have a theory about this. It is just my observation. Please tell me if I am wrong.

Black women are very masculine. They are very jealous of women of other races who are more attractive and feminine than them, that's why they whine and complain so much.

Black men have very strong sexual urges. They want to reproduce very often and they have the ability to do it because of their God-given masculine big and strong bodies that women are attracted to. But they have all these babies and they don't care about them, they just let the internet, movies and video games raise their kids. Therefore we have what we have today.

Is my theory right or wrong?

In the America, Canada and the Caribbean "black" communites, actually anywhere where colonialism and slavery exists. the descendants have significant amounts of European DNA mixed in. The white fathers did not look after or acknowledge their progeny either. These problems do not exist to nearly the same extent in Africa. In America and Canada a unique often self defeating situation exists among blacks who were descendants of slaves and mixed with European DNA.

 

[Gallen21]

I am not a CONSERVATIVE! I am an INDEPENDENT. I form an opinion on every issue based on facts not on preconceived notions. And BTW, the author of the report Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a Democrat from New York. That opinion of yours is infantile garbage.

Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

 

[Gallen21]

In the America, Canada and the Caribbean "black" communites, actually anywhere where colonialism and slavery exists. the descendants have significant amounts of European DNA mixed in. The white fathers did not look after or acknowledge their progeny either. These problems do not exist to nearly the same extent in Africa. In America and Canada a unique often self defeating situation exists among blacks who were descendants of slaves and mixed with European DNA.

Okay, some white fathers neglect their children too. How about this: if you don't have time to raise your kids and teach them good values, you shouldn't get someone pregnant. If your children commit crimes against other people, you should get charged. Just like when dogs attack other people, the owners get charged. It's the same thing. That will make people think twice about reproducing and bringing more human beings into this over-populated, crappy world.

 

[lomotil]

Okay, some white fathers neglect their children too. How about this: if you don't have time to raise your kids and teach them good values, you shouldn't get someone pregnant. If your children commit crimes against other people, you should get charged. Just like when dogs attack other people, the owners get charged. It's the same thing. That will make people think twice about reproducing and bringing more human beings into this over-populated, crappy world.

There is still personal responsibility for one's actions. Society may sympathize and theorize about how one childhood causes someone to be an adult criminal but the courts still convict criminals based on their actions not their on what may or may not have happened in their childhood or if they are drug addicts etc...

The parents of adult children cannot be held legally responsible for the crimes that these adult children commit. There are many cases of adults that on paper were born with the proverbial silver spoon in their mouths, who on paper growing up "had it all" and still turned out to criminals and the converse is true.