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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/06/26/turn-strip-clubs-into-brothels_n_5533646.html

"Some of Canada’s strip club operators think they have a better solution for sex workers than the government — and it involves turning their clubs into licensed brothels.
The Adult Entertainment Association of Canada is proposing an alternative Canadian model for prostitution to the Conservative government’s recently proposed Bill C-36, which criminalizes the purchase of sex.

The group, which represents three dozen exotic clubs across Ontario, believes the world’s oldest profession is best dealt with through the provision of licences to strip clubs that would allow prostitution in separately licensed areas of the clubs. It would not require dancers to sell sex or sex workers to dance.

It plans to submit a five-month-long “Enhanced Adult Services Study” to the Ontario and federal governments, as well as each municipality in Ontario in the hopes politicians will consider alternatives before the controversial bill passes.


The five-month-long study released Thursday concludes decriminalization, regulation and licensing of the business would keep sex workers safer. It would also allow governments to collect millions of dollars in tax revenues from “the market for sexual services,” which it estimates to be worth between $870 million and $1.7 billion per year.


The study, conducted on behalf of the AEAC by an independent consultant, suggests authorities consider allowing a one-year pilot project that allows strip clubs to provide “enhanced services” (prostitution).


“Adult entertainment clubs are in the best position, out of any other adult business, to ensure the health, safety and protection of consumers,” wrote the report’s author, former City of Toronto Licensing Policy Manager turned independent consultant Rudi Czekalla.


Strip clubs have a stake in both the proper and legal operation of their businesses, and in the maintenance of good relations with their neighbours, he said, as well as “a track record of caring about the safety and well-being of the people they work with.”

However, dancers at strip clubs do not appear to be in favour of the proposal. As part of the study, Czekalla also surveyed the opinions of 159 exotic dancers by going to clubs across the province in March and April, and found less than a third of dancers supported it, while 60 per cent opposed it.


The study estimates that governments could generate between $87 million and $170 million in revenues through a 10-per-cent excise tax. It suggests at least some of that tax revenue go to harm reduction and social services programs for those in the industry.


The group began looking at the possibility of “enhanced services” in their clubs in December, after the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the country’s prostitution laws. The unanimous decision threw out the prohibitions against keeping brothels, living on the avails of prostitution and street solicitation, saying they violated sex workers’ Charter rights to life, liberty and security of the person.


The Conservative government answered with its controversial Bill C-36 earlier this month, which is based on the so-called Nordic model that criminalizes buying sex but continues to allow its sale. The proposed law has upset many in the industry who say it continues to put sex workers in harm’s way by driving the industry further underground.

Tim Lambrinos, executive director of AEAC, believes the bill will not stand up to a constitutional challenge and that the time is ripe to push an alternative model.
“It makes sense that licensed adult entertainment clubs be chosen as safe brothel locations since they already have a good track record at protecting women,” he said.

The enhanced services model would create a system of municipal and provincial licensing and regulation to address health and safety, consumer protection and nuisance control issues. Municipalities and provinces would be able to regulate the industry and enforce such issues as the number of establishments allowed, minimum age requirements and sexual health check-ups, the report said.


Lambrinos said the plan is safer for workers because it brings sex work into the light and out of problematic situations like illegal massage parlours, escort services or street solicitation, which are dangerously difficult to track.


He pointed out that strip clubs are already zoned for sexual services operations, so no rezoning would be required, while their scattered locations would mean the controversial industry is not concentrated in a red-light district that local residents might oppose.


Under the AEAC’s proposal, human trafficking and sexual exploitation would remain illegal.


Lambrinos said the most shocking part of the study was how inadequate the information is that police have about crimes against sex workers.

Czekalla requested information about crimes targeting sex workers from police services in cities across Ontario and found that there was very limited data, and was told the information would require a record-by-record review. He recommended the program have a stipulation requiring police services to collect and provide uniform data to regulators.
The AEAC has already submitted a summary of the report to several MPs and has registered to present the findings before the Justice and Human Rights Standing Committee in July."

I think MPs would be better positioned to become brothels, but both would have problems that not all dancers/MPAs want to provide FS.


 

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and what about SPs here on terb who want to be independent?
 

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and what about SPs here on terb who want to be independent?
It's a bit of a paradox what the government really wants. On one hand, they don't want brothels for fear of the political backlash of "commercialized prostitution". On the other hand, it is the best way to keep prostitution off the streets and out of residential communities which is something that is very important to them. I feel that the government also doesn't like independents as they are very hard to regulate whereas MPs and SCs are fixed locations which can be tightly controlled. I'd imagine today, most independents operate in residential condos which probably isn't desirable for the government either. Even if someday the government allows for legalization of prostitution, it still is going to be a tough balancing act.
 

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/06/26/turn-strip-clubs-into-brothels_n_5533646.html

"Some of Canada’s strip club operators think they have a better solution for sex workers than the government — and it involves turning their clubs into licensed brothels.
The Adult Entertainment Association of Canada is proposing an alternative Canadian model for prostitution to the Conservative government’s recently proposed Bill C-36, which criminalizes the purchase of sex.

The group, which represents three dozen exotic clubs across Ontario, believes the world’s oldest profession is best dealt with through the provision of licences to strip clubs that would allow prostitution in separately licensed areas of the clubs. It would not require dancers to sell sex or sex workers to dance.

It plans to submit a five-month-long “Enhanced Adult Services Study” to the Ontario and federal governments, as well as each municipality in Ontario in the hopes politicians will consider alternatives before the controversial bill passes.


The five-month-long study released Thursday concludes decriminalization, regulation and licensing of the business would keep sex workers safer. It would also allow governments to collect millions of dollars in tax revenues from “the market for sexual services,” which it estimates to be worth between $870 million and $1.7 billion per year.


The study, conducted on behalf of the AEAC by an independent consultant, suggests authorities consider allowing a one-year pilot project that allows strip clubs to provide “enhanced services” (prostitution).


“Adult entertainment clubs are in the best position, out of any other adult business, to ensure the health, safety and protection of consumers,” wrote the report’s author, former City of Toronto Licensing Policy Manager turned independent consultant Rudi Czekalla.


Strip clubs have a stake in both the proper and legal operation of their businesses, and in the maintenance of good relations with their neighbours, he said, as well as “a track record of caring about the safety and well-being of the people they work with.”

However, dancers at strip clubs do not appear to be in favour of the proposal. As part of the study, Czekalla also surveyed the opinions of 159 exotic dancers by going to clubs across the province in March and April, and found less than a third of dancers supported it, while 60 per cent opposed it.


The study estimates that governments could generate between $87 million and $170 million in revenues through a 10-per-cent excise tax. It suggests at least some of that tax revenue go to harm reduction and social services programs for those in the industry.


The group began looking at the possibility of “enhanced services” in their clubs in December, after the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the country’s prostitution laws. The unanimous decision threw out the prohibitions against keeping brothels, living on the avails of prostitution and street solicitation, saying they violated sex workers’ Charter rights to life, liberty and security of the person.


The Conservative government answered with its controversial Bill C-36 earlier this month, which is based on the so-called Nordic model that criminalizes buying sex but continues to allow its sale. The proposed law has upset many in the industry who say it continues to put sex workers in harm’s way by driving the industry further underground.

Tim Lambrinos, executive director of AEAC, believes the bill will not stand up to a constitutional challenge and that the time is ripe to push an alternative model.
“It makes sense that licensed adult entertainment clubs be chosen as safe brothel locations since they already have a good track record at protecting women,” he said.

The enhanced services model would create a system of municipal and provincial licensing and regulation to address health and safety, consumer protection and nuisance control issues. Municipalities and provinces would be able to regulate the industry and enforce such issues as the number of establishments allowed, minimum age requirements and sexual health check-ups, the report said.


Lambrinos said the plan is safer for workers because it brings sex work into the light and out of problematic situations like illegal massage parlours, escort services or street solicitation, which are dangerously difficult to track.


He pointed out that strip clubs are already zoned for sexual services operations, so no rezoning would be required, while their scattered locations would mean the controversial industry is not concentrated in a red-light district that local residents might oppose.


Under the AEAC’s proposal, human trafficking and sexual exploitation would remain illegal.


Lambrinos said the most shocking part of the study was how inadequate the information is that police have about crimes against sex workers.

Czekalla requested information about crimes targeting sex workers from police services in cities across Ontario and found that there was very limited data, and was told the information would require a record-by-record review. He recommended the program have a stipulation requiring police services to collect and provide uniform data to regulators.
The AEAC has already submitted a summary of the report to several MPs and has registered to present the findings before the Justice and Human Rights Standing Committee in July."

I think MPs would be better positioned to become brothels, but both would have problems that not all dancers/MPAs want to provide FS.


I also saw this today and must admit it really gave me a glimmer of hope. It stiffened my resolve (amongst other things). Still, I prefer the privacy of a hotel room. Of course our present government in Ottawa would never allow this, but maybe TO city council? Hmmm.
There was a post about this a month or so ago from a Terbite who wrote that a stripper friend told him this was in the offing. My God it was true!
 

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However, dancers at strip clubs do not appear to be in favour of the proposal. As part of the study, Czekalla also surveyed the opinions of 159 exotic dancers by going to clubs across the province in March and April, and found less than a third of dancers supported it, while 60 per cent opposed it.
This isn't a surprise. It's not that the dancers have a moral issue but strictly a financial issue. While some girls already provide 'extra$' there are a lot that manage to soak more money from their clients dancing than the client would spend on full service from an SP.
 

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All this will do is drive up the price of seeing and sp. it will not do anything to help the indy sp's . Do they think that the pimps will not be involved, that's a joke. They can keep tighter control of the girls.
 

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This is an excellent idea! For all those people who are so worried about sex workers' safety, I cannot think of a better venue for a brothel than a dark club where the men outnumber the women 10 to 1, and alcohol is served freely until 2 am. :rolleyes:
 

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No wonder Lambrinos hangs with Mammoliti. Together they almost make a whole idiot.
 

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would they allowed to DFK GFE etc ?
 

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Interesting response but they're definitely trying to out maneuver the bill and reduce the competition.

I'm not sure that I'd want to just go to SCs or MPs for sex. It probably would be much more expensive as someone else stated here.
 

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Interesting response but they're definitely trying to out maneuver the bill and reduce the competition.

I'm not sure that I'd want to just go to SCs or MPs for sex. It probably would be much more expensive as someone else stated here.
Probably. It is under the status quo and I can see it staying higher or going up if either is sanctioned to be the official purveyor of booty....
 

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I'm not sure that I'd want to just go to SCs or MPs for sex.
Concur.

Aside from allowing SC's the exclusive right to sell sex legally, I don't see the proposal necessarily as a bad thing, and not much different than what is already going on in them anyway... Lol
 
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