Adobe confirms it will no longer develop Flash for mobile browsers

[Tangwhich]

Anyone can make a product as they see fit. Consumers can decide to reward them by purchasing their product, or punish by abstaining from doing so.

That's also called choice.

Yes, but the way apple picks and chooses without clear guidelines very much reminds me what they used to bitch about MS in the 90s. The arrogance of the company will come back to bite them in the ass sometime down the road.
There was some app that allowed users to view flash by doing an on the fly conversion or something, I'm not sure how it worked. But it was extremely popular. Only the ultra loyal (or brainwashed) apple fans would argue that not allowing iphone/ipad to run flash is a good thing.

 

[onthebottom]

I don't think this is because of apple specifically. Rather I think the announcement from microsoft that their upcoming windows 8 slates running arm processors would not support flash was adobe's ultimate undoing on flash.

Yeah, because there are so many of those in the market....

OTB

 

[Cobster]

Yeah, because there are so many of those in the market....

OTB

Keyword "upcoming" (Windows 8), so for Adobe, this may have been the final nail in the coffin?
Regardless, it's done, but for now, I still enjoy surfing without aggravation, if I need to see a flash based site, I just hit the big play button on my screen.
If I don't care to, I don't...

But in the meantime, Apple has more money than God...that's what's most important really.

 

[Max Webster]

Yeah, because there are so many of those in the market....

OTB

A recent study found that the tablet most people wanted to buy is the windows tablet and the thing doesn't exit. Just wait.

 

[onthebottom]

A recent study found that the tablet most people wanted to buy is the windows tablet and the thing doesn't exit. Just wait.

Really, point me to that, I'd like to read it.... in any case I think that given that a majority of mobile web traffic is iOS Adobe had to surrender....

OTB

 

[Tangwhich]

The word is not surrender, the word is evolve. By the time HTML5 is common enough to be relevant, apple users will have been viewing crippled web pages for more than 3 years. There's no glory for apple here, only shame.

 

[onthebottom]

The word is not surrender, the word is evolve. By the time HTML5 is common enough to be relevant, apple users will have been viewing crippled web pages for more than 3 years. There's no glory for apple here, only shame.

LOL

Jobs called it and yet it's shame..... that's a good one.

OTB

 

[WoodPeckr]

LOL

Jobs called it and yet it's shame..... that's a good one.

OTB

The real shame is Jobs releasing a buggy HTML5 that needs quite a bit of work before hitting prime time!....:eyebrows:

 

[Cobster]

Really, point me to that, I'd like to read it.... in any case I think that given that a majority of mobile web traffic is iOS Adobe had to surrender....

OTB

Yes, because of heavy marketing and being out first with the tablet. (a derivative of the iPhone)
However, if iPhone users saw this chart.... lol

Let's not forget the replaceable batter, the microSD capability and Samsung pumping as much money as Apple did for marketing, we'd have a much different playing field. lol

Regardless, it's nice to see that the iPhone has so many features that the Android based Galaxy has. lol
But hey, Apple has a fuckload of money, that's what's important, right Faux News (OTB)? ;-)

 

[Cobster]

The real shame is Jobs releasing a buggy HTML5 that needs quite a bit of work before hitting prime time!....

Who cares, they have fuck loads of money, that's what's important.
Enough to build Jobs' spaceship, so he go can into heaven....but wait, he was Buddhist, wasn't he?

 

[Tangwhich]

LOL

Jobs called it and yet it's shame..... that's a good one.

OTB

I don't understand why you find this amusing? He called that flash would be replaced? Yet here we are 2 years or so later and it's still no where near being replaced. That's almost as meaningful as calling that the sun will rise tomorrow.

I've come to the conclusion that apple fans cannot be reasoned with. They see victory where there is none. They are like fox new "journalists". Anyone who defends the stance by apple has taken on flash has no objectivity and cannot have their opinion taken seriously. This isn't even about flash, it's about apple telling you what's good for you. Maybe someday down the road apple with arbitrarily ban some piece of software you adore and perhaps then you'll understand that it's OK to criticise apple once in a while.

 

[onthebottom]

I don't understand why you find this amusing? He called that flash would be replaced? Yet here we are 2 years or so later and it's still no where near being replaced. That's almost as meaningful as calling that the sun will rise tomorrow.

I've come to the conclusion that apple fans cannot be reasoned with. They see victory where there is none. They are like fox new "journalists". Anyone who defends the stance by apple has taken on flash has no objectivity and cannot have their opinion taken seriously. This isn't even about flash, it's about apple telling you what's good for you. Maybe someday down the road apple with arbitrarily ban some piece of software you adore and perhaps then you'll understand that it's OK to criticise apple once in a while.

Adobe is stopping development on mobile flash - it's withdrawing from a market that Jobs said it had no business being in... he was right. What is so hard to understand.

OTB

 

[Tangwhich]

Adobe is stopping development on mobile flash - it's withdrawing from a market that Jobs said it had no business being in... he was right. What is so hard to understand.

OTB

I think you're the one with a hard time understanding here.
In what way was he right that they had no business being in the mobile market? I have seen no evidence of this. Actually I see evidence that he was completely wrong every time I use my phone and tablet. And so does what, about half of the smartphone market?

They are stopping development, but not removing a perfectly working piece of software and they are still doing bug fixes. I can view web pages on my phone and tablet that ipad/iphone users cannot. I've had that ability for about 2 years and will have that ability well into the future which ipad/iphone users will have to wait a great deal of time for. Let me say that again, for 2 years apple have prevented their customers from having a full web experience on their phones. That disadvantage continues to this day and will continue for well into the foreseeable future. Apple didn't win or prove anything here. Adobe did not lose, they are just moving onto a the next stage of development. If HTML5 came out (and I mean was widely adopted) within months of Jobs saying this, then absolutely he would have been right. But here was are 2 years later and HTML5 isn't even close to being widespread. 2 years in computer terms is a lifetime. It's like saying don't buy that car it will only break down then when your transmission dies 10 years later saying "see, I told you so". It it was 2015 and just now adobe was stopping mobile flash development, and HTML5 was still not common, would you still say Jobs called it? Jobs was wrong here. Wrong, wrong and wrong. But you've drunk so much of apple koolaid you can't see the forest for the trees. I'm happy that you're happy with your apple products, but you are so blinded by loyalty that even when your great leader is wrong you turn it around to a victory. All the hardcore evangelical apple fans are pathetic (and the anti apple people are just as pathetic).

But really that isn't what's important here. What's important is apple deciding without clear guidelines now to allow software on their products. Adobe was willing to work with apple to make flash to their liking but apple flat out said no. That's the real issue here. If he felt so strongly that adobe had no business being in the mobile market they he should have banned all their products including PDF instead of cherry picking whatever he happened to dislike.

 

[Cobster]

Tang', that was beautiful dude, just beautiful. :')
You won't convince OTB otherwise, he's invested too much into building that spaceship for Jobs, he won't accept your simple, intelligent rationale.

 

[onthebottom]

I think you're the one with a hard time understanding here.
In what way was he right that they had no business being in the mobile market? I have seen no evidence of this. Actually I see evidence that he was completely wrong every time I use my phone and tablet. And so does what, about half of the smartphone market?

They are stopping development, but not removing a perfectly working piece of software and they are still doing bug fixes. I can view web pages on my phone and tablet that ipad/iphone users cannot. I've had that ability for about 2 years and will have that ability well into the future which ipad/iphone users will have to wait a great deal of time for. Let me say that again, for 2 years apple have prevented their customers from having a full web experience on their phones. That disadvantage continues to this day and will continue for well into the foreseeable future. Apple didn't win or prove anything here. Adobe did not lose, they are just moving onto a the next stage of development. If HTML5 came out (and I mean was widely adopted) within months of Jobs saying this, then absolutely he would have been right. But here was are 2 years later and HTML5 isn't even close to being widespread. 2 years in computer terms is a lifetime. It's like saying don't buy that car it will only break down then when your transmission dies 10 years later saying "see, I told you so". It it was 2015 and just now adobe was stopping mobile flash development, and HTML5 was still not common, would you still say Jobs called it? Jobs was wrong here. Wrong, wrong and wrong. But you've drunk so much of apple koolaid you can't see the forest for the trees. I'm happy that you're happy with your apple products, but you are so blinded by loyalty that even when your great leader is wrong you turn it around to a victory. All the hardcore evangelical apple fans are pathetic (and the anti apple people are just as pathetic).

But really that isn't what's important here. What's important is apple deciding without clear guidelines now to allow software on their products. Adobe was willing to work with apple to make flash to their liking but apple flat out said no. That's the real issue here. If he felt so strongly that adobe had no business being in the mobile market they he should have banned all their products including PDF instead of cherry picking whatever he happened to dislike.

HTML 5 is very widespread, Adobe is abandoning a shitty product, one you chose to use....

Get a grip.

OTB

 

[WoodPeckr]

HTML 5 is very widespread on Apple iToys.
The rest of the real world not so much....

 

[b4u]

Tangwhich posts 31 and 33 are spot on!! very well said.
Anti Apple fans are created by people like OTB and sadly there are so many like that

 

[onthebottom]

I don't think this is because of apple specifically. Rather I think the announcement from microsoft that their upcoming windows 8 slates running arm processors would not support flash was adobe's ultimate undoing on flash.

Here is one problem with than view:

Major PC makers plan to concede tablet market to Apple, Amazon in 2012

By Sam Oliver

Published: 08:51 AM EST (05:51 AM PST)

Traditional PC makers like Dell and HP believe they have no advantages in the tablet market, and plan to phase out from competing with Apple's iPad, along with low-end tablets from content providers like Amazon and Barnes & Noble, in 2012.

Along with Hewlett-Packard and Dell, other "pure" PC makers like Acer and Asus plan to gradually exit the tablet market next year, industry sources told DigiTimes. The main reason is said to be that they cannot provide content like Apple, Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

So far Apple's iPad has dominated the market, representing nearly all of tablets sold, and hooking in users with its vast App Store selection. But new devices from Amazon and Barnes & Noble aim to take the lower end of the market with prices less than half that of Apple's $499 iPad, and make up the difference through sales of content like books, music and movies.

With tablet hardware prices that low, companies like Dell and HP that don't sell content are unlikely to make a profit, as they can't sell the hardware at a loss like Amazon is rumored to be doing with its new Kindle Fire. Industry sources reportedly said they expect devices from Amazon and Barnes & Noble will eventually be offered for free, serving as content platforms for the companies.

And even with their low prices, sales of newly launched touchscreen tablets from Amazon and Barnes & Noble were not as high as Apple's iPad, which industry insiders see as an indication that "strong enthusiasm for tablet PCs has already disappeared."

If accurate, the news that traditional PC makers have lost interest in the tablet market could be bad news for Microsoft, as the company's forthcoming Windows 8 operating system will feature a tablet-friendly interface. The company unveiled its plans on a prototype device designed by Samsung in September.

HP already attempted to penetrate the tablet market with its own hardware, operating system and application ecosystem, much like Apple, but the webOS-powered TouchPad failed to gain any traction and was quickly discontinued by the company. A year earlier the company partnered with Microsoft to release the HP Slate, but that Windows-powered device also failed as Apple's iPad took over the tablet market.

 

[onthebottom]

For those who are reality resistant, you don't have to take it from me you can take it from:

Adobe Admits: Apple Won, Flash For Mobile is Done, HTML5 is the Future

Adobe developer relations lead Mike Chambers has posted a lengthy explanation of why the company decided stop development of the mobile browser version of Flash.

The response comes as the health of the entire Flash ecosystem is in doubt. Adobe announced that Flash Player 11.1 would be the last version of Flash for mobile devices, though the company would continue to fix critical bugs. The company is also abandoning Flash on connected TVs.

“The decision to stop development of the Flash Player plugin for mobile browsers was part of a larger strategic shift at Adobe,” writes Chambers. “One which includes a greater shift in focus toward HTML5, as well as the Adobe Creative Cloud and the services that it provides.”

Chambers iterates five main reasons why Adobe decided that its resources were better spent elsewhere:

- Flash was never going to gain ubiquity on mobile devices, thanks to the fact that Apple resolutely refused to adopt the technology on the iPhone or iPad. “No matter what we did, the Flash Player was not going to be available on Apple’s iOS anytime in the foreseeable future,” he says.

- Meanwhile, HTML5 is ubiquitous. “On mobile devices, HTML5 provides a similar level of ubiquity that the Flash Player provides on the desktop,” Chambers says.

- Users don’t consume content on mobile in the same way they do on desktop. Differences in screen sizes, latency from wireless networks and the ubiquity of app stores made Flash less relevant on handheld devices.

- Developing browser plugins for mobile is much more challenging than the desktop. It requires more partnerships with OS developers, mobile hardware manufacturers and component manufacturers. “Developing the Flash Player for mobile browsers has proven to require much more resources than we anticipated,” Chambers admits.

- Adobe wanted to shift more resources to HTML5, and dropping Flash for mobile frees them to do so.

Chambers then goes into the difficult task of assuring developers that Flash itself is healthy. He explains that Adobe has made a “long term commitment to the Flash Player on desktops” and is focused on letting developers create mobile apps through the Adobe AIR platform.

It’s his thoughts on HTML5 vs. Flash that may be the most intriguing. Chambers admits in the final portion of his post that HTML5 will take over more and more of the functionality of Flash.

“If a Flash feature is successful, it will eventually be integrated into the browser, and developers and users will access it more and more via the browser and not Flash,” he states. And while HTML5 and CSS3 have a long way to go to match the ubiquity or functionality of the Flash Player, “the trend is very clear.”

“A lot of the things that you have done via Flash in the past,” he concludes “will increasingly be done via HTML5 and CSS3 directly in the browser.”

No matter how you sugarcoat this week’s episode of Flash theater, it’s clear that Apple has won the Flash argument and Adobe has lost it. This was clear to many of us in the tech industry early on, but the argument gained steam when Steve Jobs posted a lengthy open letter arguing that Flash was no longer necessary.

While Flash will be around for many years to come, it’s clear that even Adobe thinks HTML5 is the future. Flash’s days are numbered.

 

[Cobster]

I bet you just tugged one off while reading that on your limited capable iPhone huh OTB?


Here's something that'll put you off though and make you sad.

The iPhone has a lot in common with, well, the common rock.
How sad.

I didn't know about the crappy multi-tasking until I saw this diagram and did some searching thereafter, that had to hurt, didn't it? lol
Or the lack of customization? Or the ability to move files around the phone, or onto your microSD, err, wait, the iPhone doesn't have that either. lol

Keep bragging how much market share it has, because all it tells me is just how incredibly blind and gullible people are into buying heavily marketed Pieces.O.S.