About Muslims...

[kl33n]

I can't quote Hitler as well as you can, kl.

Germans were mostly Christian. Nazis were not.

Honestly, the government in power can't openly declare war on the predominent religion. There would certainly be a revolt.

Certainly Hitler seeked to undermine the church. It doesn't suprise me that he might support the church in his speeches.

Hitler may have been anti-Christian (he certainly wasn't an atheist based on his personal writings), but perhaps he was a deist, who knows. However, the Nazi's pandered to the Christians and from the article I posted, Nazis in 1920 (13 years before they came into power) wrote in their manifesto:

"The Party as such takes its stand on a positive Christianity but does not tie itself in the matter of confession to any particular denomination. It fights the spirit of Jewish materialism inside and outside ourselves."

So they were definitely a pro-Christian party...with their own idea of what Christianity was.

Now, some in the repubican party may not be Christians (I personally think Cheney isn't, Rove hinted at being agnostic.), however if we were to say the Republican party is anti-Christian, that would just be laughable.

 

[Aardvark154]

No one thing "constitutes Christianity and being a Christian". This is a No True Scotsman fallacy. There is no such thing as a "true" Christian. A Catholic may think no one but Catholics will go to heaven because they are true Christians, we all know this is a fallacy. The same can be applied to orthodox Christians saying "Positive Christianity" is not true Christianity.

Hogwash



The Nicene Creed has defined the essentials of the faith quite nicely for over a millennium.

 

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There is no such thing as a "true" Christian. A Catholic may think no one but Catholics will go to heaven because they are true Christians, we all know this is a fallacy. .

you've been to heaven, then?

 

[kl33n]

you've been to heaven, then?

You obviously missed the point.

 

[kl33n]

@bbking

Of course they do. Read the Catechisms.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

Basically, if you're aware of the gospels and the church but still reject it, you won't be saved.

Regarding the "vision" of Our Lady of Fatima. I won't go into the politics behind what was going on in Portugal during that time. Let's just say that this vision came around a time when Portugal was secularizing and the "vision" only helped pave the way for Portuguese dictator, Salazar, to take power in Portugal with support from religious right who feared the secularization.

 

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You obviously missed the point.

I guess I did. so no heaven for you?

 

[kl33n]

No, and as far as I am concerned, Heaven doesn't exist since there is no evidence that supports its existence.

I'm not the one making claims to knowing what a "true Christian" is. I was pointing out the fallacy of those claiming to know. You should be asking them if they've been to heaven.