All prostitution = violence against women

[toughb]

Just as an aside.

Didn't Celeste go out to Vancouver?

...

 

[amber-jade]

You mean women like this??!! ;-)

yup, just like that

 

[Major Major]

And lots of them are in Sweden. Prostitution is illegal in Sweden but only johns can be convicted. It is not illegal for women to offer services, only for men to buy.

that makes no sense

 

[djk]

Have you ever noticed that a very strong majority of ultra feminists who rant about rape and prostitution are ones you'd never to pay to fuck, or do it pro bono in the first place?

Of course. Because they do not receive the benefits of male attention, they want to control and regulate male behaviour.

 

[The Bandit]

If they have pimps then yes it might be violence against women, but if they do the job of their own free will...not a chance.

 

[djk]

that makes no sense

Not really. They're just attacking the demand side of "the problem".

Also no surprise as Sweden is extremely leftist. Don't they have a feminist party which is entrenched in the government?

 

[Don]

Not really. They're just attacking the demand side of "the problem".

Also no surprise as Sweden is extremely leftist.

Yeah but isn't it usually the more liberal a country, the more accepting of prostititution (and sex in general)? Like the USA is more conservative so their laws on prostitution are a lot more strict...

 

[mandrill]

Much of the other Scandinavian countries too. For a place that is commonly admired for being forward thinking, this attitude is disappointing.

Scandinavia hasn't been in the forefront of the sexual revolution for many, many years. The larger Western countries overtook it 30 years ago. Even in the mid 80's, a buddy of mine who had moved there complained that porn was illegal and unobtainable.

 

[Aardvark154]

Yeah but isn't it usually the more liberal a country, the more accepting of prostititution (and sex in general)? Like the USA is more conservative so their laws on prostitution are a lot more strict...

No, two sides of the same coin.

 

[Major Major]

Yeah but isn't it usually the more liberal a country, the more accepting of prostititution (and sex in general)? Like the USA is more conservative so their laws on prostitution are a lot more strict...

either which way you go it doesnt fair well...too far left or too far right.

The closer you come to the centre the better it is

 

[Cinema Face]

These women all seem to have some serious issues with men. It's a vicious circle because if they hate men, then men will hate them back. They will have problems with men their whole life which justifies their hatred.

It's sad to go through life hating half the human population.

I also think it's tragic when young boys here their hate filled message. Children are sensitive and it will make them feel inferior for who they are. That's not right.

 

[Thunderballs]

I'm sure we have all seen the counterpart of the feminazi, the ultra-chauvinist male. Fortunately the bulk of reasonable society falls somewhere between these two misguided polar opposites.

 

[burt-oh-my!]

yup, just like that

Her sign should just have the word "Some" at the beginning, in which case a truer sign I will never have seen.

 

[Aardvark154]

I'm sure we have all seen the counterpart of the feminazi, the ultra-chauvinist male. Fortunately the bulk of reasonable society falls somewhere between these two misguided polar opposites.

However, over the past four decades I haven't seem (at least on this continent) political parties that have elected officials who support the "Ultra-Chauvinist Male" perspective (women shouldn't be able to vote, work, be able to own property) there are, however, any number who from their actions and statements seeming support the "Feminazi" perspective - to name but one Senator Cantwell of Washington.

 

[alexmst]

This has taken effect in some countries like Sweden, where a guy caught with a prostitute is prosecuted in the same section of the criminal code as a guy who beats his wife. By the way the only thing that is being raped when I see an SP is my bank account

I guess that is why so many Swedish SPs do tours to places like Dubai lol.

 

[smylee52]

And lots of them are in Sweden. Prostitution is illegal in Sweden but only johns can be convicted. It is not illegal for women to offer services, only for men to buy.

Sure, blame the victim (LOL) .

 

[BohemianArtist]

It's the classic 1980's Radical Feminism position. Those women believed that our current civilization as a whole was just a vicious and ruthless system of exploiting and oppressing women. I once had a Women's Studies Prof with saggy tits and a crew cut explain to me that ALL hetero sex is rape because women cannot validly consent to any form of sexual contact with men due to the inherent duress caused by sexist oppression in our society.

While few people take this crap seriously, the proponents of these views are entrenched in the grant-giving mechanisms of our universities and arts councils and thus, these opinions survive and are duly trotted out as "respectable" and "thought-provoking" whenever the subject arises.

That Prof is definitely way out there. You could argue, in an equally insane manner, that no male can validly consent to sex with a woman because his biological drives are too strong. But that is one of the functions of universities and the arts - to provide a forum for intellectual debate of seemingly insane ideas. As with Marxism, you can sometimes glean a few useful concepts from a wildly radical position.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

I wonder if it was anything to do with this event...

Buying Sex Is Not a Sport is a grassroots campaign to raise awareness and effect change around sex trafficking and the 2010 Olympic games

January 30, 8pm
DOWNTOWN TORONTO
Walmer Road Baptist Church
188 Lowther Ave.
Toronto, ON M5R 1E8

Panelists:
Trisha Baptie, EVE (Exploited Voices Educating)
Michelle Miller, REED (Resist Exploitation, Embrace Dignity)
Cherry Smiley - AWAN (Aboriginal Womens' Action Network)

http://www.embracedignity.org/?page=buyingsexisnotasport

I was gonna attend to hear what they had to say and voice my opinion... but was ill and unable to go...
As far as I understood though their main concern is human/sexslave trafficking not SW in general... (maybe I misunderstood)... wish I could have been there.

 

[genintoronto]

It's the classic 1980's Radical Feminism position. Those women believed that our current civilization as a whole was just a vicious and ruthless system of exploiting and oppressing women. I once had a Women's Studies Prof with saggy tits and a crew cut explain to me that ALL hetero sex is rape because women cannot validly consent to any form of sexual contact with men due to the inherent duress caused by sexist oppression in our society.

While few people take this crap seriously, the proponents of these views are entrenched in the grant-giving mechanisms of our universities and arts councils and thus, these opinions survive and are duly trotted out as "respectable" and "thought-provoking" whenever the subject arises.

The anti-prostitution and "all prostitution is violence against women" position is indeed very much influenced by the 80's Radical Feminist philosophy and activist movement. But while Radical Feminists were once entrenched in many North American Women's Studies programs, they have never been more than a whisper in the grant-giving mechanisms of universities, and have now mostly disappeared from most major Women/Gender Studies programs.

On another note, it is always interesting to me, in an ironic kinda way, to see that people disagreeing with Radical Feminists so often feel the need to make a point of saying how unattractive they are. Interestingly, there have been a few threads in the past here about Victor Malarek's writing on prostitution -- who is also very much influenced by a Radical Feminist approach -- and while the consensus was that he is full of shit (more or less), I can't recall anyone saying that he's an unattractive, balding guy with a double chin.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Yep, that is why they should give it away for free