About Muslims...
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Hey Sargeant StiffCock,
What about Muslims that were born in this country? They are Canadians and deserve all the rights that other Canadians deserve, that includes the right to built their mosque and pray at work if they choose to.
The way you talk, they aren't entitled to anything when, IMO, they are more Canadian than you you are. Who are you to immigrate to this country and make a blanket statement about denying rights to Muslims?
What about Muslims that were born in this country? They are Canadians and deserve all the rights that other Canadians deserve, that includes the right to built their mosque and pray at work if they choose to.
The way you talk, they aren't entitled to anything when, IMO, they are more Canadian than you you are. Who are you to immigrate to this country and make a blanket statement about denying rights to Muslims?
Brownie69, you don't want to know what I think about that 
Just being born here does not make you Canadian. How you behave throughout your life here determines that. If you embrace the country's ways, laws and even some of it's culture THEN you are a true Canadian.
If you're going to kill your daughter because she is just trying to fit in at school, if you are going to practice the same way of life in general, wear the same clothes etc. then what kind of Canadian are you?
Show me a muslim country that would give a fraction of the rights to a christian immigrant in their country that canada gives them and i'll shut up. I am sick and tired of hearing politically correct answers and comments here. If you haven't lived it you don't know shit.
I HAVE lived it.
Just being born here does not make you Canadian. How you behave throughout your life here determines that. If you embrace the country's ways, laws and even some of it's culture THEN you are a true Canadian.
If you're going to kill your daughter because she is just trying to fit in at school, if you are going to practice the same way of life in general, wear the same clothes etc. then what kind of Canadian are you?
Show me a muslim country that would give a fraction of the rights to a christian immigrant in their country that canada gives them and i'll shut up. I am sick and tired of hearing politically correct answers and comments here. If you haven't lived it you don't know shit.
I HAVE lived it.
Thanx Sarg, for sharing that story. It’s a tragic story that’s way too common in Islamic countries. Every non-Muslim tells the same story. When there’s a Muslim Majority they treat the non-Muslim minority like dirt.
Even though it is the norm in the Islamic world, there are still those that still refuse to believe that it has anything to do with the religion. It has everything to do with the religion. The religion specifically tells its followers to treat non-Muslims that way. They are simply following the teachings of their prophet.
Almost every Islamic country is ruled by despots and the people suffer in economic, cultural and intellectual poverty. They are programmed to hate the kafurs and they blame their plight on them.
The Turks genocide of the 1.5 million Armenians is also far too common in the Islamic world. They have done many such genocides for 1400 years, starting with the extermination and expulsion of the Jews in Yathrib (Medina) by Muhammad to the one going on right now in Sudan.
The good news is that Islam is loosing the public relations battle. Favorable opinion of Islam has declined steadily in the last few years as most free thinking people have noticed the persistence of Islamic terror and (most importantly) the indifference of the broader Islamic community.
There is still the stale, half-witted response from the predictable sources that “Islam is a religion of peace,” or that, “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.” These come from people who either have no clue or have a vested interest in distorting the truth.
Muslims will continue to behave that way until the rest of the world takes a stand against it. I’m not saying that we dish out the same treatment. I strongly believe against harming, harassing, pre-judging or stereotyping anyone basted on religion.
We need to educate people on the destructive, barbaric cult that is Islam. We need to take a firm stand against this religious apartheid like we did against the racial apartheid in S Africa.
Even though it is the norm in the Islamic world, there are still those that still refuse to believe that it has anything to do with the religion. It has everything to do with the religion. The religion specifically tells its followers to treat non-Muslims that way. They are simply following the teachings of their prophet.
Almost every Islamic country is ruled by despots and the people suffer in economic, cultural and intellectual poverty. They are programmed to hate the kafurs and they blame their plight on them.
The Turks genocide of the 1.5 million Armenians is also far too common in the Islamic world. They have done many such genocides for 1400 years, starting with the extermination and expulsion of the Jews in Yathrib (Medina) by Muhammad to the one going on right now in Sudan.
The good news is that Islam is loosing the public relations battle. Favorable opinion of Islam has declined steadily in the last few years as most free thinking people have noticed the persistence of Islamic terror and (most importantly) the indifference of the broader Islamic community.
There is still the stale, half-witted response from the predictable sources that “Islam is a religion of peace,” or that, “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.” These come from people who either have no clue or have a vested interest in distorting the truth.
Muslims will continue to behave that way until the rest of the world takes a stand against it. I’m not saying that we dish out the same treatment. I strongly believe against harming, harassing, pre-judging or stereotyping anyone basted on religion.
We need to educate people on the destructive, barbaric cult that is Islam. We need to take a firm stand against this religious apartheid like we did against the racial apartheid in S Africa.
I’ll propose a deal to the Islamic community. We’ll let 1000 mosques be built in Canada if they let 1 church or synagogue be built in Mecca. That seems fair.
wow...I'm done with all this threads about Islam. Not that I was trying to change anyones mind but all this non-sense bashing about other peoples religion, it's just ridiculous.
True, most Islamic countries are ran by brutal, despotic dictatorial governments, but so did Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Vietnam, North and South Korea, etc...and this are not msulim countries, are they?
btw Sarge, I do sympathize with you and your story. I think it's despicable that you and your family got such treatment. But I think the ire of the other terbites is because you're basically saying that the muslims in Canada are basically the same as the ones you experienced in Turkey.
True, most Islamic countries are ran by brutal, despotic dictatorial governments, but so did Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Vietnam, North and South Korea, etc...and this are not msulim countries, are they?
btw Sarge, I do sympathize with you and your story. I think it's despicable that you and your family got such treatment. But I think the ire of the other terbites is because you're basically saying that the muslims in Canada are basically the same as the ones you experienced in Turkey.
My belief is that given the chance they will act in the same way. The only way to find that out is to be the part of a minority non-muslim group in a muslim country. How many people here have? and of those, how many can disagree with me?berzerker said:
Indonesia is the most populous (200+ million people) Muslim country and it has long enjoyed a reputation for religious tolerance and freedom.Cinema Face said:
Ditto India (150+ million people) and Bangladesh (130+ million people).
It's kind of unfair to focus on the smaller Muslim countries, with tin pot dictators, and say that they are representative of all Muslim countries and all Muslim people.
Incidentally, there are dictatorships with "Christian" leaders. Some in Africa. And I seem to recall Bush (and various Christian religious leaders) have called Putin a good Christian. Yet now he is looking more and more like a despot or dictator every day.
By no means am I questioning what you've experienced, but I don't believe every Muslim should be held accountable for the actions of those in Middle Eastern countries. There are a lot of Muslims (those born here, those from Islamic countries and those from non-Islamic countries) in Canada that respect the laws and just want to live in peace. They should be afforded the rights that all of us have.Sargeant StiffCock said:Brownie69, you don't want to know what I think about that
Just being born here does not make you Canadian. How you behave throughout your life here determines that. If you embrace the country's ways, laws and even some of it's culture THEN you are a true Canadian.
If you're going to kill your daughter because she is just trying to fit in at school, if you are going to practice the same way of life in general, wear the same clothes etc. then what kind of Canadian are you?
Show me a muslim country that would give a fraction of the rights to a christian immigrant in their country that canada gives them and i'll shut up. I am sick and tired of hearing politically correct answers and comments here. If you haven't lived it you don't know shit.
I HAVE lived it.
While I sympathize with you about the treatment you received, I'm not going sit here and say that Canada should changes our policies because of what other countries do. Canada and Canadians are better than that, period. I have no problem with a Muslim coming here and having religious freedoms if s/he respects the law of this country. You can talk about what happens overseas, but it should have no impact on how we conduct ourselves in this country. Canada affords equal opportunity to everyone and that part of what makes this
Your talking about meeting some guy in the course of your daily activities and being smug about having a cross around your neck without even knowing what type of person that individual is. If you want to let your anger dominate your opinions of people before you know them then go ahead, but don't tell me that all Muslims should be held acountable for the crimes of others.... Your labelling all Muslims as the same and its not right.
dont kid yourself there, Turkey is smart and plays both sides of the conflict in the Middle East, one day sharing military exercises with Israel the next talking about how they commit atrocities against the Palestinians.Anderson said:
As for not being allowed to wear a cross, well Turkey is a militant secularist nation, in government run places no religious wear of any sort is allowed yes not even hijabs!!!
As for Iraq well ask the Muslim Kurds how well they were treated just before they were gassed? As for Muslim countries that treat immigrant Christians well, ahhh seems to me that the Westerners in places like Dubai do a heck of alot better than say ohhhh Muslim from places like Bangladesh and Pakistan who live in border line slavery. Nothing ever is a black and white issue as the Andersons of the world like to believe.
Indonesia is tolerant of other religions? Were they not the country who seemed unwilling to punish the bombers who blew up the (incidentally mostly Christian?) Austrailians by the hundreds, severely punish those who spit gum on thier streets. Telling Beyonce how to dress for her concert. They actually seem "intolerant" of everything, let alone religion.IMHO anywaykatsrin said:
No offense, but I don't buy that for a second. Your comparing Muslims of a different part of the world to Muslims that grew up in the West. I don't believe you can make an accurate inferrence here. There are many Muslims that grow up in this society that live shoulder and shoulder with non-muslims and they call each other friends, wish them happy holidays at christmas and help them in need. These people are good natured and respectful...Sargeant StiffCock said:
No, I'm correct. You seem to be confusing various things.wumpscut said:
Indonesia's president has called for the execution of the Bali bombers:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSJAK4234320071108
The U.S. and other nations have publicly said they were satisfied with the "speed and efficiency with which the Indonesian police and courts dealt with the bombing's primary suspects". Some sentences handed out were not as harsh as all would have liked, but it's not like criminals in America and Canada have never gotten off with lighter sentences than the prosecution wanted (e., think of Connie Black).
Didn't various venues in North America tell Madonna how to dress, some years back? Let's not even get into Janet Jackson and America's Nipplegate, even though most countries happily show nipples on prime time tv.
As for the gum, I think you are confusing Indonesia for Singapore.
Given the chance, most people of any religion, nationality, race, upbringing, etc will go with what the crowd says.Sargeant StiffCock said:
Look at the Nazi regime, the majority of Germany supported the third reich, and I'm talking ordinary citizens. How about the psychological experiment turning ordinary college students into brutal prison guards? What about America in the 50s when discriminating "niggers" was a common thing between regular white folks?
Without going any further, how many of us didn't join in the group bullying of the class nerd when we were in elementary school?
All I'm saying is, muslim extremist are not any different than christian extremist...or any kind of extremists. That there is a radical terrorist increase in recent times associated with Islam, it's true.
If you think that the convenience store clerk from Teheran will spit on your Christian cross given the chance, is like saying a skinhead will kick a muslims ass in London, "given the chance". Oh wait...they already do that!
berzerker said:
Here’s your history lesson.
Turkey was once the center of the Byzantine empire, a spin off of the Roman empire, their capital was Constantinople which is modern day Istanbul.
In 631 AD, Muhammad, having captured much of the Arabian peninsula needed another victim. He turned against the Byzantine Christians. He revealed the 5th Surah in which he justified turning the Christians into the enemy of Islam. There is no evidence that the Christians ever bothered the Muslims.
The Muslims begin an unprovoked siege of the Byzantine empire. The war lasted until 1453 when they finally captured Constantinople. While there were moments during that 800 year period where the Christians did not act exemplary and the Muslims did act with restraint, it was generally the Muslims who were the aggressors.
Muhammad declared the Christians as the enemy of Islam and that’s why they are. That’s the source of the hatred.
That's how people like Hitler and Muhammad and every other phycopathic meglomaniac operates. They get otherwise good people to do bad things.berzerker said:
Extremism in all its forms is bad, expecially religious extremism. There is one key difference between Christian and Muslim extremists. The minority of Muslim fundamentalists are supported by the majority of peaceful, moderate Muslims. The fanantics can't operate in a vacuum. The whole Islamic community supports it either directly or indirectly by their indiference and denial.berzerker said:
Islamic terrorism has always been there for the last 1400 years. The last few hundred years, it was dormant because they lacked the means. Now, with over 1 billion dollars going into the Persian gulf each day, they now have the means.berzerker said:
Um, your facts are a little off. Muhammad died in 632 A.D.Cinema Face said:
Constantinople wasn't attacked by the Arab during Muhammad's life time. It was after Ali (the 4th Caliph) died that the push for Constantinople began.
Here is a little (and I mean little) summary of the events in this historical event.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-118008.html
I know very little about the Koran other than what I hear and read in the media and I think that, at times, things are exaggerated or sensationalized. However, I have to say that the religion gets a bad name because of the loony characters we see on TV or hear about on the radio. There are so many conflicting statements about what the Koran says and does not say that I for one would welcome an uninterrupted live TV debate that finally sets the world straight about what the Koran says.
The religion is under siege and the purveyors of the religion are all about power, control and money. They know that if they loose control there is no place for them in their society anymore. It is sad that they are hell bent on keeping their people in the dark ages. One day, like China did, they will wake up and join the rest of the world.
As far as for the unfortunate loss of the girl in Mississauga it may be hard for people to understand how difficult it is for an immigrant family to cope with the first generation while trying to cling to the old world ways. Remember some teenagers do not always think the way their parents were brought up. It is part of growing up. Most of us were rebellious teenagers when we were growing up. The parents themselves are in a time warp when they are in Canada. They remember how things were supposed to be when they lived abroad and they think it should be the same way here for their family. It is difficult for them to change. But that is no excuse for what the father did. I am sure what happened here commonly happens in the middle east Muslim world. That family came to this free country for a reason…most likely to get a better life. Maybe with the father sitting in jail he will have time to ponder how he got himself into this mess…all in the name of religious beliefs. In the old country he probably wouldn't serve a day in jail but here we have different standards for human life. The only thing we can do as a society is to let internal family squabbles like this play themselves out. Sad….but we cannot do anything in these types of domestic squabbles...and it really is a domestic squabble. With him being a taxi driver, it must have infuriated him every day to see western women dressed without a hijab or being asked by western women to be driven to a desired destination.
The religion is under siege and the purveyors of the religion are all about power, control and money. They know that if they loose control there is no place for them in their society anymore. It is sad that they are hell bent on keeping their people in the dark ages. One day, like China did, they will wake up and join the rest of the world.
As far as for the unfortunate loss of the girl in Mississauga it may be hard for people to understand how difficult it is for an immigrant family to cope with the first generation while trying to cling to the old world ways. Remember some teenagers do not always think the way their parents were brought up. It is part of growing up. Most of us were rebellious teenagers when we were growing up. The parents themselves are in a time warp when they are in Canada. They remember how things were supposed to be when they lived abroad and they think it should be the same way here for their family. It is difficult for them to change. But that is no excuse for what the father did. I am sure what happened here commonly happens in the middle east Muslim world. That family came to this free country for a reason…most likely to get a better life. Maybe with the father sitting in jail he will have time to ponder how he got himself into this mess…all in the name of religious beliefs. In the old country he probably wouldn't serve a day in jail but here we have different standards for human life. The only thing we can do as a society is to let internal family squabbles like this play themselves out. Sad….but we cannot do anything in these types of domestic squabbles...and it really is a domestic squabble. With him being a taxi driver, it must have infuriated him every day to see western women dressed without a hijab or being asked by western women to be driven to a desired destination.
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Well done.... you have shown me I was wrong about the bombers and about the chewing gum. We will have to agree to disagree on Malasia's govt conrol of performers wardrobe... I still feel that shows intolerance. But you would find me biased anyway, I can't think of any muslim countries that I consider "tolerant" as I understand it.katsrin said:
Perhaps not if the person behind the counter is acculturated into Western Society. Otherwise all I can say is like lambs to the slaughter.train said:
