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Alberta’s future in Canada depends on Carney’s greatest fear: Trump or Climate Change

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We find it endlessly fascinating that most Canadians believe they live in a representative democracy, where aspiring candidates engage in authentic politicking to earn their place in office. So accustomed are Canada’s power brokers to getting their way, they rarely bother to cover their tracks. A careful reading of the notoriously pliant Canadian press makes anticipating future events in the country surprisingly straightforward.

Back in December, when Pierre Poilievre was given better than 90% odds of replacing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau—and Mark Carney was still just an uncharismatic banker few had heard of—we engaged in some not-so-speculative dot-connecting and correctly predicted Carney’s rise to the top spot. Our interest was driven by the notoriously rocky relationship between Ottawa and the Province of Alberta, home to one of the world’s largest hydrocarbon reserves, and how Carney’s rise might be a catalyst for resetting Canada’s energy trajectory. In a follow-up article titled “The Fix Is In,” we laid out a few more predictions:

“Here’s how the play is likely to unfold in the weeks and months ahead: Carney will be elected Prime Minister on April 28 by a comfortable margin; [Alberta Premier Danielle] Smith will trigger a constitutional crisis, providing cover for Carney to strike a grand bargain that finally resolves longstanding tensions between the provinces and Ottawa; and large infrastructure permitting reform will fall into place. Protests against these developments will be surprisingly muted, and those who do take to the streets will be largely ignored by the media. The entire effort will be wrapped in a thicket of patriotism, with Trump portrayed as a threat even greater than climate change itself. References to carbon emissions will slowly fade…

In parallel, we expect Trump and Carney to swiftly strike a favorable deal on tariffs, padding the latter’s bona fides just as his political capital will be most needed.”


The votes have barely been counted, yet the next moves are already unfolding…

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says she’ll make it easier for citizens to initiate a referendum on the province’s future in Canada, after warning that a Liberal win in Monday’s election could spur a groundswell of support for Alberta separatism. Smith said on Tuesday that a newly tabled elections bill will give everyday Albertans a bigger say in the province’s affairs.

(We’re giving) Albertans more ways to be directly involved in democracy, and to have their say on issues that matter to them,’ Smith told reporters in Edmonton.

If passed, the new law would dramatically lower the number of signatures needed to put a citizen-proposed constitutional referendum question on the ballot, setting a new threshold of 10 per cent of general election turnout — or just over 175,000, based on Alberta’s last provincial election in 2023.


…exactly to plan:

US President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is looking to make a trade deal and will visit the White House within the next week. Trump said he congratulated Carney on his election victory when the Canadian leader called on Tuesday.

‘He called me up yesterday – he said let’s make a deal,’ Trump told reporters at the White House after a televised Cabinet meeting
.”

Remember where you read it first.

 

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We find it endlessly fascinating that most Canadians believe they live in a representative democracy, where aspiring candidates engage in authentic politicking to earn their place in office. So accustomed are Canada’s power brokers to getting their way, they rarely bother to cover their tracks. A careful reading of the notoriously pliant Canadian press makes anticipating future events in the country surprisingly straightforward.

Back in December, when Pierre Poilievre was given better than 90% odds of replacing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau—and Mark Carney was still just an uncharismatic banker few had heard of—we engaged in some not-so-speculative dot-connecting and correctly predicted Carney’s rise to the top spot. Our interest was driven by the notoriously rocky relationship between Ottawa and the Province of Alberta, home to one of the world’s largest hydrocarbon reserves, and how Carney’s rise might be a catalyst for resetting Canada’s energy trajectory. In a follow-up article titled “The Fix Is In,” we laid out a few more predictions:

“Here’s how the play is likely to unfold in the weeks and months ahead: Carney will be elected Prime Minister on April 28 by a comfortable margin; [Alberta Premier Danielle] Smith will trigger a constitutional crisis, providing cover for Carney to strike a grand bargain that finally resolves longstanding tensions between the provinces and Ottawa; and large infrastructure permitting reform will fall into place. Protests against these developments will be surprisingly muted, and those who do take to the streets will be largely ignored by the media. The entire effort will be wrapped in a thicket of patriotism, with Trump portrayed as a threat even greater than climate change itself. References to carbon emissions will slowly fade…

In parallel, we expect Trump and Carney to swiftly strike a favorable deal on tariffs, padding the latter’s bona fides just as his political capital will be most needed.”


The votes have barely been counted, yet the next moves are already unfolding…

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says she’ll make it easier for citizens to initiate a referendum on the province’s future in Canada, after warning that a Liberal win in Monday’s election could spur a groundswell of support for Alberta separatism. Smith said on Tuesday that a newly tabled elections bill will give everyday Albertans a bigger say in the province’s affairs.

(We’re giving) Albertans more ways to be directly involved in democracy, and to have their say on issues that matter to them,’ Smith told reporters in Edmonton.

If passed, the new law would dramatically lower the number of signatures needed to put a citizen-proposed constitutional referendum question on the ballot, setting a new threshold of 10 per cent of general election turnout — or just over 175,000, based on Alberta’s last provincial election in 2023.


…exactly to plan:

US President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is looking to make a trade deal and will visit the White House within the next week. Trump said he congratulated Carney on his election victory when the Canadian leader called on Tuesday.

‘He called me up yesterday – he said let’s make a deal,’ Trump told reporters at the White House after a televised Cabinet meeting
.”

Remember where you read it first.

Alberta separation is overblown. Just a small % of hotheads.
 

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We find it endlessly fascinating that most Canadians believe they live in a representative democracy, where aspiring candidates engage in authentic politicking to earn their place in office. So accustomed are Canada’s power brokers to getting their way, they rarely bother to cover their tracks. A careful reading of the notoriously pliant Canadian press makes anticipating future events in the country surprisingly straightforward.

Back in December, when Pierre Poilievre was given better than 90% odds of replacing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau—and Mark Carney was still just an uncharismatic banker few had heard of—we engaged in some not-so-speculative dot-connecting and correctly predicted Carney’s rise to the top spot. Our interest was driven by the notoriously rocky relationship between Ottawa and the Province of Alberta, home to one of the world’s largest hydrocarbon reserves, and how Carney’s rise might be a catalyst for resetting Canada’s energy trajectory. In a follow-up article titled “The Fix Is In,” we laid out a few more predictions:

“Here’s how the play is likely to unfold in the weeks and months ahead: Carney will be elected Prime Minister on April 28 by a comfortable margin; [Alberta Premier Danielle] Smith will trigger a constitutional crisis, providing cover for Carney to strike a grand bargain that finally resolves longstanding tensions between the provinces and Ottawa; and large infrastructure permitting reform will fall into place. Protests against these developments will be surprisingly muted, and those who do take to the streets will be largely ignored by the media. The entire effort will be wrapped in a thicket of patriotism, with Trump portrayed as a threat even greater than climate change itself. References to carbon emissions will slowly fade…

In parallel, we expect Trump and Carney to swiftly strike a favorable deal on tariffs, padding the latter’s bona fides just as his political capital will be most needed.”


The votes have barely been counted, yet the next moves are already unfolding…

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says she’ll make it easier for citizens to initiate a referendum on the province’s future in Canada, after warning that a Liberal win in Monday’s election could spur a groundswell of support for Alberta separatism. Smith said on Tuesday that a newly tabled elections bill will give everyday Albertans a bigger say in the province’s affairs.

(We’re giving) Albertans more ways to be directly involved in democracy, and to have their say on issues that matter to them,’ Smith told reporters in Edmonton.

If passed, the new law would dramatically lower the number of signatures needed to put a citizen-proposed constitutional referendum question on the ballot, setting a new threshold of 10 per cent of general election turnout — or just over 175,000, based on Alberta’s last provincial election in 2023.


…exactly to plan:

US President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is looking to make a trade deal and will visit the White House within the next week. Trump said he congratulated Carney on his election victory when the Canadian leader called on Tuesday.

‘He called me up yesterday – he said let’s make a deal,’ Trump told reporters at the White House after a televised Cabinet meeting
.”

Remember where you read it first.


Trump can screw with our economy, however Carney can destroy our economy and our country by pursuing a net zero agenda

‘He called me up yesterday – he said let’s make a deal,’
Here is the deal
1. eliminate all Tariffs including all softwood lumber, and supply management (dairy/ pork/ chicken) , auto, auto parts, steel, aluminum etc >>> Full blown Free Trade
2. We rebuild our military
3. Trump shuts his gob about Canada as the 51st state. it is not going to happen
4. repeal bill c-69 and get the pipeline built-to ensure Canadian Unity
5. lower corp tax rates and forget about carbon taxes on industry
6. reduce the size of govt - get out of the way


we can compete with the Americans

Carney copied much of Pierre Ps platform in order to get elected
Now just copy the Pierre P platform to get our economy growing
 
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Trump can screw with our economy, however Carney can destroy our economy and our country by pursuing a net zero agenda



Here is the deal
1. eliminate all Tariffs including all softwood lumber, and supply management (dairy/ pork/ chicken) , auto, auto parts, steel, aluminum etc
2. We rebuild our military
2. repeal bill c-69 and get the pipeline built
3. lower corp tax rates and forget about carbon taxes on industry
4. reduce the size of govt - get out of the way
5. Trump shuts his gob about Canada

we can compete with the Americans

Carney copied much of Pierre Ps platform in order to get elected
Now just copy the Pierre P platform to get our economy growing
Fuck that on our food supply. I don't want their shitty food and bad inspection in our chain. It's also a national security issue. We can't trust them.
 

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Fuck that on our food supply. I don't want their shitty food and bad inspection in our chain. It's also a national security issue. We can't trust them.

do not buy US products then
let the consumer make that choice

we will not get a deal without a give on supply management
so tie the give to get a win on all our trade irritants softwood lumber, auto, auto parts, steel, aluminum etc

Ontario has a massive debt burden and will be screwed if we lose the auto industry

and we will lose the the auto industry if we do not lower Corp tax rates and definitely if Carney ramps up the industrial carbon tax
 
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do not buy US products then
let the consumer make that choice

we will not get a deal without a give on supply management
so tie the give to get a win on all our trade irritants softwood lumber, auto, auto parts, steel, aluminum etc

Ontario has a massive debt burden and will be screwed if we lose the auto industry

and we will lose the the auto industry if we do not lower Corp tax rates and definitely if Carney ramps up the industrial carbon tax
We did before. We got a deal.

We have more leverage than you think. We can do without their food, can they do without our energy?

As for auto, they need us. They need our cheaper labor. So that will get settled.
 

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Then just buy Canadian dairy, pork and beef.
As I said, I don't want them in the food supply. That includes any processed food(not that I buy much). And also restaurant food.

It's imo a national security issue. We can't trust them. They will break deal on a whim, harm us economically without thought, and once in attempt to gouge us when we have no choice.

Supply chains in Canada are stable, prices are stable, and the food is better. A few cents a pound is not worth our national interests, the destruction of family farms to conglomerates, and in the end allowing a foreign nation to have control in our food supply.

And there is nothing you can say to convince me at this point to allow Americans that.
 

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Trump can screw with our economy, however Carney can destroy our economy and our country by pursuing a net zero agenda



Here is the deal
1. eliminate all Tariffs including all softwood lumber, and supply management (dairy/ pork/ chicken) , auto, auto parts, steel, aluminum etc >>> Full blown Free Trade
2. We rebuild our military
3. Trump shuts his gob about Canada as the 51st state. it is not going to happen
4. repeal bill c-69 and get the pipeline built-to ensure Canadian Unity
5. lower corp tax rates and forget about carbon taxes on industry
6. reduce the size of govt - get out of the way


we can compete with the Americans

Carney copied much of Pierre Ps platform in order to get elected
Now just copy the Pierre P platform to get our economy growing
Not really, industrial carbon tax is still in place, C69 will stay but be changed a bit, no idiotic mandatory sentencing guidelines, no use of not-withstanding clause, no plastic straws, a more modest tax cut. carbon taxes on industry are gonna stay CArney said govt delivery efficiency will have to increase (has to reduce headcount or increase services with the same people, or perhaps impose SLAs). Pay the military more, cut F-35s and buy Saab Gripens made in Canada. Reduce the warship spend buy more subs. Decide WTF is the role of the Canadian Forces. If there is a tax cut it should be based on a 5 year investment window with accelerated depreciation on investments for productivity for the next 5 years. The govt should evolve to a 5 year economy plan that is renewed every 5 years. This should be part of the electoral cycle and an economic plan update should be a part of the throne speech with EVERY new parliamentary session.
 
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Trump can screw with our economy, however Carney can destroy our economy and our country by pursuing a net zero agenda



Here is the deal
1. eliminate all Tariffs including all softwood lumber, and supply management (dairy/ pork/ chicken) , auto, auto parts, steel, aluminum etc >>> Full blown Free Trade
2. We rebuild our military
3. Trump shuts his gob about Canada as the 51st state. it is not going to happen
4. repeal bill c-69 and get the pipeline built-to ensure Canadian Unity
5. lower corp tax rates and forget about carbon taxes on industry
6. reduce the size of govt - get out of the way


we can compete with the Americans

Carney copied much of Pierre Ps platform in order to get elected
Now just copy the Pierre P platform to get our economy growing
So basically you want Carney to be Conservative. :ROFLMAO:

This is going to be a weird situation, imo. I think Trump realizes he needs allies, but Carney said Canada is going in a different direction.

It's hard to get a real read on this.
 
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We did before. We got a deal.

We have more leverage than you think. We can do without their food, can they do without our energy?
we do not have energy leverage over the US
our oil goes through Michigan before it reaches Ontario
Quebec and the Maritimes buy most of their oil from the US
we can not cut them off without getting cut off
The pipelines Trudeau killed would have given us energy leverage, but ... we elected a fool ideologue


As for auto, they need us. They need our cheaper labor. So that will get settled.
wrong again
US corporate tax rates will get cut and the auto industry will move to the US, especially if Carney is foolish enough to Carbon Tax industry

this just due to the tariffs
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JohnLarue

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So basically you want Carney to be Conservative. :ROFLMAO:

This is going to be a weird situation, imo. I think Trump realizes he needs allies, but Carney said Canada is going in a different direction.

It's hard to get a real read on this.
i want Carney to act in the best interests of Canada & that does not include a net zero agenda
Canadian unity is at risk here
 

DesRicardo

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i want Carney to act in the best interests of Canada & that does not include a net zero agenda
Canadian unity is at risk here
He can't. He's a globalist.

Even if he does act in the best interest of Canada, it's only to sell us off down the road.
 

JohnLarue

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As I said, I don't want them in the food supply. That includes any processed food(not that I buy much). And also restaurant food.
wake up
you likely already buy lots of US food products without knowing it

Loblaws on line displays country of origin now


It's imo a national security issue. We can't trust them. They will break deal on a whim, harm us economically without thought, and once in attempt to gouge us when we have no choice.
wake up
we are not going to replace the trade volume we have with the US
that would take decades and transportation costs would eat into margins/ make items far more expensive

try pricing an item from Britain or Germany eg machine tools

Supply chains in Canada are stable, prices are stable, and the food is better. A few cents a pound is not worth our national interests, the destruction of family farms to conglomerates, and in the end allowing a foreign nation to have control in our food supply.
wake up
the Quebec dairy farmers have a monopoly
why do you think we get milk in bags
they own the bagging facilities

And there is nothing you can say to convince me at this point to allow Americans that.
perhaps when you wake up

just eliminate ALL Tariffs (softwood lumber, Steel aluminum, autos, auto parts) & call his bluff

Again Ontario will get screwed here otherwise & Ontario has far too much provincial debt to withstand losing the auto industry
 

Butler1000

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wake up
you likely already buy lots of US food products without knowing it

Loblaws on line displays country of origin now




wake up
we are not going to replace the trade volume we have with the US
that would take decades and transportation costs would eat into margins/ make items far more expensive

try pricing an item from Britain or Germany eg machine tools



wake up
the Quebec dairy farmers have a monopoly
why do you think we get milk in bags
they own the bagging facilities



perhaps when you wake up

just eliminate ALL Tariffs (softwood lumber, Steel aluminum, autos, auto parts) & call his bluff

Again Ontario will get screwed here otherwise & Ontario has far too much provincial debt to withstand losing the auto industry
Dude, they have Senators that will never remove the softwood lumber tariffs.

I didn't say replace trade volume, but we can diversify it. Especially LNG. This has shown what eggs in one basket causes. We can't trust them.

I'm fine with the dairy prices. And mine comes in cartons.

And I have been checking labels for years. I mostly eat fresh food anyway. Cook at home. Buy from farmers markets St. Lawrence Market. Trips to Mennonite and Niagara region.
 

Butler1000

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we do not have energy leverage over the US
our oil goes through Michigan before it reaches Ontario
Quebec and the Maritimes buy most of their oil from the US
we can not cut them off without getting cut off
The pipelines Trudeau killed would have given us energy leverage, but ... we elected a fool ideologue



wrong again
US corporate tax rates will get cut and the auto industry will move to the US, especially if Carney is foolish enough to Carbon Tax industry

this just due to the tariffs
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We have leverage. We can add a surcharge to match every tariff. That way we take money from them. Not our own.
 

Butler1000

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I will add LaRue that the Bloc and Quebec Premier have publicly come out in support of Carney. Do you really think he will screw over Quebec farmers at this point?

Any deal will continue to protect farmers nation wide.
 
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